[CP1.1] Makoto Nanaya's Gameplay Discussion - When's 2.0?

[Bibiquadium]

Her lvl 2 Drives are nothing compared to the low lvl 3s in Extend. I don't see the CP execution as some sort of challenge anymore.

[Kenrou.Horo]

Yeah I'm not too worried about level 2 drives either. I'm actually glad that level 2 is becoming more purposeful lol.

Also, can we combo off CH midscreen cosmic ray?

[HiagoX]

Yeah I'm not too worried about level 2 drives either. I'm actually glad that level 2 is becoming more purposeful lol.

Also, can we combo off CH midscreen cosmic ray?

Pretty sure you can combo off normal hit Cosmic Ray by following it up with 2A.

[Dark Ranger88]

Quick question here guys. Do most of you still frame trap in between 5C and 5CC?

I didn't play Mak at all in CS2 and I remember hearing about this being a huge part of her pressure. However, I haven't heard many people talk about it in Extend.

I tried to incorporate this once while playing online, but it seemed that the timing on the 5CC part was somewhat strict and difficult. Either the 5CC wasn't a frametrap when I did it, or I just stood there and did nothing (because I waited too late and the 5CC didn't come out at all).

Did they make the window for this frametrap tighter in Extend as one of the nerfs to Makoto? Or has it always been this way and I just have to get used to it?

tldr: Is 5C -> 5CC frametrap still viable and should I learn it?

[Bibiquadium]

5CC overall still serves the same purpose, if you manage to CH5C standing or crouching you can link into 2C else continue your usual business.

[Eshi]

I mean it's still a frame trap therefore it will frame trap but 5CC is fucking terrible on block. I'd rather do 5C > 214AC. I seriously can't remember the last time I purposefully input 5CC on block.

Addendum: I also can't remember the last time I played this game.

Edited September 5, 2013 by Eshi

[Errol]

not really sure it's the same exactly in CP, since 214AC is going to be really tight after 5cc and pretty close if not tight on other stuff

[Dark Ranger88]

I mean it's still a frame trap therefore it will frame trap but 5CC is fucking terrible on block. I'd rather do 5C > 214AC. I seriously can't remember the last time I purposefully input 5CC on block.

Isn't 5C worse on block than 5CC though? It's -5 vs -3.

Or do you mean that people are looking to IB/do stuff after 5CC so by omitting it you catch them off guard while still frame trapping?

[Errol]

in EX if they IB 5cc they can punish you for it no matter what, like ragna doing hells fang. that is the difference, but it isn't true in CP.

[Eshi]

in EX if they IB 5cc they can punish you for it no matter what, like ragna doing hells fang. that is the difference, but it isn't true in CP.

Yeah I remember it being like -7 or -9 so I just stopped using it. wiki says BBCP 5CC is -3 so that's a really good change.

[Kenrou.Horo]

So what color palette(s) are you guys gonna be using in CP?

I'm gonna be using the Zessica reference color (#13), and maybe occasionally the Ragna reference color (#14)

[LeDom]

Chie, all day every day.

[Yazumatto]

Whatever is the least used. #hipster

Real talk, I dunno. Most of them look good.

[swordsman09]

I'm with LeDom on this one.

Chie, all day every day.

I also agree with Yazu that most of them look pretty good so I'll probably just pick it from random. I remember using palette 4 a lot in EX. I am absolutely mad now that the Chie palette looks exactly like it AND I'm probably gonna have to pay to use it.

[Bibiquadium]

I usually pick a different color for each instalation. Skunkoto CS1 Sol Order CS2 White and Blue Extend, we'll see for CP

[Dark Ranger88]

Ill probably jump around to a few different ones: 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, 14, and 16 are the ones that appeal to me.

I'll most likely be maining #9 though, because it's so feminine. Special mentions to 13 for being an anime reference to my current avatar (even if it's supposed to be a Zessica palette) and 14 for reminding me of all the genderbent Ragna art I've viewed (and combining it with the hotness that is Makoto).

Edited September 8, 2013 by Dark Ranger88

[OmniSScythe]

Yokoto

Probably 7 or 10 for tournament, anything else for casuals.

[milesw]

Moved to kyoto last week and finally got to sit down with cp. The drives def feel shorter in terms of hit stun and this new shooting star is awkward as fk 6c>214ac>236d~d>etc

Also thank god for this training mode feature. Anyone want anything simple tested?

Random but yesterday i saw Latif out of all the people in the arcade i chose lol

Edited September 10, 2013 by milesw

[swordsman09]

Latif? Really? lol

I'm pretty sure the new Shooting Star is gonna take some time to get use to. You could always just try to not use Asteroid Vision if that works.

[Yazumatto]

So Dora says that Makoto is the worst character in the game for the second game in the row on Twitter. He said a bunch of things in moonrunes about her so I couldn't read it but he said all this in English. Bottom tier is no longer synonymous with Tager Tier now. Makoto tier is the new Tager tier now.

Oh and he apparently called her "the king of fish."

Aww yeah, time to whip out dat bottom-tier OS again...

...

Edited September 26, 2013 by Yazumatto

[Eshi]

valkenhyn = top tier wolf = eats low tier fish

Outside of valken taokaka hazama litch rachel, is everyone FISH? (Zoners = defense / passive / Keep away characters)

no.top-middle-fish.3tier

this is one of the most amusing asks I've ever read.

[Yazumatto]

Funny thing is Valk got nerfed. Matchup doesn't look as awful anymore but it's still a struggle.

Dora is a fucking guy though lol. He's one of those guys you'd rather watch him play than listen to him talk about tier lists.

[MoneyD90]

Not going to feed Dora's trolling attempt but I will admit when you compare Makoto to the rest of the cast she is clearly lacking. Still don't care and still playing her as my main.

[Teutonicknight]

I am kind of re-considering buying CP, mainly because they only made Makoto artificially better. Better wall carry, midscreen damage, OD does something, etc, all that mumbo jumbo. Where's the buffs to her actual moveset? you know, the fun stuff? All I see are nerfs outside of the "good" I mentioned. Useless stargazer? No thanks...

[HiagoX]

I am kind of re-considering buying CP, mainly because they only made Makoto artificially better. Better wall carry, midscreen damage, OD does something, etc, all that mumbo jumbo. Where's the buffs to her actual moveset? you know, the fun stuff? All I see are nerfs outside of the "good" I mentioned. Useless stargazer? No thanks...

what the fuck