excelence Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Does 5a got increased hitbox or Relius just have friggin huge Crouching Guard hitbox?
OmniSScythe Posted November 23, 2011 Author Posted November 23, 2011 Crouching guard hitbox, same as Ragna.
excelence Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Aww, when i thought there is something new that i can abuse orz
StarGazer Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Finally we are seeing a noteable progress in Makoto since her first day.
StarGazer Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 5CC 2D(1) > 5CC?!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGw_5QonMug&t=7m3s More matches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4_5QuHLmBA&t=1m6s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-6OjHjSuPE&t=4m22s Valkenhayn is dump :/ and so is Hazama. nothing really new in these matches (need more kuresu)
Crosell Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Yeah it seems so, sadly i hate 5cc j.b lol.
Reisi Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 I'll hate the microdashes to get 5CC to work when people are further away. But it's better damage instead of 5B, so off to training mode, I guess. You can practice that with 4B+C > 2B > 5B > 2D (1) > 665CC actually. Shouldn't be any different in CS:E than it is in CS2. Unless I'm talking nonsense, then bash me. :x
Crosell Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) I'll hate the microdashes to get 5CC to work when people are further away. But it's better damage instead of 5B, so off to training mode, I guess. You can practice that with 4B+C > 2B > 5B > 2D (1) > 665CC actually. Shouldn't be any different in CS:E than it is in CS2. Unless I'm talking nonsense, then bash me. :x Nonsense! Not really, but I'm saving any practice for when extend comes out. CSII is still alive and kicking in America so no reason to jump ship :P Ryota (MA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofuv0VojzfQ&feature=feedu Edited November 25, 2011 by Crosell
StarGazer Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 I'll hate the microdashes to get 5CC to work when people are further away. But it's better damage instead of 5B, so off to training mode, I guess. You can practice that with 4B+C > 2B > 5B > 2D (1) > 665CC actually. Shouldn't be any different in CS:E than it is in CS2. Unless I'm talking nonsense, then bash me. :x Try Omni special 2C FC > 214AA > 5CC 2D(1) > 665CC 2D(1)xN ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We lack Makoto mirror match up in CSEX which i really hate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ am liking this emoticon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
maxlinkmax Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 as i've heard so far... she has dropped from the S tier to something like C tier... ok i was expected her being nerf a bit in CSEX and drop her from S to like B or B+ so people won't call her a tier whore anymore... but c'mon man... these nerfs just a bit over... as OmniSScythe stated... she now has even more useless moves... playing her in CSEX is gonna need real char love now... which i think is kinda good cuz people won't just use her cuz of her tier... im gonna use her anyway~ too much char love lol~
Exciel Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 Eh, after seeing what Makotos can do as of late I don't care too much. As long as I can dash in 2A then I'd rather use her than any other character. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=70ZF2TioujI#t=321s Midscreen BBS combo is pretty sick, may replace PF for meter-to-corner combo. Not sure how many chances you'll get to though if it requires real precise positioning.
Kimchi Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 oh man, that bbs combo looks legit. I can see hope again! It doesn't look too situational. I'm wondering if you can hit confirm BBS into a combo after a CH j.b. Since her throw is special cancelable again, maybe throw into BBS combo? I wonder how that will prorate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Please let that be possible!
StarGazer Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 Everyone see the changes to his liking ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, a tier whore will meh and go away, oki and carry lovers will leave her, people who don't play Makoto will love the changes as she doesn't stand in there way and so on. In terms of strength she is like Ragna in CS2 i guess? am not really a one to tell as i didn't even play the game... but she is not as QQ and braindead as Ragna ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ playing her in CSEX is gonna need real char love now For me taking the QQ'ing in CS2 is way much harder than playing Makoto in CSEX xD To prove my love i'll only play with Makoto anyone with me?
OmniSScythe Posted November 25, 2011 Author Posted November 25, 2011 As long as BBS start up remains unchanged it should work on just about anything if their aerial. Heck just 5B > 6C > BBS.
Exciel Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) I assume for the furthest corner push the highest 6A BBS is required though, especially to link to 5D. 6A doing a reverse hit gives even more untechable time on BBS so that's something to keep in mind, now that BBS has more recovery too. In terms of strength she is like Ragna in CS2 i guess?Uhh.. that'd be quite a statement to make since CS2 Ragna was already really good. I think CSEX Makoto has to rely on too many gimmicks and resets to win or just the opponent defending poorly. But she definitely isn't unusable. Edited November 25, 2011 by Exciel
StarGazer Posted November 25, 2011 Posted November 25, 2011 ouch the prorate of BBS is really good. but this combo requires really a specific position and conditions to do, so i don't think we can say Makoto abare is now good for just this but it will make things much fun. Uhh.. that'd be quite a statement to make since CS2 Ragna was already really good. I think CSEX Makoto has to rely on too many gimmicks and resets to win or just the opponent defending poorly. But she definitely isn't unusable. well i guess yeah that's true.
huey253 Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 I assume for the furthest corner push the highest 6A BBS is required though, especially to link to 5D. 6A doing a reverse hit gives even more untechable time on BBS so that's something to keep in mind, now that BBS has more recovery too. Uhh.. that'd be quite a statement to make since CS2 Ragna was already really good. I think CSEX Makoto has to rely on too many gimmicks and resets to win or just the opponent defending poorly. But she definitely isn't unusable. CS2 Ragna.... really good.... i don't think so bro.
Exciel Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 He got like 2 or 3 buffs that matter making him S tier in CSEX. I don't see how he wasn't already really good other than being outclassed by better characters who would all be S tier or higher in CSEX.
Crosell Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 CS2 Ragna.... really good.... i don't think so bro. Huey, come be a fraud with me :3
StarGazer Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ZAJDIi2ZM&t=23s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K83pEaY0zY ...
OmniSScythe Posted November 26, 2011 Author Posted November 26, 2011 So about my counter pick against Tao strategy? Personally I'm using Valk against her natural predators of big cats and curious children.
Reisi Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 Honestly, seems like the Tao match-up is still retarded. In CS2, you only had to get two, maybe three good hits in and the round was done. The oki was a huge help since Tao can't get out easily without meter. We'll probably have to simply guess right and take a risk in order to get some damage in now. Or decide to block and eat pressure and therefore damage all day. Only really played one Tao more often, but it's valuable experience nonetheless. Without going for something 100% safe, you probably won't be getting far in the match, especially now that Tao outdamages Makoto. Talking about outdamaging...geez, Carl gets some great damage in the corner.
huey253 Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 He got like 2 or 3 buffs that matter making him S tier in CSEX. I don't see how he wasn't already really good other than being outclassed by better characters who would all be S tier or higher in CSEX. So... what are CS2 Ragna's good matchups? Huey, come be a fraud with me :3 i will
Fluck Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 The only buff Ragna got that matters is extra damage, but as it happens the increase in damage is large and therefore all he needs. I can see Makoto being in the same kind of situation Ragna was in during CS2, where he had damage in the right circumstances but couldn't access it often enough.
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