StarGazer Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 5B - 硬直増加、CHからのダッシュA繋ぎ削除、判定が下に広くなりダウンしてるキャラの多くを拾えるように More recovery?
kotokot Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 5B - 硬直増加、CHからのダッシュA繋ぎ削除、判定が下に広くなりダウンしてるキャラの多くを拾えるように More recovery? there already was answer tested frame adventage,5B is -5F on block lol, 2B is -1F now if i didn't it wrong) i can try translate if i'll have free time and it isn't very big. 4F longer recovery
StarGazer Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Intresting 6C Corner Combos and character specific stuffs. The bold is the orginal post. 6C>ルナスターｌｖ3>5A>6A>2D>2C>コメット>5CC>JB>JD>6A>5D>5CC>ｈｊ>JB>JC>JB>ｊｃ>JB>コロナ 4313ｄｍ 56% 6C > 214ACD > 5A > 6A > 2D > 2C > 236AD > 5CC > j.B j.D > 6A 5D > 5CC > sjc > j.B j.C j.B > j.B DP 4313damage 56%heat ジン、爺用 6C>ルナスターｌｖ3>5A>6A>2D>2C>コメット>5CC>JB>JD>5D>2B>5CC>ｈｊ>JB>JC>JB>ｊｃ>JB>コロナ 4290ｄｍ 56% For Jin and Valkenhayn? Same as the above combo but omit the 6A > 5D part + Otg in the end with 2B > 5CC Because Jin and Valk hitboxes are stupid ルナラッシュで高く上がるキャラ（ノエルとか）には 6C>ルナラッシュ>6A>～ ってできる。他のキャラでもできないことないけどね。ダメと回収は上のより若干落ちる For characters like Noel ( I guess he means the characters that accept the 6C > 214ACD Combo in CS2) 6C > 214AC Delay C > 6A > Combo ( I guess you can apply the same above combo here) 6C>ルナラッシュがすかるキャラ（プラチナ・Λ・ライチ・マコト・カルル・爺） ( I dont understand quite well what he say here, I guess he means those are the characters that you can do the 6C > 214ACC link on) The list: (Platinum, Lambda, Litchi, Makoto, Carl?, Valkenhayn) I guess you can do it on Hazama and Tager too... just guessing. ルナスター後の5A>6Aの6Aがすかるキャラ（マコト・カルル・アラクネ）これは微ダ5Aで解決するけど 214ACD > 5A > 6A doesn't work on (Carl, Makoto, Arakune)?????? スター3後の5Aがすかるキャラ（Λ・ハザマ）スターを2で当てれば5Aで拾える Λ・ハザマにスターを3で当てたいなら↓ 6C>ルナスター>2A>5CC>JB>JD>2C>2D>コメット>6A>5CC>ｈｊ>JB>JC>JB>ｊｃ>JB>コロナ 4213ｄｍ 54% I don't get this, someone translate it. Sorry for the long post
HiagoX Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) スター3後の5Aがすかるキャラ（Λ・ハザマ）スターを2で当てれば5Aで拾える Λ・ハザマにスターを3で当てたいなら↓ 6C>ルナスター>2A>5CC>JB>JD>2C>2D>コメット>6A>5CC>ｈｊ>JB>JC>JB>ｊｃ>JB>コロナ 4213ｄｍ 54% I don't get this, someone translate it. Sorry for the long post You can follow-up a Shooting Star LV2 with 5A on characters which have your 5A follow-up after Shooting Star LV3 whiff (Lambda, Hazama). If you want to hit Lambda and Hazama with a Shooting Star LV3: 6C>ルナスター>2A>5CC>JB>JD>2C>2D>コメット>6A>5CC>ｈｊ>JB>JC>J B>ｊｃ>JB>コロナ 4213ｄｍ 54% Edited January 20, 2012 by HiagoX
StarGazer Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 you mean Shooting Star? Stargazer is not a chargeable move
HiagoX Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Uh, I guess. It's been a while so my head is confused with all those names. Let me edit it.
StarGazer Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Thank you so much. Just to make sure that everyone is aware, you can't pick up Valkenhayn and Jin in their sliding animation with 5B/5C.
Bibiquadium Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 That's a good chunk of information, gonna have to try this out. Also, I won't be able to do my CMV until I get my missing part, the current setup I use for Video Capture has like 4~6 frames of input lag, almost just as bad as netplaying.
StarGazer Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 For me, I guess I can withstand 20 Frames delay with no problem lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM31jerLm6Y&t=5m38s vs Hazama
HIGEKING42 Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 God her timing on her moves felt really really bad.
Bibiquadium Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Any specific combos you guys would like me to do in my "practicle" combo video?
Eshi Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 For me, I guess I can withstand 20 Frames delay with no problem lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM31jerLm6Y&t=5m38s vs HazamaThis match kinda confirms something I've been pondering about. 5CC has no safe followups at all. Hazama kept backdashing out of 214AC even on normal block. She could have delayed the C a bit to beat it but then it loses to mashing and pretty much all followups lose to DP anyway, including nothing. I guess you could 214B/C away? meh =/
kotokot Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 you can block after 5CC or 214A~D if they are mashing. 3C could sometimes help. 214C~D is fine too. You can reset pressure using single 5C and mixing it with delayed followup. Same with 214A~C. Any specific combos you guys would like me to do in my "practicle" combo video? my current combo list(with dmg/heat), will post it when i'll finish) 5C CH>2C>2D>214A~C~B>5CC>sj.B>j.C>j.B>dj.B>623C~D 3733/29 5C CH>2C>2D>214A~C~B>5CC>PF 4613/16-50 5C CH>2D>2C>214A~C~B>5CC>sj.B>j.C>j.B>dj.B>623C~D 3735/29 (2 moar damage!) 5C CH>2C>2D>214A~C~B>5CC>j.B>j.D>5D>214A~C~B>5CC>sj.B>j.C>j.B>dj.B>623C~D 4585/46 (p2 to corner) 5C CH>2C>2D>214A~C~B>5CC>j.B>j.D>5D>214A~C~B>5CC>PF 5418/33-50 5C CH>2C>214A~A>5CC>j.B>j.D>5D>2D>236A~D>5CC>sj.B>j.C>j.B>dj.B>623C~D 4481/44(from corner changing sides) 5C CH>2C>214A~A>5CC>j.B>j.D>5D>2D>236A~D>5CC>PF 5259/31-50 6A CH>5B>6A>2D>2C>214A~A>5CC>sj.B>j.C>j.B>dj.B>623C~D 2730/29 6A CH>5B>6A>2D>2C>214A~A>5CC>PF 3489/16-50 6A>sj.B>j.C>dj.C>j.B>623A~D 1720/14 2A>5B>5CC>j.CC>5CC>214A~CCCCCC 2139/21 lol tager
Eshi Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 you can block after 5CC or 214A~D if they are mashing. 3C could sometimes help. 214C~D is fine too. You can reset pressure using single 5C and mixing it with delayed followup. Same with 214A~C.214AD carries ridiculous risk, is gimmicky and can't be followed up even if it hits without 50 meter. melee range 3C is a terrible idea. There was never a time that using lightning arrow in a block string was "fine". The first 5C is at -6, and even if you train them to not attack after it with staggered 5CC, you're still using 5CC which is the original problem. It carries a disproportionate amount of risk the moment you decide to commit to it.
Bibiquadium Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 The only good thing you can do with 214AD is PF[2] 2D 2C 214B j.B j.D into whatever.
kotokot Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 214A~D can be followed on CH, 3C beats most DPs, but yeah, its bad idea)yes, it does have risk, but 5C CH or 214A~D/214C~D reward is pretty high 3500-6000+ damage. I'm not using 214A~D, 214A~C~B without 50% heat for RC and generaly preffer reseting after 2A/5A/2B without heat.
kotokot Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Midscreen combos for 214A~D: 214A~D>PF>2D>2C>214A~C~B>5CC>sj.B>j.C>dj.B>j.C>623C~D 4525/-47+7 214A~D FC>2D>2C>214A~C~B>5CC>sj.B>j.C>dj.B>j.C>623C~D 3863/31 Midscreen to corner: 214A~D FC>2D>2C>214A~C~B>5CC>j.B>j.D>5D>214A~C~B>5CC>sj.B>j.C>dj.B>j.C>623C~D 4581/48 no PF combo because can't do PF>2D>2C>214A~C~B stable=(
ArtOfFelix Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 That is a lot of nerfs... I wonder if she is still worth playing. Oh well, time to wait for US release and tinker around with her. xD
Reisi Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Uuuugggghhhhh.... Wanted to see what I can get out of OS PF roll punish in the corner. Ended up with 5.650 damage, I hope it's simply my combo that sucks and can be extended? I've even tacked on a PF ender, but 5.6k for 100 Heat in the corner sounds really terrible. Here's the combo: 21421[4ABD](2/3/-) > [4] > 2D > 2C > 214A~D > 5CC > j.B > j.D > 6A > 5D > 66 > 5CC > j.B > j.D > 2362366D (2/3/3) Didn't check the heat gain, but due to the cooldown, I'd guess it's around 30 to 35-ish. At least I hope so. Might be because of the proration changes to PF, but this seems really low, even for CS:E Makoto standards. :/
OmniSScythe Posted January 26, 2012 Author Posted January 26, 2012 Spending 50 and getting 30-35 back isn't bad at all.
kotokot Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 Proration on PF is 75/90 now. With DP ender it would be about 4500-4800, i think it's pretty okay. 236236D at the end adds less than 1k in most cases, don't think its worth 50% if it wouldn't kill opponent. Prefer to have for better midscreen combos and having RC for mixups/DP. Heat gain would be lower, about 15, cooldown on PF(2) is 470F=(can get a bit more heat with 236A~D. That is a lot of nerfs... I wonder if she is still worth playing. Oh well, time to wait for US release and tinker around with her. xD she is okay, but weaker than other chars. The only problem is to be close to your opponent)
Eshi Posted January 26, 2012 Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) how would you OS rolls with PF? is it just like hazama's? because throwing out a 5D if they don't roll is a hell of a lot worse than hazama throwing out 5B. also, what common things does 3C still beat with its janky hitbox? All I know off the top of my head is litchi's DP. it doesn't even seem to go under lambda's 5D now. Edited January 26, 2012 by Eshi
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