psycofang2 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Why would Hakumen's be hard to land? I mean in the sense that you are actually trying to land it to begin with, so ignoring his need to use magatama to function as a character. because obviously the blinking makes the enemy do a long block string giving us time to AF. always. its hypnotism yo. its not like the flashing lights are warning them at all. l just saw haku's asstroll today shit is not hard to land Couldn't you just do it on reaction to things defensively? Like you're holding downback blocking and they do an overhead, you react and now they are dead. In my head I'm just imagining it being used just like all his other drives would already, except it is universal outside of projectiles of course. I mean I'm not saying it's like Ragna's easy to land, just that I don't think it would be that hard to land generally speaking. no. when you see a blinking flashing haku waiting to AF you what would YOU do? would you "lol run right to it and mash bang strings" or would you at least attept to fake it out by whiffing moves and just being random in general to make them scared to do it. you can land it, vs someone with no common sense, or knowledge on how his astral works, carl, relius, hueuehurrderp.
BatousaiJ Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 I didn't say it was impossible. I just said it was the hardest along with Carl. That's a relative statement. If you're going to say it's easier then you need somebody to compare it to. I would say Haku's astral is about as hard to land along with Bang, Rachel meaning it's a bit of a pain but not that hard. I would put Carl's wayyyyyyy above everyone's in the game in difficulty to land. Litchi and Ara are also tough. Can you combo into astral with Litchi? I haven't seen it if she can anyway. The astral is really obvious because she has to be stationary on her staff and all you have to do is just block(cross over thing is no biggy). Lamchops has a lot of tech traps for her astral and it comes out fast enough to be easy to land, Tao can combo into hers I think. Jin's is easy again(one of the hardest to land in CS 2 IMO). Tsubaki gets free astral off basically any grounded hit as long as she has the meter(her meter gain sucks). Tager, Ragna, Noel, Mu, Valk all also have easy setups leading into astral too.
floatwater Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Ya'll getting to technical with it, if you really want to get someone you have two options 1) Continue to be aggresive as fuck and force them to press a button OR 2) Just block random strings and mid string use it.
psycofang2 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 you actually run up to a blinking full metered haku and press a button?
TD Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 litchi's is easy, any combo that has her do ippatsu a she can just press d and the astral will connect. it's really fast too, you can punish certain thing if you pre-emptively jump on the staff
mAc Chaos Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 I would say Haku's astral is about as hard to land along with Bang, Rachel meaning it's a bit of a pain but not that hard. I would put Carl's wayyyyyyy above everyone's in the game in difficulty to land. Litchi and Ara are also tough. Can you combo into astral with Litchi? I haven't seen it if she can anyway. The astral is really obvious because she has to be stationary on her staff and all you have to do is just block(cross over thing is no biggy). Lamchops has a lot of tech traps for her astral and it comes out fast enough to be easy to land, Tao can combo into hers I think. Jin's is easy again(one of the hardest to land in CS 2 IMO). Tsubaki gets free astral off basically any grounded hit as long as she has the meter(her meter gain sucks). Tager, Ragna, Noel, Mu, Valk all also have easy setups leading into astral too. I'm pretty sure you can combo into Litchi's, but dunno about Extend. Bang's at least, is an attack and is unblockable, isn't it? So it doesn't matter if they're trying to bait it or anything. Also, isn't it a parry? So if they attack, they get raped anyway. If they block, they're fucked. They just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and it's over, like with Lambda's. With Haku's, if they do nothing they win. Pretty much everyone can combo into theirs except Hakumen, Arakune (?), Carl and Rachel. Actually I'm not sure if Rachel can't, but hers is easier to land with the wind and armor shenanigans.
TD Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) l don't know how easy haku's is lol. l don't read about astrals l just happened to see it today. edit: rachel's is really hard to land outside of corner oki with george, pumpkin and at least two wind. midscreen or outside a setup its pretty much impossible. wind barely moves the foe unless theyre in the air. just keep backdashing Edited July 17, 2012 by TD
mAc Chaos Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Also, wait. Bang can combo into his can't he. :P > hard to land Only execution wise.
zeth07 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 I'm pretty sure you can combo into Litchi's, but dunno about Extend. Bang's at least, is an attack and is unblockable, isn't it? So it doesn't matter if they're trying to bait it or anything. Also, isn't it a parry? So if they attack, they get raped anyway. If they block, they're fucked. They just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and it's over, like with Lambda's. With Haku's, if they do nothing they win. Pretty much everyone can combo into theirs except Hakumen, Arakune (?), Carl and Rachel. Actually I'm not sure if Rachel can't, but hers is easier to land with the wind and armor shenanigans. Bang's is stupidly hard to "combo" into to the point that you might as well not even count it like that, which also goes into the whole being obvious with it thing you were talking about. When he could combo into it off a throw in the corner, that was amazing, but no more....so sad. But anyways I wouldn't put Hakumen's on the hard to land list compared to some other characters. Everybody likes tier list, so Hakumen's Astral I'll say is like mid-tier, lol.
psycofang2 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) I'm pretty sure you can combo into Litchi's, but dunno about Extend. Bang's at least, is an attack and is unblockable, isn't it? So it doesn't matter if they're trying to bait it or anything. Also, isn't it a parry? So if they attack, they get raped anyway. If they block, they're fucked. They just have to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and it's over, like with Lambda's. With Haku's, if they do nothing they win. Pretty much everyone can combo into theirs except Hakumen, Arakune (?), Carl and Rachel. Actually I'm not sure if Rachel can't, but hers is easier to land with the wind and armor shenanigans. i honestly say the hardest to land while having useful abilities to do so bangs and rachels. rachel trw them into the corner wth a wind aided 6CC into astral. ive seen it almost too often. bangs is an attack, unblockable and it auto guards, and i think it also teleports but im not sure. can be comboed into but its always been situational. its still dangerous. hakus astral is the same as baiting yukikaze. honestly the hardest to land in the game is carls, arakune, hakus barely makes it but its just tediuos to make them hit buttons vs someone with that thing...ya know...common sense. Edited July 17, 2012 by psycofang2
mAc Chaos Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Carl Hakumen Rachel Everyone else Done! Not sure where to put Arakune. Also, I think they changed it's properties. It used to be if it touched you at all, you were dead. But the last time I played with Skye, I think it just guard broke me and I managed to walk away from it.
Starlight777 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 you actually run up to a blinking full metered haku and press a button? I thought I could grab him.
toanenadiz Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 But I never astral. :P If you're paying attention to the pace of the match though, you should be able to tell when they want to go for it. Like, if you're playing Ragna and want to astral, you just keep doing what you're doing and throw an astral at the end of your combo. Not much changes. If you're Hakumen, you have to avoid following up our combos to keep the 8 stars, and you're going to want them to come to you, so you'll suddenly start playing more defensively. That's their cue to try and bait it. You had 8 stars quite a few times in our matches though.
mAc Chaos Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 You had 8 stars quite a few times in our matches though. It's pointless to do it against Lambda since you'll just D me from across the stage and your astral is instant so I can't even react to that. I just generally don't astral though.
Chazmobile Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Relius' is incredibly easy to land. One of the easiest in the game. Any hit>3c>Astral (You can hitconfirm with Ignis 6d too ) Any hit>6b>Astral Throw>Astral In the corner you can Id Lauger>Haas>6c>Astral The list goes on.....
toanenadiz Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 It's pointless to do it against Lambda since you'll just D me from across the stage and your astral is instant so I can't even react to that. I just generally don't astral though. And yet, you have astral'd my astral attempt before.
mAc Chaos Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 (edited) Haha, that was yomi. I knew you like astrals, so I put an astral in your astral. Why do I remember that exact match that you're talking about. I remember raging so hard every time I tried to astral your astral only to get owned, until I realized that it wasn't my execution that was at fault. Edited July 17, 2012 by mAc Chaos
Starlight777 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 Relius' is incredibly easy to land. One of the easiest in the game. Any hit>3c>Astral (You can hitconfirm with Ignis 6d too ) Any hit>6b>Astral Throw>Astral In the corner you can Id Lauger>Haas>6c>Astral The list goes on..... I mashed it and caught Moy with it.
TD Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 lol babel rising is the most fun game l played in a long, long time. kneel before the Gods or die!! and the babylonians have chosen to die. *chuckles* i'm happy to oblige...
Zeron_X25 Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 I mashed it and caught Moy with it. Who was Moy playing? Arakune or some shit?
toanenadiz Posted July 17, 2012 Posted July 17, 2012 I would think Moy would be one of the easiest people to land an astral on due to his passiveness and wanting to be as safe as possible.
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