[CP] Rachel Alucard Gameplay Discussion

[TD]

l knew it!!!! so glad l actually saw this work.

...bbl 214a dash 6a 4b 236a(frog hits)... works.

the entire combo was (midscreen) 2b 5b 5cd 3c bbl 214a dash 6a 4b 236a(frog hits) 5cc pumpkin.

so bbl into frog is still in, l assume this works in the corner too and extra hits look like they can be added while frog is active so the combo could be expanded even further.

[gli]

Yeah I was worried for a bit. Nice confirm.

[kirbster]

That's from a pretty early BBL though, I wonder if (and hope) it works when there are more hits before BBL, like after a corner carry combo or something.

Then again they fixed the hitbox on it so 5cd 3c BBL always connects now :D

[samthegreat]

A certain time for your combo is allowed depending on the starter, so it probably won't work if you BBL too late from a weak starter.

[TD]

bbl still gets pumpkin+frog oki and a little wind. so even late in a combo, as a knockdown into summons oki, its still good.

[samthegreat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nawn75sTU0#t=1015s

Pretty cool. I'm pretty sure he could've CT > 5B > j.C > j.236A > 2D > 5B > etc to set up 3 poles and get 6k from OD lily.

And then he does stupid things and loses

[kirbster]

lol 5cc

[TD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nawn75sTU0#t=1015s

Pretty cool. I'm pretty sure he could've CT > 5B > j.C > j.236A > 2D > 5B > etc to set up 3 poles and get 6k from OD lily.

And then he does stupid things and loses

that's arisa for you.

and he has so much potential too, even in cs2/ex...

lol 5cc

ha

[samthegreat]

Some combos from kinoko's twitter:

5Cfc>frog>2C>6ACT>5B>JC2D>5B6A>A lobelia>3C>iris>5CC　4801

5Cfc>frog>2C>6ACT>5B6A>A lobelia>5BJC>LV2>5CC　4889

[TD]

FC5c frog 2c connects? that seems like alot more time to confirm 5c unless i'm reading this wrong?

[kirbster]

It's because FC 5c spins them, a bit like good old CT/CS1 5cc :D

[TD]

5c alone? no 5cc? wow that's neat. l always thought 5c fatal was pretty meh, the options after it would rape the proration now (6c), later (5cc), or rape wind (3c). good to see we can do something from it without overcommiting.

pretty sure combos from 5c fatal will reach 7k or more.

[Rhannmah]

lol @ 5C fatal counter starter, a 17f startup normal with a super short hitbox

[TD]

its good for those blatantly obvious punishes and now her best frametrap since ct.

[tofurr]

How would you use it as a frame trap?

[Sakaku]

5A > 5C

But I don't know how this would be a good frame trape since it pretty much ends your pressure unless you waste a wind to 3CD and hope they don't IB or have a pole around.

[kirbster]

Maybe in CP you can hitconfirm the frametrap into frog?

[TD]

Pretty sure we can.

It's decent as a pressure ender as the options after 5c can push rachel or the foe to a safe enough distance where we could retreat, or continue pressure using winded 6c mixup. It's better now because it causes spin state allowing for plenty of time to do frog or whatever. With 25 heat we now have a mixup after 5c which we never had: high/low. Not anything game breaking but will keep the foe on their toes with a more traditional mixup. It also yields the most potential damage out of all her frame traps. Once ch 6b is combo able again we will finally have a decent frame trap game again, which she might need with how little damage she can do on average currently.

[sparkaura]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agplg6lJJBI

Combozzz CT=New BBL for mid screen stuff

[TD]

very nice~

ct combos look rather strong.

[Ctrlaltwtf]

I stand by what I said before: Rachel really needed a new Special/DD that changed her BnBs. Kind of disappointing seeing her essentially just playing CSE in CP.

[sparkaura]

I stand by what I said before: Rachel really needed a new Special/DD that changed her BnBs. Kind of disappointing seeing her essentially just playing CSE in CP.

Crush Trigger could be considered that new "special" she needed. I wouldn't say she is playing CSE in CP because some essential things in CSE are altered(or is completely gone) in CP.

[TD]

ct is definitely beginning to show it's importance, no wonder bbl got nerfed.

the damage and wind regen seem worth the 25 heat. l wonder if there's a cooldown for using it though.

[Zoular]

With 25 heat we now have a mixup after 5c which we never had: high/low. Not anything game breaking but will keep the foe on their toes with a more traditional mixup. It also yields the most potential damage out of all her frame traps.

Is this because of CT, how does this work?

[mMarikom]

It's really interesting to see her use CT this way, and even more interesting that it grounds...and I haven't seen anything to imply there would be a cooldown. The 25 heat cost is probably seen as enough.