abadlime Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 ggs mAc probably should've said this after our session ended ggs Ctrl, Puppet, and Sphinx (i dont think we played though)
AchedSphinx Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Nah we didn't. I think I'm going to have to training mode or something with Lambda. I'm pretty bad now haha. She needs to trade in her sword wings for a rapier. I hear they're having a two-for-one special. At this rate I'm going to be an embarrassment when BBCP goes live. I have a lot of work to do!
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) No. I'm starving and trying to figure out what you're planning but it's never consistent so i'm freestyling a little. Playing Ctrl will make you hungry. It's part of his strategy. ggs mAc It's just implied at this point. :P As for 6B and Hotaru, 6B is -4 on block normally, but I can cancel it into a counter. So if I 6B and I try to poke, you will hit me if you did something first. But if I counter instead, you eat the counter. Although if you IB the second hit you should be able to hit me with like a 2A or something before I have a chance to counter. Hotaru is safe even if you IB, at least if I jump cancel, but if you IB it and I just try to land and continue pressure you should be able to hit me. I have to test it though, there's no frame data for how + on block it is. Edited February 5, 2013 by mAc Chaos
abadlime Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 As for 6B and Hotaru, 6B is -4 on block normally, but I can cancel it into a counter. So if I 6B and I try to poke, you will hit me if you did something first. But if I counter instead, you eat the counter. Although if you IB the second hit you should be able to hit me with like a 2A or something before I have a chance to counter. Hotaru is safe even if you IB, at least if I jump cancel, but if you IB it and I just try to land and continue pressure you should be able to hit me. I have to test it though, there's no frame data for how + on block it is. I must be timing this all wrong then because i eat 3c instead after 6b...alot. I'll probably have to check this out as well. With hazama, i was able to 2a the moment you landed, but with tsubaki, i had issues even with IB.
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Well, it depends how close I do it. Sometimes you need to run forward a bit to hit me, and that takes time. Also it depends how fast the move you are using is.
abadlime Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 wait hotaru? or 6b? If hotaru, then i guess hazama just has a farther 2a. 6b, probably.
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 6B. I'm gonna test Hotaru out when I get home.
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Well. This is weird. I can even do 2A after and get a CH. No wonder I never expected it. :P I wonder why it wasn't working in our matches. Maybe a slight degree of lag made a delay or something. Haku 5A is 5 frames. I had time to do Hotaru and land the 5A before Tsubaki's 5A hit me. Her 5A is also 6 frames... But on IB, she can get the 5A out first. So I think that means Hotaru is +2? At least, it's +2 if Hotaru gets blocked and then you let yourself fall back to the ground and block or do something else. How many frames does IB shave off again. 2 or 3. And the move Tsubaki lets me land and do 5A and score a CH against her 5A even on IB. Edited February 5, 2013 by mAc Chaos
abadlime Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) 3 iirc. Though when i played tsubaki, i was more concerned with you naked grabbing me and everytime i went for barrier IB, i got grabbed instead. With hazama, i just IBed without the barrier and reacted to grabs. I would think Tsubaki (the move) would be less safe than hotaru though. So i guess even with IB, i should be more careful because her 5a range isn't the best and i'd have to dash in a bit. Edited February 5, 2013 by abadlime
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 His Tsubaki is definitely safe. It has a lot of stun. I'm trying to 2A with Hazama after IBing Hotaru and I can't beat Haku's 2A after it. Doesn't make sense. I must be doing it wrong. I'm IBing and hitting his 2A as much as I can.
abadlime Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Damn. The whole time i thought Tsubaki would give a moment to push a little on block. Must be safe then... Note to self: don't press buttons after hotaru/tsubaki
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 It even pushes Hakumen far enough away that your fastest moves, 5A, will whiff, putting you in perfect 2A range. It looks like those wouldn't make it out in time anyway though.
AchedSphinx Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 I thought one of them was unsafe on block this entire time. Back to the drawing board.
Mucky Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 yeah well if you're tager you can just IB tsubaki and 720 him kind of surprised that hotaru has less frame advantage than tsubaki though
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Well, you can do a million things after Hotaru. Jump cancel, counter, cancel into Tsubaki, etc. And the move itself is invincible. With Tsubaki you just land.
abadlime Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Damn corner mix up. Since FE didn't come in today, i'm gonna have to test many things.
AchedSphinx Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Damn corner mix up. Since FE didn't come in today, i'm gonna have to test many things. FE as in Fire Emblem or something random that I happen to be curious about.
Goldchampion200 Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (tries to troll nemy with a purple grab) (forgets nemy Absolutely despises purple grabs in lag) (nemy gets mad and Goldy feels horrible afterwards) sorry nemy (for like the 3 time) ggs randoms and nemy
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 You know, you'd think normal green grabs would be worse in lag. For some reason everybody objects to the purple ones.
E3vE3 WAZ HEA Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 You know, you'd think normal green grabs would be worse in lag. For some reason everybody objects to the purple ones. when you get grabbed as much as i do, you really don't see a difference between the two. Edit: When you can't tech grabs like i can't you really don't see the difference between the two
Putin Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Most people yomi green throws, but you have to react to purple ones so netplay mostly affects the latter
Lord Pwnge18 Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 You know, you'd think normal green grabs would be worse in lag. For some reason everybody objects to the purple ones. The difference being purple throws are for fagets.
toanenadiz Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 You know, you'd think normal green grabs would be worse in lag. For some reason everybody objects to the purple ones. They are. Your spam of them is one of the reasons why you are deemed the scumbag sword.
mAc Chaos Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Except I don't play in lag. :P Minimal delay ~> WE OUT also:
Errol Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 They are. Your spam of them is one of the reasons why you are deemed the scumbag sword. Hater
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