Arcana Heart

[pbjmixxa]

Saki does have a better high/low game thanks to her j3C,

Fixed... just to make sure no-one gets confused.

[purify]

That list with Liesoletetelatajdlkasjtls at the bottom must have been from an anime con or something. AH2 is gonna be so great. I can feel it in my nether(lands) regions.

[bucklemyshoe]

Crimson, thanks for the info but your avatar is going to give me a seizure. lol

[CrimsonDisaster]

Fixed... just to make sure no-one gets confused.

Whoops, thanks for pointing that out.

[Villainous]

Not to mention Saki's a charge character where as Heart isn't.

[BagLunch]

So what's the deal with Kira in AH original compared to Full? The saying with "KKK tier" was that Kamui, Konoha, and Kira were tops... in Full, Konoha got nerfed, but what about Kira? Or was it just Day 1 stuff that made everyone think that Kira was tops, when in fact she's not? Also, is there anybody that's actually good with the plant Arcana? Seems like it's agreed on as one of the crappier(-est?) picks...

[pbjmixxa]

I think what made Kira top in the original was the Kira splash. Now, most players know what to do to avoid it... pretty much by outprioritizing her. So, I guess the deal with Kira being top in the original was because no-one quite knew how to play against her. As far as the plant arcana goes... it is, without a doubt, the worst arcana in the game. I don't believe there's anyone (well... anyone good) that uses it. It's still usable because of the unblockables, but those are too situation specific unlike Lightning and Dark's unblockables. I wouldn't bother with it unless you either: - are bored with all other arcanas - in the mood for something different - want to be known as one of the only plant-users - hate winning!

[CrimsonDisaster]

A Saki player did some fancy plant combos in SBO top 8. He lost. What little you gain in the way of fancy combos and unblockables/mixups you lose in any other kind of utility out of your arcana. Oh well maybe it'll be improved a lot in AH2. In the original, Kira was top tier because of crazy long loop combos that hurt, resets off those loops that would kill you, priority, and people weren't as good at fighting through clashes and stuff back then. Just imagine if MvC2 Sentinel also had Magneto's ROM infinite, a command grab, and was a loli in a blob, and that's vanilla AH Kira.

[bucklemyshoe]

Did anyone who ordered AH during the play-asia sale get thier copy yet? I know it's on it's way but I'm being impatient amd want to play now. lol

[SolxBaiken]

Did anyone who ordered AH during the play-asia sale get thier copy yet? I know it's on it's way but I'm being impatient amd want to play now. lol

Ack!!! As am I, I ordered it on the 31st of Jan and was hoping to have it yesterday (it was my b-day :P) but it didn't happen >< hopefully I get it tomorrow

[Tiggy]

I'm mad I paid as much as I did for this game......oh well. At least I got the AH stick too (which was pricy as well). Just be patient as for the shipping....I'm currently waiting on my copy of Disgaea 3, which shipped out on the 31st last month. But thanks top this snow, it may take a little longer..... The plant Arcana sucks. Period. Of course, you can use whatever you want, seeing as the game doesn't prevent you from using the plant Arcana on the Arcana select screen due to it statistically the worst Arcana in the game.

[Necrosis]

Man, Tiggy, you play Disgaea too?! We had this whole conversation that kept dragging people in at Rob's birthday tourney about Disgaea strats. I guess everyone plays Disgaea, or something. I'm waiting on a whole lot of things I thought there was a shortage on but which apparently there isn't at all, I'd blame Brawl more than snow for lateness.

[bucklemyshoe]

Disgaea is the shit.

[Tiggy]

They should put Etna or Flonne as secret boss characters for AH2 Disgaea is a super popular niche game that came up from practically nothing. I found out about it from a friend back in high school in 2003, the same year as the US release. The same thing kinda happened with Arcana. My friend told me about the title back in Feb. last year...once I watched the first YT vid, I was hooked. But I was agonizing over the fact that I couldn't play the game, like this:psyduck: Then I heard of a PS2 port:yaaay: I noticed a plethora of typos in my last post. Jeez........

[Jet Set Dizzy]

They should put Etna or Flonne as secret boss characters for AH2

They should add Presea from Tales of Symphonia. They all ready have Etna, its Lilica's triangle outfit.

[jabhadouken]

Why would anyone be ordering this from Play-Asia? It's coming State-side pretty damned soon. ... and for only $30 bucks.

[Hsien_Jo]

They should add Presea from Tales of Symphonia. They all ready have Etna, its Lilica's triangle outfit.

At least im not the only one that thought of Liilica as Etna xD, and Presea was my favorite in Tales of Symphonia, gotta love the cute girls with oversized weapons (*plays with May* I think I see a pattern O,,..,,O)

Heres my question, I'm trying to play with Kamui and I want to know how her counters work. I know 623C counters low obviously, but the other two I get confused about cause my knowlege of 2-D game and 3-D game counters mix me up here @_@.

Here counter 623A where the sword is above her head, does that counter overheads, and specials (thinking KOF) or is it just over head?

Counter 623B, is that just for neutral, or for specials too, or do both work on specials (623A/B)? @_@

Also she has two counters in the air with the same motion, but with A and B (623A/B). One she puts the sword over her head, and the other protects the lower part of her body. What do those counter against @_@, me so confus-ed.

[Hatred Edge]

Here(from AH wiki): Koufu - On ground, 623+a/b/c - In air, 623+a/b: Kamui counter attack Another crucial move for Kamui, since she is lacking in the in close defense/antiair game department. On the ground, A version of Koufu will counter high attacks, sending the opponent flying up for a combo opportunity if you have homing to pursue. B version is a midcounter, and it will counter most mid attacks. It causes wallslam and sends them flying. C version is a low counter, it will connect with most crouching moves in the game. If you have homing meter, after a C Koufu you can homing cancel (6HC) and follow up with a 3B (or whatever you want) for a massive damage combo opportunity after that, so this move definately has it's uses. However take note that her counter will hit attacks depending on where the opponent hits the body, not whether they are airborne or not. For example, if Kira does a jC (her big boot) very deep and hits Kamui's midsection, you have to midcounter hit, not high counter it, as it will cause Kamui to be in counter-hit state. If she does the boot EARLY and touches Kamui's head, then you can use the A version appropriately. A good ground example of this would be Lilica's 2a - even though it is a crouching attack, it hits Kamui's midsection, and thus must be countered with a B Koufu. In the air, she has 2 counters, one counters high (above her head) and one counters low (takes care of attacks parallel/below her.) A Koufu in the air, on hit, does her A Tenza. You can follow up this move with a super if you want, however the damage output is not that great, so it's not reccomened. B Koufu puts the opponent in hitstop, does the same animation as Kamui's j2c, and they will fall to the ground. You can get massive combo opportunities off this move since they cannot recover for several frames, so you can definetely get a 3B off this if you hit the ground before they do (if you arent, and youre too high up in the air, its recommended to 2/5/3HC to them accordingly. Most of the time, you won't need to do this, however. Another lesser known function of her Koufu is that it will reflect/absorb projectiles. For example, Love/Partineas ball (236+D) will be repelled/reflected by Kamui's Koufu.

[bucklemyshoe]

Why would anyone be ordering this from Play-Asia?

It's coming State-side pretty damned soon.

... and for only $30 bucks.

because it was on sale for only 29.90 and this was before the stateside release was announced.

[pbjmixxa]

yay AHF!

[bucklemyshoe]

the game finally came today. it's alot of fun. a bit slower than i was expecting. oddly enough it's more like MvC2 than GG. :/

[Hsien_Jo]

Here(from AH wiki):

Koufu - On ground, 623+a/b/c - In air, 623+a/b: Kamui counter attack

Another lesser known function of her Koufu is that it will reflect/absorb projectiles. For example, Love/Partineas ball (236+D) will be repelled/reflected by Kamui's Koufu.

Thanks for the info, I had a feelin they were position related. I'll have to think about how I wanna use em, cause miss use looks very dangerous. I didn't know it absorbed/repells projectiles, thats nice need to know information . Thanks much.

[Xkun01]

Thanks for the info, I had a feelin they were position related. I'll have to think about how I wanna use em, cause miss use looks very dangerous. I didn't know it absorbed/repells projectiles, thats nice need to know information . Thanks much.

Man thats not cool.This man gaining knowledge.>,>

[Hsien_Jo]

Man thats not cool.This man gaining knowledge.>,>

hats you aint it sam? :/. Lol, you play arcana too?

[Xkun01]

hats you aint it sam? :/. Lol, you play arcana too?

Yeah, i'm a Heart player. I've also decided to stick back with my old main in GG. But yea, so far other then Heart's default arcana, I like Lang-Gong, cause fire is awesomeXD