mAc Chaos Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Guess they must have been like 2 years old then.
harmless kitten Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I think Jubei is just exaggerating here. Ragna, Jin, and Saya sure as hell aren't that young in the novel. At the very youngest, Ragna looks like he's 10 and Saya looks 6. Or at least, they certainly aren't developmentally that young. For all we know they're only a few weeks old in the novel.
Ehecatl Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Ragna undoing her tempering? Idk. The way Terumi planned on killing everybody before the Imperator showed up just suggested to me that he didn't give a fuck about Noel anymore and there was no more life-link between them. Observation. It's what's required to make a life-link work. The link between Noel and Terumi began at the ending of Calamity Trigger because she observed him. It's what that whole "Look at me Noel Vermillion!!" thing was about, followed by Rachel screaming at her NOT to look at him, followed by Terumi laughing in the vampire's face when Noel does observe him. My guess is Noel refused to acknowledge Noel any longer and thus terminated the link. Why she couldn't do that earlier, I dunno. But it's safe to say he's got a link with Saya now. It's not like life-links are anything other than nebulous plot devices anyway. Perhaps. However I think it a little more than that. There's a part in Tager's (or was it Lambda's?) story where Kokonoe started privately rambling about Lambda's idea engine reacting to Tager and talking about how it was similar to the basis that formed the "life link theory". She compared it to a pair of Schrodinger's cats. It got me thinking of what she could mean and my theory is that it's like one cat observing another cross-dimensionally. Remember how Schrodinger's cats is basically a theory that states all phenomenon in a dimension are considered true and false simultaneously unless observed from an outside source? This is the basic idea Observation in this game is based on (as well as the Continuum Shift). The theory uses the idea of a cat in a box trapped with poison. Unless directly observed as either dead OR alive, the cat is considered both dead AND alive. Well what if you had two cats observing each other? Could they not then decide how the other will be? If both chose to observe the other as alive, would this not essentially make them impervious? Any changes that happen to one, the other will simply correct by choosing not to observe that change-- thus making it as though it never happened at all. In theory, the only way to truly bring about an outcome they wouldn't desire or observe would be to kill both cats (or participants in the life-link) at the same time. Terumi actually gives weight to this by telling Ragna that if he wanted to destroy him, he'd have to kill both him and Noel simultaneously. "Shouldn't be too hard." indeed. So I think this lifelink is a little more than Mori pulling a plot device out of his ass. Now why then did Ragna defeat Terumi? I dunno. Because Ragna defeats all logic through "teh warrior spirit" I guess. Or maybe it's got something to do with that idea engine and his own lifelink. There's a lot of observation going on from all angles too... The whole thing is dizzingly to consider. I could just imagine Terumi trying to explain this to Noel. "Look, Takamagahara is observing me who's observing you who's also observing me and the master unit which is observing Ragna who's observing me because he hates my guts and Nu who's also observing Ragna, but Takamagahara isn't observing me or anything because of the Izayoi, which blocks all observation in an area. Oh let's not forget about Rachel, Hakumen, and Arakune. They also are observing stuff but mine's better and..."
Ehecatl Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 By the way, give a cigar to the brave chap who observes that big fucking wall of text I wrote.
heavymetalmixer Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 By the way, give a cigar to the brave chap who observes that big fucking wall of text I wrote. I just readed all that stuff, now we have a life link :P
harmless kitten Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Well, that's certainly a better explanation for life-links than anything else I could come up with. Props. The only hole is that Ragna and Nu have a life-link even though there's been no mention of either of them being observers. There's also the question of how/when did they observe each other, but this is BlazBlue and I know better than to expect an answer to that question.
mAc Chaos Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I thought Terumi knew he was going to get defeated and wanted it to happen so he could do his whole "distract Takamagahara" plan. But he was probably never in any real danger of dying because of the lifelink and he knew that.
harmless kitten Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Yeah, pretty much. In Relius's arcade mode they chat about that. Terumi just lays down waiting to bleed out until Relius shows up, then Relius uses Ignis to kill him. Relius says something along the lines of if Ragna had done his job there would've been no need for them to stoop to fighting. So yeah, he was counting on the life-link to pull through and revive him after he finished messing up Takamagahara.
mAc Chaos Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Wait what. Why would Relius kill him. Terumi would suddenly revive or something?
harmless kitten Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) I guess he needed to be dead (however momentarily) in order to get where Takamagahara is (the Boundary, right?) in the first place, or he needs to be dead in order to use his ghost form. Unless there's some other reason why that I missed. Edited January 22, 2013 by harmless kitten
heavymetalmixer Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I guess he needed to be dead (however momentarily) in order to get where Takamagahara is (the Boundary, right?) in the first place, or he needs to be dead in order to use his ghost form. Unless there's some other reason why that I missed. Now that we're talking about that, what happened to those in Takamagahara?
harmless kitten Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Now that we're talking about that, what happened to those in Takamagahara? Screwed up by Phantom's magical virus and now they're gonna spend the rest of eternity trying to divide by zero. Although it seems like the Imperator has a degree of control over them, given what goes on in Ragna's CP arcade ending.
Ehecatl Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Well, that's certainly a better explanation for life-links than anything else I could come up with. Props. The only hole is that Ragna and Nu have a life-link even though there's been no mention of either of them being observers. There's also the question of how/when did they observe each other, but this is BlazBlue and I know better than to expect an answer to that question. Ragna observed Terumi through his hatred of him and that's how he could keep himself maintained in the world. Terumi states him and Ragna observed every pattern of the continuum shift but Ragna didn't seem to know what he was talking about. Ragna has seen other alternate timelines of himself as is shown in Calamity Trigger Reconstruction. So... I guess he can. Nu as well I think has seen some flashes to alnernate timelines, if I remember. Not sure on that. Also keep in mind that while Terumi's body was destroyed he very much was alive. His soul was never destroyed. So the lifelink never actually failed. He was probably still being observed by Noel. Ragna could have ended and "killed" him but the reason he didn't was because "that life-link's gonna make killing you a bitch, just lie right there." I'm thinking Ragna knew if he destroyed Terumi's body it wouldn't make a difference. He probably wanted to deal with Noel, to get her to stop observing him. That's my theory on that at least. Edited January 22, 2013 by Ehecatl
kosmos badgirl Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I'm confused about the CT novel, does it cover not only the true CT timeline but the wheels of fortune timeline too?.
Tokkan Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I'm confused about the CT novel, does it cover not only the true CT timeline but the wheels of fortune timeline too?. First one, at least, covers the Wheel of Fortune. Yes, I say first one because the full title of the novel implies it's only the first part of both a series and a story arc.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 So I heard that in Jin's Arcade mode, he's actually not out searching for Ragna and only runs into him simply by chance and actually DOESN'T want to fight him, and only does so to proceed forward towards saving Tsubaki. If so, that is...pretty significant considering he spends the entirety of his stories in CT/CS hunting Ragna down, can someone confirm this?
NovaFortuna Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I thought it was like: -Jin: Gotta save Tsubaki *Sees Ragna* -Jin: Nisaan! -Ragna: Aw fuck... *They fight* -Jin: Isn't this fun, nisaaan? -Ragna: Isn't your girlfriend in danger or something, you moron?! -Jin: Shit! *Runs off*
heavymetalmixer Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I thought it was like: -Jin: Gotta save Tsubaki *Sees Ragna* -Jin: Nisaan! -Ragna: Aw fuck... *They fight* -Jin: Isn't this fun, nisaaan? -Ragna: Isn't your girlfriend in danger or something, you moron?! -Jin: Shit! *Runs off* More likely :P
Master Of Chaos Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Do we have any videos of Jin's Arcade?
Zangelin Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Do we have any videos of Jin's Arcade? This, I have only really seen Bang and Ragnas arcades.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Wait what. Why would Relius kill him. Terumi would suddenly revive or something? He suggests that he needs to "die" in order to be in his ghosty form. So Relius forces his spirit out of his body by killing him (hence why he's in ghost form when he attacks the takamagahara). I think it would've happened anyway if Hazama had just bled out but it was basically along the lines of "If you need to die anyway, why don't we duke it out." If you fight Relius vs. Hazama (any game mode), Relius says "You waste our time with these antics." which I believe is partly a reference to this bit in the story. In the story mode, immediately after Relius kills Hazama, Hazama does the "put a virus in Takamagahara" scene.
TPPR10 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 It could be possible that in order to Hazama to leave his body, the body must pretty much be desroyed. I mean, Igns shreds Hazama's body to pieces And considering that the window of opportunity to get to Takamagahara are less than a second, I think he doesn't have time to bleed to death. Though I do wonder a bit the fact that Hazama came back fromt here with his body pretty much fine.
Anfingrimm Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Actually, she just rips his throat out. You can see it in the final arcade CG, where Haz is bleeding from his mouth and neck (rather profusely, too).
TPPR10 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Now that I look at it, yeah, it does look like it (though it seems bit like she tore his chest open by how his suit looks like).
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 That's a pretty graphic death for this series, like wow.
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