[CSE] PSN Match Finder/GG Thread

[Star-Demon]

oh my god I forgot how tight real carl stuff is OMMMGGGG

[Star-Demon]

GGs Banned-Shiro and Hanzo. Sorry I only made it to 15. I don't feel calm or focused at all.

[Wild Candy]

GG's to Moy and Errol! Had a lot of fun! Hopefully my lack of skills didn't bore you at all.

[Moy_X7]

GGs people

Nnnnngh, last time I play FT10 against a Noel player, that shit is torture. From now on I'm just doing FT3s at most against Noels, 4D is just too much of a fraudulent move. As I always say, no move with I-frames should do 4K+ for free (without using Heat). One right guess is all it takes for that fraud to turn the tide.

[mAc Chaos]

FT3 is so short though. I don't even feel like I played anything anymore unless its at least FT10.

[tomatotron]

GG Moy. I guess I should rely a bit less on 4D, but it's just so good now! But yeah, sorry for being all sorts of random :P

[floatwater]

weeee woooo.

WEEEEE WOOOO

[Moy_X7]

Oh no, if you have such a good move and it works, then by all means use it. That's like me not using and abusing Plat's j.C. I'm still salty as hell even though I won the majority of the matches.

[mAc Chaos]

That's like when I play Tectal. Mu's 2c.

[Moy_X7]

I swear every time I got hit by 4D I thought I was going to have a stroke. There's no such thing as frame advantage when you're playing against Noel, it doesn't help that there is no one foolproof punish for 4D after you block it like with other moves with I-frames.

[TD]

isn't her 2A also a low? I mean, most 2As are 7f and hit mid so an extra frame is hardly a bad trade.

OH NO I CAN'T MASH JAB ON THIS CHARACTER

it just seems weird with the way her GA dashes work... perhaps l overreacted.

GGs people

Nnnnngh, last time I play FT10 against a Noel player, that shit is torture. From now on I'm just doing FT3s at most against Noels, 4D is just too much of a fraudulent move. As I always say, no move with I-frames should do 4K+ for free (without using Heat). One right guess is all it takes for that fraud to turn the tide.

this used to be a legit salt-inducer, still is sometimes, but at this point of the game - and especially coming from you, moy - there shouldn't be a move that you don't understand. like, l don't even play jin and l know for sure that i'd be pressing 3c if l sniffed out a 4d, 2c for 2d and backdash/IABD if not sure.

after all, noel is called a mini tager for a reason.

[Errol]

I swear every time I got hit by 4D I thought I was going to have a stroke. There's no such thing as frame advantage when you're playing against Noel, it doesn't help that there is no one foolproof punish for 4D after you block it like with other moves with I-frames.

there is a nice gap between the first drive move and the second drive move, i believe that is your best spot to punish. but then it depends on them not trying to bait a dp.

[Star-Demon]

after all, noel is called a mini tager for a reason.

oh my GOD I thought I was the only one that ever said this.

She's a little blue flat tager.

[Errol]

this used to be a legit salt-inducer, still is sometimes, but at this point of the game - and especially coming from you, moy - there shouldn't be a move that you don't understand. like, l don't even play jin and l know for sure that i'd be pressing 3c if l sniffed out a 4d, 2c for 2d and backdash/IABD if not sure.

after all, noel is called a mini tager for a reason.

mash 4d more TD

[Moy_X7]

this used to be a legit salt-inducer, still is sometimes, but at this point of the game - and especially coming from you, moy - there shouldn't be a move that you don't understand. like, l don't even play jin and l know for sure that i'd be pressing 3c if l sniffed out a 4d, 2c for 2d and backdash/IABD if not sure.

after all, noel is called a mini tager for a reason.

That's the thing though, there is no one foolproof punish to 4D. I can't count the amount of times I got hit by Assault Through when trying to punish it with 66 2B, in the end I just did j.236D and it worked from time to time. If I have to backdash or get away just to save my own hide after baiting it/blocking it then you can tell just how fraudulent this thing is.

[Errol]

That's the thing though, there is no one foolproof punish to 4D. I can't count the amount of times I got hit by Assault Through when trying to punish it with 66 2B, in the end I just did j.236D and it worked from time to time. If I have to backdash or get away just to save my own hide after baiting it/blocking it then you can tell just how fraudulent this thing is.

you have j.236D and 623D. those are pretty fraudulent tools.

[TD]

you needn't punish it during your string, it doesn't advance her, you just need to not have a hitbox where she is standing for 4d. not that hard for jin. in pressure you should be baiting 2d most of all, alternating between that, getting to safety, and a very short, quick mixup attempt. what l am saying is your first priority in that matchup is to gather information on that noel player in particular, and then choosing the appropriate actions, which you have proven you are capable of.

personally l feel the reward is only slightly too much for 4d, everything else about the move is fine.

lol errol

[Moy_X7]

you have j.236D and 623D. those are pretty fraudulent tools.

They both cost meter and the latter can be baited and punished with much more ease than 4D.

Really now, let's look at all of 4D's benefits...

1.) Head, Body, and Projectile Invulnerable starting on frame 1.

2.) Leads to 4K or more in the corner + side swap.

3.) No clear cut way to punish it, she has several options after a blocked 4D to counter your various would-be punishes.

There is something seriously wrong with this thing and I'm guessing that it's only very slightly less fraudulent in CP. Anyways, I won't discuss this any further, Imad, 4D da fraud, etc.

@TD - I won the FT10 pretty convincingly, I'm just mad that 4D exists.

[TD]

all im saying is that 4d's weakness - lows - should be exploited as much as the move itself. armor is only as strong as it's weakest point. just something to think about.

[Errol]

They both cost meter and the latter can be baited and punished with much more ease than 4D.

Really now, let's look at all of 4D's benefits...

1.) Head, Body, and Projectile Invulnerable starting on frame 1.

2.) Leads to 4K or more in the corner + side swap.

3.) No clear cut way to punish it, she has several options after a blocked 4D to counter your various would-be punishes.

There is something seriously wrong with this thing and I'm guessing that it's only very slightly less fraudulent in CP. Anyways, I won't discuss this any further, Imad, 4D da fraud, etc.

@TD - I won the FT10 pretty convincingly, I'm just mad that 4D exists.

meter schmeter, jin always has meter. you know j.236D is hella fraudulent, anytime you're like o shit you mash j.236D. and it virtually never gets punished, not to mention leads to crazy ass damage, lets you bait everyone elses reversals with no risk and lets you followup with safe pressure instead of sketchy strings. No, this is not a legit move, it's actually way more fraudulent than 4d.

and 623D has a lot of similar traits too.

noel 4d? pssssssssh

[Wild Candy]

Quick Question Errol and Moy... I didn't any chance go into Noel Chain Revolver Abuse (Read Fraud) did I?

[floatwater]

TD: Izayoi has options.

[someonewhodied]

As a lambda main, I laugh at noel. my 2C beats out 2D, my sickle oki beats out everything except 2D and my spike oki beats everything except 4D.

[Wild Candy]

As a lambda main, I laugh at noel. my 2C beats out 2D, my sickle oki beats out everything except 2D and my spike oki beats everything except 4D.

Yeah, but doesn't Noel have some tools to punish Lambda/Nu from a distance. Mainly Optic Barrel, and Zero Gun: Thor. She has an easier time dealing with Lambda then most rushdown characters, like Makoto or Ragna.

[Moy_X7]

Quick Question Errol and Moy... I didn't any chance go into Noel Chain Revolver Abuse (Read Fraud) did I?

You were doing run up 2Ds, so I won't lie and say that you didn't lol. The difference is in when and where you use her Drive, you don't have to use her Drive completely randomly, try to make a read or a guess when it counts. Remember that small frame disadvantage is nothing for Noel when she has 2D/4D, the only time you should really hesitate to use her Drive is during wake-up as most characters have an OS to deal with 2D/4D guessing.