SolxBaiken Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Doesn't Bolverk serve as a type of Seal which prevents Noel form accessing her Murakumo state (hence why they are broken during her initial transformation)? Maybe other Nox were supposed to be used in conjunction?
Surf Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 God. Just... The more we try to make sense of things the more confused we get.
Tokkan Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Prime field devices are made like the Nox Nyctores, except the mass of souls is sealed within a person rather than a weapon. The Murakumo Unit is itself a manifestation of the prime field device's powers in the form of armour made of Hihiirokane metal. But the actual Nox called "Murakumo" are the prime fields themselves once they've finished tempering. About the other 4 Nox. Yukianesa was wielded by Seven (who was also the ancestor/founder of the Kisaragi family), Bolverk was used by Three. You already know about Celica with Nirvana. I don't know about Rettenjou, I think I read Valkenhayn may have used it but I got no confirmation, I consider that potentially false for the moment.
Moy_X7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Huh, I always thought that the Murakumo armors were the Nox themselves but it results that it's the other way around lol. Seven and Three... didn't they belong to the 10 Saint Mages (or some shit like that)? Man, I wish we had quick summaries to the PS novels. The Dark War segment of the BB history is the most interesting one for me lol.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Huh, I always thought that the Murakumo armors were the Nox themselves but it results that it's the other way around lol. Seven and Three... didn't they belong to the 10 Saint Mages (or some shit like that)? Man, I wish we had quick summaries to the PS novels. The Dark War segment of the BB history is the most interesting one for me lol. Yes Konoe aka 9 is one of them. I too would like to actually find out what happened in the PS's in a summarized fashion as well.
Ichipoo Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Welcome to: Hakumen Anatomy 101 I really don't want to believe it's just his soul in there, it's just...I dunno weird...also back on the subject of Haku-Terumi, was the unit using Ookami at that point? What exactly did Terumi do as Hakumen before Jin? And were they the 5 Heroes before Terumi was strutting around as Kazuma?I've been wondering about this since the moment Hakumen's? (Or Hazama's?) CS Arcade Mode revealed that Terumi owned Ookami which was 2-3 years ago. Also, before all the time loops, was the very first Black Beast still a fusion of Ragna and Nu in some other form?
mAc Chaos Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Maybe there were no heroes or Black Beasts in the original timeline.
harmless kitten Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 why did I ever leave evangelion fandom I take it all back @Ichipoo: Wait what I think you're talking about the Susano'o Unit, not Ookami. Ookami and Hakumen are tight, and he took it with him when he was sealed into the Boundary. Plus Ookami would be stupidly large for Hazama. a first time loop would probably be caused by Kusanagi going berserk, but due to weird time bullshit from the future affecting the past that is also happening simultaneously, who can say. As Chronophantasma says, time is just an illusion.
Ichipoo Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Welp made a typo error, thanks kitten. Just out of curiosity, what some mysteries that the story has yet to reveal? (Which I'm sure is a lot)
Orihalcon Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 I swear to God, if people start actually believing that Terumi is Susanooh himself because of this thread, I'm going to have an aneurism. Prime field devices are made like the Nox Nyctores, except the mass of souls is sealed within a person rather than a weapon. The Murakumo Unit is itself a manifestation of the prime field device's powers in the form of armour made of Hihiirokane metal. But the actual Nox called "Murakumo" are the prime fields themselves once they've finished tempering. Wait...so their armor is just Hihiirokane armor, and the girls themselves are the Noxes? Interesting... God, I love BB to death but the storyline is going to tear my brain a new asshole.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 God, I love BB to death but the storyline is going to tear my brain a new asshole. Impressive how it hasn't already. I tend to keep my knowledge of a story centered on certain aspects, and I leave out others. Are all the 6 Heroes (minus I guess Jubei and Terumi) weaker than they were during the dark war? Hakumen is supposedly at 20%, and if that's the case why is he able to keep up with Valkenhayn and Terumi, especially when Terumi uses Blazblue? That sort of stuff doesn't make sense to me, or is Hakumen simply getting stronger as the storyline goes by? Or is it that Rachel's observation of him made him even stronger than his CT version?
mAc Chaos Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 I thought by CS he was at like 40% or something. Maybe Haku is so much stronger than the others that even 20% of him is enough to go even with them.
Vulcan422 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Impressive how it hasn't already. I tend to keep my knowledge of a story centered on certain aspects, and I leave out others. Are all the 6 Heroes (minus I guess Jubei and Terumi) weaker than they were during the dark war? Hakumen is supposedly at 20%, and if that's the case why is he able to keep up with Valkenhayn and Terumi, especially when Terumi uses Blazblue? That sort of stuff doesn't make sense to me, or is Hakumen simply getting stronger as the storyline goes by? Or is it that Rachel's observation of him made him even stronger than his CT version? I thought by CS he was at like 40% or something. Maybe Haku is so much stronger than the others that even 20% of him is enough to go even with them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsMSiVn6vpQ This seems like the only an appropriate answer. Edited December 3, 2012 by Vulcan422
Orihalcon Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 For once, I agree with a Vulcan post. But I always just assumed it was what mAc said; he's so strong that even at this little power he can equal them.
harmless kitten Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 -What Amaterasu exactly is -What's going on with Amaterasu -What is the origin of the Sankishin Core Units -What the NOL wanted with Tenjou's corpse -Tenjou's son -What's going on with Saya/the Imperator -Phantom--what happened to Nine? Is Phantom just Nine's corpse reanimated, or a doll created by Relius to house her subjugated soul? -Celica. Just. Celica. -How Relius and Terumi plan to destroy Amaterasu--especially how they're going to get to it or have it come to them -No.00 (if it's not referring to Izayoi or whatever) -Ragna's No. 5 mark (is it just a regular tattoo? or does it have a more sinister origin to it?) -How in the world do Makoto's boobs stay in her top -Tager's past -Events of...I guess I should say the initial timeline/universe. The one that made the "world go mad" as Rachel put it. -I guess what happened to Murakumo Units 1-10, but it's likely they are either unimportant or destroyed. I don't really consider this a big mystery. Kind of just listed things off the top of my head sorry. As for Hakumen, Hakumen is simply that amazing. Hihiirokane huh? Lots of things seem to be made out of hihiirokane in BB, although I guess that's to be expected.
mAc Chaos Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Well, it makes sense if you think about it. He's piloting this super rare suit from the Boundary, and his biggest rival is a samurai cat. More mysteries: -> What made Terumi such a vile being. In CS' story he kind of hints at it while he's trying to make Noel freak out. -> What Ragna's goal in going after the NOL is. We don't even really know that. -> What exactly happened with Jin and the church to make him kind of just go along with it and want to kill Ragna. -> What secret Arakune understood in the Boundary that would "solve" the BB universe. -> I never really understood what the deal with Nirvana / Ada was. Is it really Ada, or is it Nirvana controlling him, etc., or both Edited December 3, 2012 by mAc Chaos
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 -> I never really understood what the deal with Nirvana / Ada was. Is it really Ada, or is it Nirvana controlling him, etc., or both Yes, it is her soul transmitted inside of it by Relius. Relius told Carl that Ada willingly did it, he put her soul inside of it because after the Dark War it no longer had the ability to power itself. This is the same thing that happened with Ignis, it's the soul of his wife. Without a soul the can barely work or move.
harmless kitten Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 -> What Ragna's goal in going after the NOL is. We don't even really know that. This one seemed kind of clear to me. 1. He really does not like the NOL in general. Jubei didn't seem to like it either, and Jubei has obviously passed on a few of the NOL's dirty secrets to Ragna. 2. Destroying the Cauldrons under the base, and if they have them, the incomplete Nu. 3. Because he wants to rip Terumi apart and Terumi is allied with the NOL. 5. He was also seeking the Imperator prior to the big reveal. Not so much as a single goal, but rather a multitude of reasons.
ChrisX Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) I think it was made clear that Ragna was going after NOL because the NOL stored the Prime Field Devices and the Murakumos... and that just pissed him off. Terumi, I think, is being evil because... well it's within his nature. He's developed some sort of narcissistic ego that he thinks he's the most awesome being to ever embrace existence and his words has better be accepted at truth. He snaps when he finds out that the humans can find more truths than just despair like him, and refusing to adapt to that new truth, he decided to revamp the world to fit his own brand of truth, because he thinks he's that awesome and needs to have his entertainment served on a platter. While IMO, it's making him sound like a kid throwing a tantrum on the world because he didn't get his favorite toy. Well that's what I thought... EDIT: For the guy above... four IS NOT RIGHT OUT. Edited December 3, 2012 by ChrisX
Chaoschao222 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 -> I never really understood what the deal with Nirvana / Ada was. Is it really Ada, or is it Nirvana controlling him, etc., or both Ada is really part of Nirvana, currently, just like Ignis is part of Detonator. How Relius (and Carl seeing as he apparently had to finish NirvanAda) pulled that off and how they seem so much more consciously bound to their owners iunno, but Ada's definitely in there.
Calamitus Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Hakumen quote about Hazama was "A vessel, huh... So you were created when this world was formed... Nevertheless, your crimes are not easily forgiven!" At first i thought that he was created by Imperator but it sounds ludicrous a bit.
mAc Chaos Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/958721-blazblue-calamity-trigger/faqs/57598 I always liked this plot analysis from CT. Was helpful to put a lot of things in order. Also helps note how much knowledge is missing.
Orihalcon Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) -I guess what happened to Murakumo Units 1-10, but it's likely they are either unimportant or destroyed. I don't really consider this a big mystery. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't weren't they all failures? If I recall correctly, when Makoto went to Ibukido, those were the bodies she saw in her Story Mode. I think it was made clear that Ragna was going after NOL because the NOL stored the Prime Field Devices and the Murakumos... and that just pissed him off. That seems far too simple for BB, and just a bit...weird, for Ragna. There's probably more to it than that. Terumi, I think, is being evil because... well it's within his nature. He's developed some sort of narcissistic ego that he thinks he's the most awesome being to ever embrace existence and his words has better be accepted at truth. He snaps when he finds out that the humans can find more truths than just despair like him, and refusing to adapt to that new truth, he decided to revamp the world to fit his own brand of truth, because he thinks he's that awesome and needs to have his entertainment served on a platter. Well that's what I thought... That sounds nothing like Terumi at all. And completely clashes with his 'world of lies' speech. Edited December 3, 2012 by Orihalcon
Tokkan Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 -What's going on with Saya/the Imperator I think I have an inkling of this, actually. In the Wheel of Fortune Drama CD, Relius and Hazama basically treat Saya like an object and call her the "vessel". Plus in CT Reconstruction, Noel has a dream where she was sick and "her brother" (Ragna) was taking care of her. Of course, this dream was just a memory of Saya's that Noel was experiencing in her dream. Basically, my theory goes that the Imperator has hijacked Saya's body, and the bulk of Saya's soul is inside Noel, with Nu potentially having some of Saya's soul too. Now, as to who the Imperator actually is, I have no clue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't weren't they all failures? If I recall correctly, when Makoto went to Ibukido, those were the bodies she saw in her Story Mode. Those were a control group, unnumbered prime fields that were being experimented on to perfect the tempering process for 11, 12 and 13. Relius said as much in his BBCP arcade when fighting Makoto.
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