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Already looked at it, I don't think the way they did it will be suitable for new players. The whole forum should aiming to help the new ppl right? Please ppl help me find a good layout for the thread :(

what about csex matchup threads?

Hmmm... I've been thinking about it, I dont like the way the match up threads is taking. Instead of forcing a way to play in the match up, lets try just to gather all the vital informations, eg: Mu 6B go over your 2A, IB Hakumen's 6B opens your way to a free punish with 665A etc...

and make it open for free discussion.

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The rest of this post is gonna be a stupid talk about tiers you have been warned.

What the latest japanese tier list say:

S: Ragna, Valkenhayn, Hakumen

A: Hazama, Taokaka, Bang, Carl, Arakune

B+: Relius, Mu, Platinum, Lambda

B: Noel, Rachel, Litchi, Jin, Tager

C: Tsubaki, Makoto

What the jbbs Players say:

She have no good match ups, only decent at her best match ups with Tsubaki, Litchi, Noel, Jin. And have a real disadvantage with a big bunch of characters: Mu, Lambda, Ragna, Valkenhayn, Carl, Tager, Hazama, Hakumen, Taokaka. the rest counts as a bad match up for her but nothing to be scared from. Makoto is not hopeless, but she is just outclassed.

Why Ragna is bad for her?

Simply, he is just a better version of Makoto.

Why Platnium isn't good for Makoto?

The buff of Platinum's j.C and 5B was just what Platinum needed to beat Makoto.

What about Relius?

He looks kinda bad for Makoto, but with 5A fuzzy and Relius specific Combos it will be hopefully a fair match up.

What do I say?:

I dont have the game yet ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

With that said you must remember

- that you need to play at a Japanese level for the list to work, I know 99% of Makoto players here doesn't use the Orb oki, PF Combos, neither exploting her Good mix ups, they shouldin't be afraid of anything then xD, unless they are used to faceroll every blockstring into 2C into easy 5K combo or eclipse turn as the only mix up she have... they better pack their bags from now.

- while the nerfs might looks a lot, Makoto still retain a lot of things, she was never running like a mad landing 2A easily and confirm it into 4K, her juggles didn't dish out 4K too, it was a mere 2500, 2C and 236AD were leading to 4~5K and they still do in EX. if you did good in CS2, you will still do good in EX don't worry

- If you are leaving Makoto in CSEX then you are a tier whore, If you have just started playing Makoto in CSEX then you are a low tier whore. which is okay to be, I just don't want to see everybody leaving his beloved character for a mere tier.

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Let's just say that to win your matches, you really gotta give you 99.9%

The thing that shouldn't have changed overall is the ability to do 5B 5CC 6B(2B) C and the 6B force crouch. Especially when most of your potential midscreen combos startups have a Star Gazer in it.

Also, an *optimal* combo if you hit confirm a j.C near a wall :

j.C 5CC 5D 2D 2C 236A 5D 5CC j.B j.D 66 5CC j.CB j.CC DP (4616 DMG)

j.C 5CC 5D 2D 2C 236A 5D 5CC j.B j.D 66 5CC j.B j.D 66 PF (5467 DMG)

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S Tier Hakumen

what the fuck

also IBing 6B doesnt get you a free punish, he can still gatling into counter

mind games

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Didn't notice the gatling. Thx a lot *kiss*

But I swear every 6B IB against my friend's haku was a free counter. He is really good so I didn't thought he will miss this

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Hmm, I'll test it out.

Yup, you can get the counter out in time.

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What the jbbs Players say:

She have no good match ups, only decent at her best match ups with Tsubaki, Litchi, Noel, Jin.

I'm okay with this, either way I haven't let a mere grouping of words dictate who I play and this won't be a first.

S Tier Hakumen

what the fuck

Accept it!

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I'm okay with this, either way I haven't let a mere grouping of words dictate who I play and this won't be a first.

(random text here because there's nothing else that has to be said)

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They don't use ball oki because overhead is so slow and if blocked it will be a waste of a move in the corner. Also they can mash once it's gone. That's why i was asking how much of a frame advantage does orb oki have.

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The real reason they don't use 6b -> orb oki ender is because any reversal will beat it clean on reaction (counter hit too).

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The real reason they don't use 6b -> orb oki ender is because any reversal will beat it clean on reaction (counter hit too).

also a delayed roll tech will get them out of the corner for free.

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Comet have now more recovery so maybe its 5+ on block now instead of 10+, and with the lose of Lightning Arrow knockdown Makoto Oki will never be the same.

People with EX Copy, 5B have now more Recovery? come on I really need to know this :(

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^ This.

I wish he frame trap RC 5B'd after star gazer but getting burst baited probably got to him.

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After that Tager match I'm pretty sure everyone knows how he got his highest damage in a match now. lol

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My god the hype, first time I get this hyped over a video (watch it on nico for better FPS)

Come on Goro won Tachikawa using the weakest character in the game, where is the hype :(

Thats it am gonna make my Makoto cheering group.

Also yeah, if Akira falls to that Combo > Purple Throw > PF then its legit.

Edit: Ragna 2B Oki is unbeatable even with PF wavedash.

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