ShelledMenace Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Because it became the basis of his midscreen shit more and more as CS went on. Using sekka was cool in CS,eh in CS2 and by EX it New sekkajin at least looks quicker. ABC is limited to standing...i'm probably gonna be the only dumb fuck willing to blow 25 meter midscreen for that midscreen 5B>5C>22C~D C DP combo. I dunno, I'll be right there with you. I wish the Jin's I've been seeing weren't so frugal with their meter midscreen if they could get damage with it :c
WakeUpDP Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 For the "5B>5C>22C~D C DP combo", I'm looking forward to doing this especially when facing the corner. The enemy gets hit by a stylish combo and he gets sent the opponent to the corner. CP crouching confirms are also boring without meter, it's just 6C > 2D > j.2C > j.C > dash ABC At least it works on everyone now ;V
eQualz Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I'm curious how hard the Sekka~D > DP C is to pull off since I've never seen it done in a match. And just for the record I'm also going to be one of those dumbfucks spending meter like there's no tomorrow, lol. On another note in the Makoto vs. Jin batch: Did anyone else see the 236D > dash cancel, possibly OD only much like Ragna's 2D? There's probably still some stuff to discover I just wish we had a release date already.
Dawn of Musou Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 This is why I get too hype off Jin mirrors. Dat Yukikaze timing was sexy. Also following up 22C>D with C DP sounds like a lot of work to time correctly but will look so stylish that I'll pretty much have to use it sometimes. @eQualz, Yeah, I remember Churara using that. Got me pretty curious about its potential~
Moy_X7 Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Count me in with the "group of dumbfucks who will trade meter for damage". 3.6K mid-screen from a 5B starter with 25 Heat is too good to pass up in this game.
cadacus_ater Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I'm already training myself to burn meter in EX, lol. Have meter, will freeze.
shtkn Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 isn't that how jin works in extend? 1. play neutral > do combos that build meter 2. go for high damage setups that costs 50 meter > build 50 back if successful 3. if setup failed, goto 1. and if you play neutral well, you can capitalize pretty well with 25 meter instead.
ShelledMenace Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 isn't that how jin works in extend? 1. play neutral > do combos that build meter 2. go for high damage setups that costs 50 meter > build 50 back if successful 3. if setup failed, goto 1. and if you play neutral well, you can capitalize pretty well with 25 meter instead. No you have to do what the real Jin's do. Full screen j.236D, because it'll definitely win the match!
Moy_X7 Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 We've lost mid-screen Sekkajin, our main source of damage in EX so we have to compensate by burning meter in CP to reach and surpass our usual amount of damage from most hit-confirms. Using meter for combos in EX was more of an optional thing (IMO), burning meter would get you something like 500-800 points of extra damage. In CP, you can almost double the amount of damage from hit-confirms by using 25 Heat. In EX, I build meter so that I can use it to Guard Crush my opponent after they used up their Green Burst or to have good reversal and screen coverage/mix-up options with DP D and j.236D. I only use meter for extra damage if it's for the kill. I wear my opponent down and then overwhelm them with all the meter I've built up using my various tools. However, in CP, the damage that you get from spending meter is just too good to pass up. A 5B confirm without meter does like a little over 2K. With 25 Heat, it does around 3.6K. That's a huge damage boost for so little meter lol.
Jyosua Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Proud to be a part of the dumbfuck meter wasting army. I look at it this way: without spending our fabulous meter, we get less damage midscreen than CSE. But by spending 25 meter (which is SO easy to build for Jin), we get relatively close to corner damage, midscreen. That's too good to pass up. WAY too good. Edited February 2, 2013 by Jyosua
Jyosua Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 j.C is definitely up... there's no way those confirms could happen if it wasn't. j.B... I can only hope. XD
Dawn of Musou Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Speaking of dumbfuck meter blowing, anyone else planning on using Sekkajin followup in OD? I've seen it being used only once and it looks too sexy to not use. Waste of heat but I like style too much.
ShelledMenace Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Even sekkajin's got an alt. version in OD? Is there a link or something?..I wanna see lol. EDIT: Nvm just saw it, that's pretty cool. Like Hakumen OD yukikaze. Speaking of which, I'd really like to see someone pull that off :OOO Edited February 2, 2013 by ShelledMenace
Jourdal Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Loooool everyone willing to spend that 25 meter midscreen? We truly are Amerikan Jins. I called myself a dumb fuck because unless it'll kill or it has side swap potential (22C>D>6C when in the corner) you rarely see it midscreen which makes me . Though it's understandable why they save it...a random confirm could instead be used for a D ice car into a higher damage/corner carry combo so I can see why they conserve their meter for D musou. Then again they also burn a lot of meter on failed hizangeki attempts lol OD Sekkajin follow up in this combo by Fenrich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5ftMo40E8#t=2m30s I thought we'd never see that animation since what jin will be defensively using OD at least it's the same in Yukikaze. On another note, Ryuusei Jin is coming along nicely,no one would object to adding him to noteable jin category in video thread? He did well in Tachikawa, making finals (beating Shirushi in a mirror) but dying to Kune. Edited February 2, 2013 by Jourdal
ShelledMenace Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Thanks, somehow I didn't actually notice that when I watched the video I guess lol Also I hope there'll be some easy way to waste use 25 meter on hisshougeki combos or something and Ryuusei seems like he's adjusted pretty well to Jin, I don't see why he couldn't be part of the Jin win club. He's pretty fun to watch too.
Dawn of Musou Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I just finished watching Ryuusei. Got sad when one of his combos left Shirushi at 1 HP instead of ending the round, it looked so cool too He's a good Jin though, I like him. Always gotta be Tao or Kune to end a Jin lol.
Lucien Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) I just finished watching Ryuusei. Got sad when one of his combos left Shirushi at 1 HP instead of ending the round, it looked so cool too He's a good Jin though, I like him. Always gotta be Tao or Kune to end a Jin lol. Seems like Ryuusei just lacks knowledge of Jin vs Kune in my opinion lol. I noticed he was constantly getting baited to throw out AA 2C, and he fell for it most of the time aha. and he also became extremely hesistant to pressure when Kune had 50 meter~ Other than that though, yeah, he's pretty solid. I'd like to see how much better he becomes at that matchup over time. Edited February 4, 2013 by Lucien
Jourdal Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Jin video thread updated, Ronitta was all over urban square, Ryuusei has his own section now~
Dawn of Musou Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Seems like Ryuusei just lacks knowledge of Jin vs Kune in my opinion lol. I noticed he was constantly getting baited to throw out AA 2C, and he felled for it most of the time aha. and he also became extremely hesistant to pressure when Kune had 50 meter~ Other than that though, yeah, he's pretty solid. I'd like to see how much better he becomes at that matchup over time. Watching it again, you're right lol. With time though, he'll definitely improve. And thanks for keeping the video thread updated, Jourdal~
Skye Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Seems like Ryuusei just lacks knowledge of Jin vs Kune in my opinion lol. I noticed he was constantly getting baited to throw out AA 2C, and he felled for it most of the time aha. and he also became extremely hesistant to pressure when Kune had 50 meter~ Other than that though, yeah, he's pretty solid. I'd like to see how much better he becomes at that matchup over time. That sounds like he actually knew the match up quite well. It's a rule of thumb to persistently (attempt to) anti air Arakune. Not to mention that Arakune's only dp is his super. Seems like he was simply outplayed by someone who was more self aware of the match up than he did. Not so much he lacked knowledge, just experience. Keep in mind I didn't watch the video.
Lucien Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 That sounds like he actually knew the match up quite well. It's a rule of thumb to persistently (attempt to) anti air Arakune. Not to mention that Arakune's only dp is his super. Seems like he was simply outplayed by someone who was more self aware of the match up than he did. Not so much he lacked knowledge, just experience. Keep in mind I didn't watch the video. I agree with you, you actually said what I was thinking, I just phrased it less accurately lol. but yeah, that's basically it. He was outplayed most definitely.
Lucien Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3DTmivS-qEs#t=1743s http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HD73gTSz4UI#t=641s I noticed that Ronitta likes to go for grab/d.j2C > stuff resets after j.2C or 6D in corner; he does that a lot actually, hadn't seen many Jins doing that in CP. It makes me happy to see people still using the old gimmicks and still getting away with it (: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HD73gTSz4UI#t=543s Does Jin have any other options that can lead to a decent cross under set up in CP? Think something along the lines of throw/cross-under from CS1 (I know it's not possible in CP). Edited February 5, 2013 by Lucien
WakeUpDP Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HD73gTSz4UI#t=543s Does Jin have any other options that can lead to a decent cross under set up in CP? Think something along the lines of throw/cross-under from CS1 (I know it's not possible in CP). This is one I liked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2o84j-MARY&feature=player_detailpage#t=240s Apart from CH C DP, another cross under that was mentioned earlier in this thread is to do 3C and then delay the ice car. If they quick tech then you cross under, they don't tech: it blue beats, they roll: (most likely)they get reset by the low hitting ice car. Edit: I had the link saved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTnn0NUk-d8&feature=youtu.be&t=2m14s thx Ren Now that I think about it, there was a Jin vs tager that did sekkajin into D follow up. Crossed under, crossed over with a j.2C similar to CSE corner 214A setup but midscreen. It worked for him but it doesn't look worth it compared to sending the opponent to the corner or the setup doesn't work. All I can think of for cross under setups. Edited February 5, 2013 by WakeUpDP
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