[CSE] PSN Match Finder/GG Thread

[Bibiquadium]

Makoto is just an entirely fundamental based character, without them you will most likely stay behind but extremely scary when put into good hands. (Oh well lulz its liek dat wif evri charz) Not really, there are some really fraudulent chars that requires little to no efforts to get results.

[toanenadiz]

I played him a lot in CT. I'm not sure if he still plays. Haven't heard from anyone I played CT with in forever.

So your viewpoint on Lambda is based on CT Nu and you think that CT Nu could only beat bad players?

[psycofang2]

I will consider every character right now:

Ragna: Stuff

you are blowing the mindset out of order, you are only looking at the beginning and end result and not the inbetween. how do they gain that type of insight and use of their tools? experience, losing, winning, draws, out right killing someone and getting stomped by someone better.

Jin: I've put a couple hours into Jin

thats not alot of time to learn much, advanced techniques are only advanced when you are learning them, once you get used to these "Advanced" techniques they become simple and second nature

Hazama: probably above my execution level. I don't like hop characters, either. Character seems to be made for beating up bad players.

Id seriously disagree with this "Bad players" statement but im sure itll fall on deaf ears.

Tager: Same.

Same

Noel: Fraud character, rewarded for bad behavior because she otherwise doesn't have to play the game - what will that teach me? Really?

A bias part of me agrees but a logical part of me disagrees, her tools are arguably stupid for what they have and what they do but who has won a serious match between 2 competent players by simply D mashing?

Mu - Fraud character.

Ok no argument

Hakumen - Doesn't have to play the actual game.

again id disagree, you are actually a perfect example as to why hakumen is so powerful. Fear. blwoing your fear out of proportion in comparison to the actual danger.

Arakune - Same.

He actually requires a good run away game until he can set you up, if his plan turn on him hell be losing half his health to practically everyone, his only way out if a risky 50/50 super that can make things much worse if called out. the combos he does requires a bit of negative edging as well something most characters dont do or even need

Tao - Also above my execution level. She has to play the game but like good Bangs, good Tao players actually look like they aren't playing the game at all. It's kinda silly looking.

I dont think you could play tao

Bang - I tried learning CT bang but never got far. I like Bang because he doesn't have a DP

thats just stupid, how does any bang player get good? they play people their own skill level. you only play people who have greater knowlege or greater maych up experience than your own. this is not going to help you.

Platinum - Gimmicky. I don't like her character design, either. I wouldn't play her unless I put a paper bag over my head and learned a whole lot of stuff from Moy and Xie for a long time.

...

Valk - The best character in the game that no one plays. I don't think I could protect myself well enough on Valk to make use of his mobility and offense. It'll be years before I understand his normals and specials and get the mixup, spacing and neutral necessary to win.

now you are repeating yourself.

Rachel - I really respect this character but I need to think more about the inventory of skill sets you need to succeed with her - I don't think I fit the archetype or skill set.

a valid argument, i understand your point, shes just not for you

Carl - Too flighty for Carl - requires probably as many situations and as many if not more execution than Litchi, but Carl is much more flexible and consistently rewarding because he comes with his own corner.

ok so is this a yay or ney?

Lambda - I can't help thinking Lambda is a character for beating up bad players,

there you go mashing your bad experiences with a character then blowing it out of proportions again. stop that.

Relius - Why play a character that you guys say is "a bad version of Litchi".? For real - I never see any good reliuses so it's probable I won't see any success unless I really master the character beyond 90% of the BB community.

IMHO hes not a "bad litchi" hes his own character with his own unique set of tools that are quite useful, you want to see a decent Relius go play NeoGio or someone of that level.

Makoto - Only reason I would play her is because she has to get in and is most dangerous staying in. If only everyone didn't consider her a trash character and a free win. I'd have to be as good as Omni - TBH not the best example of behavior to draw from.

you are REALLY going to let other peoples opinions of a character stop you from playing said character. really?

Tsubaki - If she had better tools and more streamlined move set I'd give her another chance. I like her character but you have to have excellent fundamentals to not be free as fuck. I'd rather wait for a future version.

im not even going to try

Izayoi - Since I'm just running through characters...I don't know what to think of her yet. I don't watch vids of her. I'm interested, since I dig Lawful Good something hard. (*also, screaming EKUSUU KARIBAAAAAAAAA at tourneys)

Azreal - Not really interested in Slayer, so not really in Azreal.

Amane - Not really doing it for me.

yeah

[Star-Demon]

you are REALLY going to let other peoples opinions of a character stop you from playing said character. really?

Says the person that is telling me to stop playing my character - a character that I really like.

I'm trying not to Yay or Nay anything - I just said what I thought it was going to take to switch to those characters. I pretty much listed the price I have to pay, from my POV...

[psycofang2]

Says the person that is telling me to stop playing my character - a character that I really like.

I'm trying not to Yay or Nay anything - I just said what I thought it was going to take to switch to those characters. I pretty much listed the price I have to pay, from my POV...

then if you love this character, and you enjoy playing this character why is your behavior contradicting that mindset.

theres something about you thats just wrong when you play this character, you end your combos far too early, you quit when you lose (or plain give up and stop trying), you complain on the boards, make things seem more impossible than they are, refuse to change your fighting style, refuse to basically adapt, refuse to get better, there are some litchi combos who havent even played as long as you and are further along.

2 years is along time star, each and every time ive played you not alot btw just in spans of time) even with jin, ragna or hakumen your behavior and style stays the same.

i say drop litchi simply because you need a break from a character thats causing you to self destruct.

but you wont do that, refuse to learn from another character perspective, so instead you continue to poison yourself. i really dont see why.

when i wasnt doing well with hakumen i took a break and learned ragna and jin to a sup par level, then lambda then litchi to understand those characters.

i took what i learned from them and out it to hakumen, im much better than i was and still need to learn more. our learning is most likely not the same but i can see when something is just not going to work without adding something fresh to the mix.

[Star-Demon]

I'm sorry to have derailed GGs thread, but I really don't have anywhere else to discuss this, since no one will discuss anything with me and we're already on it. I'll re-rail myself after this, we can continue in PM or some other forum:

Litchi - Very creative, multifaceted and flexible character - can accommodate many styles, has the most room for creativity and is very deep and useful. I like pretty much everything about her, and even though Extend is very close to CT difficulty I'm starting to like/appreciate it. Among a lot of problems, everyone seems to waver between saying she is hard and saying she is easy, and a lot of opinions about her are conflicting - I don't know who I should believe or where the truth lies. There is not sufficient discussion over what skills need to be drilled or what prerequisites are needed for anyone to develop themselves as a player. There's no list and no plan. There are just bad litchis and good litchis, and Litchis in general are expected to always be very good.

What's frustrating to me is that - if i were to prod them for - the reasons people want me to quit Litchi would automatically disqualify me from learning any other character. Saying I should change implies that they think I have the skills to take elsewhere, but the way I'm talked about seems to say I should just quit FGs altogether because I'm not suited to play FGs period. When I see that I take my training as a challenge to not be defeated by the community. When people can clearly identify my own strengths and weaknesses without hyperbole or cliche and then help me form an actionable plan, I would have a better map to learn my own character and would stick to it. I have no actionable plan anymore, and I've been taking time to form one amidst a lot of both vocal and silent negativity.

Just once - I'd love to see a person be like "You can master this character, and here's how we're going to do it." I'd do that shit without question of comment.

Okay, I'm done - Anything else PM me - I want serious and meaningful conversations and less FGC hyperbole, because it's only confusing me and only results in me having meltdowns. I don't want to do that anymore. I'm trying to do right by being unbanned and working on myself to stay unbanned.

[EXonestar]

Says the person that is telling me to stop playing my character - a character that I really like.

I'm trying not to Yay or Nay anything - I just said what I thought it was going to take to switch to those characters. I pretty much listed the price I have to pay, from my POV...

Just go with the flow.....Use who you want. if you can't use em yet. maybe after using another character u'll gradually get better at ur fundamentals and if you go back to ur initial character, u'll might not feel the difficulty.

I know someone who couldn't start BB with rachel , played around with the whole roster , settled with Hazama and Hakumen - thought "why not go back to rachel"

He settled with her Better than he did b4.

Not saying that'll work with everyone but...idk....its up to you in the end....I just mash buttons ... meh... Fundamentals + practice .. you can do it man.

[susano]

Says the person that is telling me to stop playing my character - a character that I really like.

I'm trying not to Yay or Nay anything - I just said what I thought it was going to take to switch to those characters. I pretty much listed the price I have to pay, from my POV...

...I think either Tsubaki or Jin is good for you Star. They're easy and don't allow you to self-destruct. Then you can move on to Bang.

Psyc is trying to help you, just like he's helping me vs. Hakumen.

(we need to play more psyc- I want to get better with my zoning. I'm too fragile atm. )

Just once - I'd love to see a person be like "You can master this character, and here's how we're going to do it." I'd do that shit without question of comment.

But you had people who were telling you how to master her.

[EXonestar]

...I think either Tsubaki or Jin is good for you Star. They're easy and don't allow you to self-destruct. Then you can move on to Bang.

Psyc is trying to help you, just like he's helping me vs. Hakumen.

(we need to play more psyc- I want to get better with my zoning. I'm too fragile atm )

Keep in mind , Tsu is easy to use but....keep in mind her matchups are kinda ;o idk.....he may have a hard time managing charges/her lack of decent mix-up without install gauge - idk....i'm just talking from experience. Tsubaki is sexy but Yo'Gota Get'That Work O,o

[susano]

Keep in mind , Tsu is easy to use but....keep in mind her matchups are kinda ;o idk.....he may have a hard time managing charges/her lack of decent mix-up without install gauge - idk....i'm just talking from experience. Tsubaki is sexy but Yo'Gota Get'That Work O,o

Well, my second choice would be Jin. He's not too hard to start off with.

[Dreiko]

Watching you play Bang is like a step in the past. You're basically doing stuff that was what he could do in CT and Bang was really limited in CT. You need to expand your options a whole lot.

Any D counter hit you get, you can confirm. 6D counter can be picked up with 2B or 5C and depending on screen placement you can do a hell of a lot of damage. 5C>6D combos only on airborn foes, not on standing/crouching ones unless you have a 5C fatal starter, don't autopilot into it since it lets people mash through your combos. Do 5C>2c instead. Also, get used to confirming normal hit 6Ds with 623B when near the corner. That's a 4K combo starter there which you miss out on. Lastly, you don't use A and B nails to space stuff out at all. They're great tools to control space with and make you glide which allows you to land faster from jump and stuff. D nails rule but you should use other nails too. Finally, for tager, if you yomi a grab just JD. You'll get a counter and a decent combo off of it too.

Oh and Valk is my main sub, I think I used him a bit last time we played. People got astralled a lot. XD

Edited February 13, 2013 by Dreiko

[Kiba]

...I think either Tsubaki or Jin is good for you Star. They're easy and don't allow you to self-destruct. Then you can move on to Bang.

Tsubaki is easy to learn and very difficult to use. You're essentially telling Star to use a character who's pressure and mixup is FAR more weaker than Litchi's, and who's damage is inconsistent because she relies on stock. I think Star would be getting more stressed out if he was using her. I'm not here to babble on about how Tsubaki is bad or whatever, but I'm providing the sugar coating.

Believe me when I say this. I mained her in CS1...

Edited February 13, 2013 by Kiba

[kirbster]

lol Star it looks like you and BB share an unhealthy, even toxic relationship, kind of like a gf who sucks the life out of you

You might have to consider breaking up with BB for your own good. Sometimes things don't work out

[psycofang2]

Just once - I'd love to see a person be like "You can master this character, and here's how we're going to do it." I'd do that shit without question of comment. .

but there have been people who have already done that.

look star, ask me anytime and ill always be willing to help you get better and quite a few people here know that.

except toan, because toan is a meanie face.

if you want to learn how to fight hakumen ask me, i can give you pointers on what to do, but in the end the result relys on your own ability.

[EXonestar]

Jin is good for you Star. They're easy and don't allow you to self-destruct. Then you can move on to Bang.

Also in terms of "don't allow you to self destruct" .... I Wish that type of character existed lol.

lol Star it looks like you and BB share an unhealthy, even toxic relationship, kind of like a gf who sucks the life out of you

You might have to consider breaking up with BB for your own good. Sometimes things don't work out

That harsh break up =/ - i would say give him time but it has been ..a long time...

[Fujiwara]

But I've given Star an actionable plan. It's the same plan I give everyone. Work on one thing at a time. Spacing, hitconfirming, anti-airing, varying mix-ups. :v Yesterday, I told you that the best way to improve is play people whom are better than you or have a lot of insight about the game and let them tell you what you're doing wrong and you work on that. You told me "This is anime, everyone wants to keep things a secret."

Akira shiro was sitting there literally in your ear giving you advice the entire time. Why not just ask him questions?

You're looking for a gameplan? You're trying to get fucking good overnight. You don't want a gameplan, you want a cheatsheet. That's not how it works.

The GG's thread can't be you therapist Star, we've all tried helping you and we still are. You help yourself, bro. Something is irritating the shit outta you and I don't think it's just litchi and BB. You gotta be a fucking masochist or something if this is the case. I don't see why you'd put so much time into something that isn't working. Go back and look at how many time the same people have given you advice repeatedly. A week or two later, it all comes back around to self destruction. Break your damn BB disk and go outside.

I'm not saying this because I think you're a shitty player, because I don't. I think you're acting like a jack ass. "He's doing this because he thinks I'm a shitty player." "He's doing flashy combos because I'm not worth the regular ones." Are you serious? Where the hell is your confidence? Do you act like this outside of FG's? I'd say get the hell off video games altogether. Go outside, read a book, find something new to do with your life. This shit isn't healthy for you, bro. Find some self confidence. Fuck changing characters because you do this everywhere you go, it seems

At the end of the day, we're just a bunch of niggas playing video games, Star. This isn't going to pay your rent, or get you a higher education. This is a hobby and a way to spend freetime. Not something that should -ever- get you so worked up that you sit here and bitch and moan in all caps and take that salty nap afterwards.

Edited February 13, 2013 by Fujiwara

[EXonestar]

Okay.....Back to using the GG's thread for GG's o_o ............

*Combo Reset!*

[psycofang2]

id fight you onestar simply because i have a friend called onelesstar but you in UK and im amerika

also GGs tot hat tao last night my god. sticky kitty is so gay. gonna have to start shafting that shit.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Hmm, I remember when it pissed me off trying to learn Hakumen so I took a breather every now and then, told myself "If everyone else can do this, so can I" I paced myself and focused on specific things I wanted to practice; and while there are things I can improve on, I'd say I'm at a respectable level now. It's all about patience.

[toanenadiz]

GGs to AI Tsubaki. You make that DP look so legit.

except toan, because toan is a meanie face.

Not my fault. I do all of my practicing in real matches because I fail at training mode. And I don't save my match videos so I can't go over them and see what my opponent was doing during matches so I can't really directly help people unless they have a video or ask about a specific situation.

[Fujiwara]

Hmm, I remember when it pissed me off trying to learn Hakumen so I took a breather every now and then, told myself "If everyone else can do this, so can I" I paced myself and focused on specific things I wanted to practice; and while there are things I can improve on, I'd say I'm at a respectable level now. It's all about patience.

Exactly this.

[psycofang2]

someone play with me, ive been on FFXI, wizardry, borderlands 2 and dead space 3 for waaaaaay too long.

got to triple my level in FFXI in a day. (4 hours)

[Dreiko]

Lol, star's inbox is full, I guess 20 people sent him help messages right now. XD

[toanenadiz]

someone play with me, ive been on FFXI, wizardry, borderlands 2 and dead space 3 for waaaaaay too long.

got to triple my level in FFXI in a day. (4 hours)

Be on BB tomorrow so we can play again and I can continue to hate Hakumen

[Star-Demon]

No, I just hoard PMs and infraction messages.

I deleted some stuff - should be fixed.