Tsuki Garyuu Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Well Tao already has some form of respect for Ragna, and since Jubei told her to follow him, it's probably not too farfetched for her to to develop a master/disciple relation. (wonder how Bang will take this ; -; he's loosing all his pupils!) It's still highly doubtful the new story will have her develop in terms of discipline since it's Taokaka. Or so I would say if Mu-12's description didn't state that Noel is willing to have Rachel train her so that she can control her Murakumo powers to save Tsubaki, which surprised me. So call me curious of what's in store for Tao.
kylehyde Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 It's still highly doubtful the new story will have her develop in terms of discipline since it's Taokaka. Or so I would say if Mu-12's description didn't state that Noel is willing to have Rachel train her so that she can control her Murakumo powers to save Tsubaki, which surprised me. So call me curious of what's in store for Tao. I think Ragna just got annoyed of her and probably tricked her into helping/leaving him alone. Although I don't get why he would still be looking for Noel, didn't they just get seperated from each other at the end of the last game. I just hope that doesn't become his over all story, chasing her down again. I wonder how Rachel is going to treat Noel when she trains her, or "if" she trains her for that matter.
Tokkan Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 I think Ragna just got annoyed of her and probably tricked her into helping/leaving him alone. Although I don't get why he would still be looking for Noel, didn't they just get seperated from each other at the end of the last game. I just hope that doesn't become his over all story, chasing her down again. Ragna is looking for Noel in his CP arcade story. Also, there's a month-long gap between the stories of CS and CP, why wouldn't he want to check up on her? He hasn't seen her for a month.
kylehyde Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 Ragna is looking for Noel in his CP arcade story. Also, there's a month-long gap between the stories of CS and CP, why wouldn't he want to check up on her? He hasn't seen her for a month. Anytime Ragna meets Noel it's bad for his health, pretty soon he's just going to be a head in a jar. Even though he saved her life, she'll probably still be bitchy towards him like in CS.
Prototype909 Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 He still has a few appendages to lose at this point.
Yaaay Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 EDIT: Makoto and Bullet aren't the only Over sexualized characters, May i mention Litchi.? Litchi is a different story though because it fits her character. She is supposed to be the perfect woman. She's beautiful, kind, intelligent, strong, determined, gets drunk on occasion and she has many more good qualities, yet for that one thing that is lacking in her life, she is willing to sacrifice it all. Once you get past the fan service you realize there is more to it than just prettiness. Even I though I don't know Bullet's story, other than fan service I can't explain Makoto's and Bullet's enormous boobs. Possibly it's an animal thing?
Wild Candy Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Makoto isn't just boobs and beauty too, she had a rough childhood because of racial inequality, and throughout Continuum Shift and most definitly in Chrono Phantasma, she tries to hold hold her friends together. She's trying keep her friendship with Noel and Tsubaki from falling apart. That same friendship was so important to her, is was the only reason her soul wasn't destroyed when she was sent to the boundary and witnissed the timeline where Noel didn't exist in her Story Mode. And from what was revealed, Bullet will probably have rich backstory to.
Errol Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 rich? games and 'racial inequality' is just about cliche-level
Wild Candy Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 It's more of matter of oppinian. I could easily look at Litchi's backstory with Arakune and call it a cliched crush gone wrong.
TD Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 rich? games and 'racial inequality' is just about cliche-level and totally doesn't justify the underboob. LOL
Wild Candy Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 But it's not just the racial inequality, Makoto's trying to hold her friends together, no matter what. She's putting her life on the line to perserve the people who showed her kindess. She's actively trying to keep her friends from fighting. Litchi's backstory is interesting, but does that still justify that she's revealing as much clevage as possible, without the game becoming rated Mature by the ratings board!
Star-Demon Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Litchi is a different story though because it fits her character. She is supposed to be the perfect woman. She's beautiful, kind, intelligent, strong, determined, gets drunk on occasion and she has many more good qualities, yet for that one thing that is lacking in her life, she is willing to sacrifice it all. Once you get past the fan service you realize there is more to it than just prettiness. Even I though I don't know Bullet's story, other than fan service I can't explain Makoto's and Bullet's enormous boobs. Possibly it's an animal thing? Litchi is not the perfect woman. She's selfish, pouty, stubborn, and as insincere as you can get without knowing it. She DOES has an amazing body, but she's not waifu material because of her feelings of selfishness and guilt. She may be intelligent, but she's an absolute fool. She may be kind, but I sense it's more out of politeness or necessity. She's a very damaged character - I'd like to see more background about her learning to fight (Maybe explain why she can do all the moves she had and now puffballs...) By the end of BB3 or in BB4 Dark Litchi will rise. Edited November 11, 2012 by Star-Demon
Wild Candy Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Litchi is not the perfect woman. She's selfish, pouty, stubborn, and as insincere as you can get without knowing it. She DOES has an amazing body, but she's not waifu material because of her feelings of selfishness and guilt. She may be intelligent, but she's an absolute fool. She may be kind, but I sense it's more out of politeness or necessity. She's a very damaged character - I'd like to see more background about her learning to fight (Maybe explain why she can do all the moves she had and now puffballs...) I have to agree with this, Tager pointed out that she had what anyone else could possibly want, and still hopelessly chased Arakune. Not to mention the people she hurt without think hard about her decision to join the NOL. Like Linuah, Tao, and Bang. Not to mention that desperation makes her just that much easier for Hazama/Terumi to manipulate and use.
Yaaay Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Litchi is not the perfect woman. She's selfish, pouty, stubborn, and as insincere as you can get without knowing it. She DOES has an amazing body, but she's not waifu material because of her feelings of selfishness and guilt. She may be intelligent, but she's an absolute fool. She may be kind, but I sense it's more out of politeness or necessity. She's a very damaged character - I'd like to see more background about her learning to fight (Maybe explain why she can do all the moves she had and now puffballs...) By the end of BB3 or in BB4 Dark Litchi will rise. Exactly (hence why I said supposed to be, in case somebody missed it). From the outside, she seems like a very admirable woman. She is loved by Bang, looked up to by Linhua, she is one of the very few adults that Carl actually likes, in Platinum's story mode she shows she can handle children very well which makes Jubei stand in awe, in her bad ending it is shown that Kokonoe cares for her and last but not least, Taokaka just can't stop touching her. When it comes to character relationships, Litchi is possibly the most liked character in the cast. But like you said, she is very flawed. She loses all rationality when it comes to one particular person: Lotte Carmine. Whenever he shows up, everything goes wrong and other side shows. She's being consumed by her determination and her hope. But then again, when you really, really want something or even MUST get something, aren't you supposed to go for it? To never give up, whatever it takes? We praise Ragna for his stubbornness and his perseverance, everobody told him to give up but he continued. In general we praise people for determination, but is it justified? In Ragna's case it apparently is, in Litchi's case it isn't... it seems as if we can only judge after their success. I find all characters in Blazblue interesting and well-written, but I find Litchi an exceptionally interesting and deep character because of these kind of struggles. But it's not just the racial inequality, Makoto's trying to hold her friends together, no matter what. She's putting her life on the line to perserve the people who showed her kindess. She's actively trying to keep her friends from fighting. Litchi's backstory is interesting, but does that still justify that she's revealing as much clevage as possible, without the game becoming rated Mature by the ratings board! Because, IMO, the more perfect she looks like, the better, because it makes for a hideous contradiction. I like how you cited that Tager part because there it gets stressed how good of a life she actually has (and her characteristics, being amazing and stuff, show this even more) and he is warning her not to throw it away so easily. Also, her boobs serve as comic relief. Makoto's beauty, on the other hand, doesn't have any connection to her storyline since she doesnt have to look amazing or anything. That said I find her story great and I don't mind her having her two friends either. When I see someone like Bullet, however, I'm just getting a bit tired of skimpy characters. We already have two of them, couldn't they think of anything else now? It's like seeing a NOL uniform for the sixth time. Im making it seem like a bigger problem than it actually is though, it's barely a problem or anything, but I just would have like to see a bit more original design and less boob for her. Dress less to impress is so 2007.
Wild Candy Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Exactly (hence why I said supposed to be, in case somebody missed it). From the outside, she seems like a very admirable woman. She is loved by Bang, looked up to by Linhua, she is one of the very few adults that Carl actually likes, in Platinum's story mode she shows she can handle children very well which makes Jubei stand in awe, in her bad ending it is shown that Kokonoe cares for her and last but not least, Taokaka just can't stop touching her. When it comes to character relationships, Litchi is possibly the most liked character in the cast. But like you said, she is very flawed. She loses all rationality when it comes to one particular person: Lotte Carmine. Whenever he shows up, everything goes wrong and other side shows. She's being consumed by her determination and her hope. But then again, when you really, really want something or even MUST get something, aren't you supposed to go for it? To never give up, whatever it takes? We praise Ragna for his stubbornness and his perseverance, everobody told him to give up but he continued. In general we praise people for determination, but is it justified? In Ragna's case it apparently is, in Litchi's case it isn't... it seems as if we can only judge after their success. I find all characters in Blazblue interesting and well-written, but I find Litchi an exceptionally interesting and deep character because of these kind of struggles. Because, IMO, the more perfect she looks like, the better, because it makes for a hideous contradiction. I like how you cited that Tager part because there it gets stressed how good of a life she actually has (and her characteristics, being amazing and stuff, show this even more) and he is warning her not to throw it away so easily. Also, her boobs serve as comic relief. Makoto's beauty, on the other hand, doesn't have any connection to her storyline since she doesnt have to look amazing or anything. That said I find her story great and I don't mind her having her two friends either. When I see someone like Bullet, however, I'm just getting a bit tired of skimpy characters. We already have two of them, couldn't they think of anything else now? It's like seeing a NOL uniform for the sixth time. Im making it seem like a bigger problem than it actually is though, it's barely a problem or anything, but I just would have like to see a bit more original design and less boob for her. Dress less to impress is so 2007. I'm not trying to debate anymore on Makoto's wardrobe, I just think they did it so that it would fit her sporty personality (One of her hobbies is Lacrosse and her Physical Abilities were recorded as "Off the charts" By the NOL academy.") And to service some male players. (It can't hurt to have some beautiful woman in game. I'm sure that was one of the motivations behind Litchi Now to the Ragna Point, Ragna is fighting for hope anything like that. He's fighing back out of vengance! Because it's being controlled by Hazama/Terumi who pretty much ruined his life. It also took away Jin and and his sister Saya. He's basically fighting cause it he would rather die fighting and rebelling then to sit around and do nothing. Litchi on the other hand has anything a Woman could want, admirers, beauty, inteligence, kindness, but she's throwing it all away for Arukune because she believes that he's the only thing that matters. I'm just going to say, it's not healthy for a lady to throw away everything, just for the sake of one guy. And Terumi is using that to his advantage and she could even die for a guy who she loves, but who doesn't love her back. (Tager even said that, I mean. Lotte would've rather been corrupted by the Boundary for wisdom then spend time with Litchi. How does that hint not come across!) And last but not least, she uses the same power that corrupted Lotte/Arakune to save him when she could end up like him or worse. I'm sorry, but Love is not the hero with Litchi or anyone in this story.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 Litchi on the other hand has anything a Woman could want, admirers, beauty, inteligence, kindness, but she's throwing it all away for Arukune because she believes that he's the only thing that matters. I'm just going to say, it's not healthy for a lady to throw away everything, just for the sake of one guy. And Terumi is using that to his advantage and she could even die for a guy who she loves, but who doesn't love her back. (Tager even said that, I mean. Lotte would've rather been corrupted by the Boundary for wisdom then spend time with Litchi. How does that hint not come across!) And last but not least, she uses the same power that corrupted Lotte/Arakune to save him when she could end up like him or worse. I'm sorry, but Love is not the hero with Litchi or anyone in this story. I think that's ultimately the point of Litchi's character, and clear difference between her and Ragna. Litchi's persistence and love is actively killing her, it makes her a Tragic Character of sorts, in that despite being what many view as "the perfect woman" she's willing to throw it all away for a man that might not even love her back, and even worse it's actively killing her to do so. It's also why the few people that do know about her refuse to help her, they know her behavior is self-destructive, and want no part in it. Ragna isn't willing to throw away his humanity for his revenge, despite having a better reason than Litchi to do so. It's why we can root for him despite his goal being a selfish one.
ChrisX Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) I came back to Dustloop after years of absence, trying to make due with Litchi's situation, and voila, I see that time did little to change Dustloop's perspective about Litchi. In anything, you always view Litchi as the wrong side. But I find it wrong, really. I could really accept her being in NOL because of this one thing: Because she's dying and she needs cure. At this point, it's not solely about Arakune anymore, no matter how much she claims it to be. Her act here is a desperate act to preserve herself for not just saving Arakune, but eventually do so many good things that she would be capable of. Her corruption is eating her up and she realizes it, she needs the cure ASAP, not just for Arakune, but for HERSELF as well. And she has no time to waste: Kokonoe just flat out refused her and would only move her ass when it's already too late for her. She probably realizes on how much the people that do care about her will be in anguish if she perished. Unlike what everyone said, her corruption is something like an Alzheimer's... Leaving the problems alone will NOT fix the sickness, it doesn't cure itself. She needs the cure and since no one's willing to help, she had to take action herself. Her interaction with Carl can be interpreted as her having already been in NOL, therefore, it would mean that there's just some things she wouldn't throw away despite being obsessed. And despite how everyone said she's easy to be manipulated by Hazama, there's one thing that I have to stress out: She's highly suspicious at Hazama and is still keeping an eye of him, rather than just flat out worship and let herself be manipulated at raw. Selfish? Hardly. Actually what Tager suggested turn out to be the selfish thing, does that status of 'Good, Perfect Woman' THAT absolute that it needs to be defended at all costs and Litchi is a fool to sacrifice it for the greater good (and here I mean to say the cure of her own condition, not just Arakune). Her bad end also showed that obeying Arakune means resigning to a short life, when she could've taken big risk of staining her morality a bit, but if she succeeds, she came out with a better body, longer lifespan, and overall... better living. Tager, Kokonoe and the others are just taking things on the straws based on what they perceive as sickness, as a doctor, Litchi probably knew better. If you know your sickness has an Alzheimer-like effect, you will want the cure, even if your friend, who doesn't know that it's Alzheimer-ish, said "It's just flu. Leave it alone and you'll get better!" Overall, I hope you do understand that Litchi... still is the kindhearted person that really wished she could be with everyone she loved. Ragna is fighting to rebel against his fate rather than dying while doing nothing. What you probably missed out is that Litchi is exactly the same. She'd rather not succumb to her corruption and would rather rebel against that fate, even if everyone else got the wrong idea. Litchi is not the perfect woman. She's selfish, pouty, stubborn, and as insincere as you can get without knowing it. She DOES has an amazing body, but she's not waifu material because of her feelings of selfishness and guilt. She may be intelligent, but she's an absolute fool. She may be kind, but I sense it's more out of politeness or necessity. She's a very damaged character - I'd like to see more background about her learning to fight (Maybe explain why she can do all the moves she had and now puffballs...) By the end of BB3 or in BB4 Dark Litchi will rise. Heh heh heh heh... Let me break it down to you: *She's selfish, pouty, stubborn, and as insincere as you can get without knowing it - As I said, if she tried to cultivate her 'Perfect Woman' image, that would be the selfish route. She asks nothing out of hugging Carl and consoling everyone she knew of, she is stubborn because she just refused to give up and die needlessly (Yes, dying in solitude as in the Bad End is a needless death, because she could've accomplished more than solely saving Arakune). So yes... *She DOES has an amazing body, but she's not waifu material because of her feelings of selfishness and guilt - Opinions, opinions. As said, I don't think her acts are selfish. And guilt is part of her flaws, and the one thing she had to work on, yes. But... well, regardless. She's STILL waifu material for me. Even if fanarts disagree. * She may be intelligent, but she's an absolute fool - As I said, she's no fool. She has guessed her conditions more right than how Kokonoe and Tager deducted them. They are no doctors, I'd trust a doctor's advice rather than a scientist's when it comes to health medicine. And as I said before, she didn't completely trust Hazama, but only sees it as the only way to go. You can go ahead and say other alternatives that Litchi could have, and I'll be sure to shoot it down to make it known that at this point her paths have dwindled to either "Join NOL" or "Die rotting" *She may be kind, but I sense it's more out of politeness or necessity. - Where did you come up with that? There are no proofs that she did something impolite or unnecessarily when it's behind everyone else's. Dark Litchi will never happen. Edited November 12, 2012 by ChrisX
Wild Candy Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 Yeah, those are some good points. I think it's personally fairly noble that Lichi cares so much, and I didn't think of it from the point of view that she was being corrupted to, and needed a cure. The main reason I was arguing against Litchi and her general character, is because people think that her rich back story gives her the excuse to show as much clevage as possible, and that Makoto, who dealt with species inequality and is desperately trying to keep her friends from fighting, was kind of a cliche and that did not justify her under-boob. Bottom Line - Characters dress the way they do because that's how there design. I mean, some good looking women with some revealing clothing is a good way to attract a certain audience. It just goes along the line, "you can't judge a book by it's cover" and stuff like that.
ChrisX Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 I am not quite offensive on Makoto's underboob, although there was a time I was mad that she looked like she stole Litchi's thunder of both 'fanservice queen' and 'pillar of morality'. Now... not so much, I guess. Maybe because it's the story that develops, and everyone have their place. That being said, I'll be honest that Bullet currently bores me amongst the newest cast (compared to Amane and Azrael), but that may change if her story is revealed to be more than "RAWR! REVENGE! DIE, KOKONOE, DIE!!" But the way it is, Litchi's quote about 'Can't judge the book by its cover' also held meaning that right now, the cliche is that 'Cute is good, sexy is evil'. Litchi very much defies that role, she's just as good even if her dress is provocative (not to mention, she wore that because she found it hard to find concealing clothes of her size) But I wish more people would see Litchi more than 'Self-destructively obsessed thus not deserving of praise'. Again, she's rebelling against her own fate to succumb to her corruption. If Ragna gets the praise for doing the same, I don't see why Litchi should be excluded, really. Just because she joins NOL doesn't mean she must be labelled as a 'moronic traitor that gets into trouble thanks to her stupidity thus undeserving of sympathy'. Truly, she gets miscredited a lot.
Circuitous Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 Please stop derailing conversations to talk about Litchi.
Wild Candy Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 Sorry. i wonder if they changed the general animations of Astrals, or just the one's for the characters who got there Astrals replaced. (Noel, Carl, Litchi, etc.)
ChrisX Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 No, you shouldn't be sorry. This is a STORY THREAD, we spoke of Litchi's potential of roles in-story, and just recently, scans about her from Famitsu are released. I don't see why that counts as a derail. (By all means, mods, if I sound like I'm being an ass to your standards, drop me the banhammer already)
Chaoschao222 Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 I'm not gonna lie and say I read hardly anything that was said recently, because most of it looked stupid, but from what I did see, the topics were more about Litchi's appearance and sympathy surrounding her rather than anything to do with the recent famitsu info or anything regarding her in CP itself (though reflecting her CS actions is fine). Either way, I don't really have much to say here, but if Circ feels that things need to stop, then they should stop.
ChrisX Posted November 12, 2012 Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) You said 'Reflecting her actions in CS is fine'? Uh... isn't that what we've been doing in these latest posts? With me supporting and sympathizing, and the majority of the rest thinking of how unsympathetic she is. Please, if there's something wrong in my definition of 'reflecting her actions', you can tell. Edited November 12, 2012 by ChrisX
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