milesw Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Nah G, my main man Relius. Soooo erm how does one deal with otousan?
YukiBlue Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Soooo erm how does one deal with otousan?Well. Relius is "Blessed" with hands down some of the worst normals in the entire history of FG's. Near enough all of his buttons suck. So...Press yours. And don't get knocked down in the corner.
Chazmobile Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Soooo erm how does one deal with otousan? Well, as I said, I feel that the Makoto is a favourable matchup for Relius having played a good few very solid Makotos (you included) as his usable normals, 5b and 2b, far outclass her in the footsie game. This means he can keep her out quite easily as well as completely bully her during a blockstring as 5b will catch jump-outs as well as be at the right range to CH mash attempts due to Makoto's stubby limbs. Once Relius gets Ignis out you will most likely be forced to block for a good few seconds. Whilst this can get pretty stressful, you actually don't have much to fear as his mix-up is really really bad. He has two lows, 2b and 3c as well as one overhead, 6a, which is incredibly slow and telegraphed. Learn to react to the overhead and his pressure will be a lot less scary. Also, try not to jump out as Ignis 6d will still hold you in place or you will get caught by 5b and comboed into knockdown, which is how I beat you in the second match. The most important thing to do under Relius pressure is to make sure not to hit buttons and to react to the overhead and throws, rather than anticipate them. All of his normals have good p1s and thus go into good damage anywhere on the screen if he has the Ignis gauge to do it. Now what you want to do is make sure you get him blocking and keep him there, his fastest normal that hits crouching is a 7 frame 2a, so he cannot mash out of pressure easily at all. Believe me when I say he is free as fuck on knockdown without 50 bar to counter assault. You also want to be in his face at all times to punish Ignis summons and stop him from getting her onto the field. Unfortunately, in this matchup I feel that Relius J.b actually acts as a decent air to air due to Makoto's stubby normals so the air game is a lot safer for him as well. Another thing to note is that Ignis has very low life, so I will have to back off eventually to regen Ignis and get her out again, this is you chance to close some distance but I can still bully Makoto with 5b due to it's range and then cancel into Lanto or Ignis summon>pressure. Honestly, it would be much easier to explain what to do in person and in games but I won't be at AH next week due to exams.
Kujikawa Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 *snip* What's his unblockable set-ups and ways around them? I'm assuming there corner-only.
Chazmobile Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 What's his unblockable set-ups and ways around them? I'm assuming there corner-only. Tech right
Kujikawa Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 New Dustloop tier list has arrived if anyone has seen it: S Rank: Ragna, Taokaka, Arakune, Hakumen, Valkenhayn A Rank: Bang, Carl, Lambda, Hazama, Mu, A- Rank: Noel, Rachel, Litchi, Platinum, Relius B Rank: Jin, Tager, Tsubaki, Makoto I pretty much believe everything. FYI, there is no order for the characters.
Kujikawa Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I don't care how much you bitch, Jin is worse then Relius.
Chazmobile Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 He still shouldn't be in A- with how he loses to over half the cast
EXonestar Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Tech right and don't press too many buttons lol Chaz hates that xD
HexaNoid Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 So does Platinum/Litchi/Rachel/Noel... I dunno, dude. I can't really speak for the other three, but I know for a fact that Noel doesn't lose to over half the cast.
Chazmobile Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I can tell you for sure that Rachel doesn't, and I'm pretty sure Litchi doesn't either (waits for clarification from Zak)
TD Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 rachel definitely does not lost to half the cast or even 1/3. in fact, imo her worst (not necessarily bad) matchups would be hakumen, hazama, possibly relius, and she goes mostly even with the rest, even the top tier. pumpkin is still a very, very good projectile for what it does, and her old bad matchups are gone (litchi, mu, lambda especially litchi) due to system changes/matchup development. oh hi uk players. just came in here to check that tier list and now i'm posting >.<
EXonestar Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I can tell you for sure that Rachel doesn't, and I'm pretty sure Litchi doesn't either (waits for clarification from Zak) Litchii n Rachel - have the tools to deal with any matchup Not saying we DON'T have bad matchup's just we have a "chance" to do something o_o rachel definitely does not lost to half the cast or even 1/3. in fact, imo her worst (not necessarily bad) matchups would be hakumen, hazama, possibly relius, and she goes mostly even with the rest, even the top tier. pumpkin is still a very, very good projectile for what it does, and her old bad matchups are gone (litchi, mu, lambda especially litchi) due to system changes/matchup development. oh hi uk players. just came in here to check that tier list and now i'm posting >.< Hi TD ;D !
Chazmobile Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 So yeah, I think the correct words would be, get blown the fuck up Jordan. :3
Kujikawa Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) *Gets blown up* Tbh, Platinum doesn't lose to over half the cast either. From what your saying, Relius shouldn't be A at all. Edited May 24, 2012 by Kujikawa
Yggjrasil Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 She only loses to the S tier characters pretty badly. Anyone below her, she bodies them for free.
Kujikawa Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 She only loses to the S tier characters pretty badly. Anyone below her, she bodies them for free. She goes even with a lot of the cast as well. Which makes me wonder about the Plat vs. Relius match-up. Even?
Yggjrasil Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 That match-up is as even as it gets. Interesting fact, Plat can Air Persia through Ignis.
-Seo Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 From what your saying, Relius shouldn't be A at all. From that list, I'd personally swap Relius with Tager.
Chazmobile Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 From that list, I'd personally swap Relius with Tager. I agree with this.
Kujikawa Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 That match-up is as even as it gets. Interesting fact, Plat can Air Persia through Ignis. That's really interesting actually, is it the same for Nirvana? Chaz, we need to play soon.
EXonestar Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 That's really interesting actually, is it the same for Nirvana? Chaz, we need to play soon. Invite Me =O ! (when the time comes xD)
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