Guilty Gear Stories (spoilers abound!)

[Silmerion]

It's okay. We'll just wait until Blade gets here and explains everything in one really long awesome post.

[Suzaku]

I'm not sure if it even really matters. Lots of Gears were human to begin with, including Sol and Testament. If you have Gear Cells, you've got Gear Cells, and I don't really think there's been anything of consequence to indicate that crossbreeding dilutes it.

[Zazz]

I'm not sure if it even really matters. Lots of Gears were human to begin with, including Sol and Testament. If you have Gear Cells, you've got Gear Cells, and I don't really think there's been anything of consequence to indicate that crossbreeding dilutes it.

my thoughts exactly

so has anyone been working on translating those artbook stories?

[Lou_Cypher]

I wanna see!

Anyways, theory:

Frederick, That Man, and Aria are somewhat involved in a love triangle. That Man thought turning Frederick into a prototype GEAR would get Aria to reject him. During that process though, Aria found out and through an accident...died. Frederick swears to kill That Man. That Man later on, uses Aria's cells to create the first true GEAR to keep the memory of Aria alive. Other researchers see this and want to use the Aria clone, Justice, into a weapon. Not what That Man intended....etc.

Don't believe any of that stuff I made up. Could be a good fanfic though if I have time. Speaking of which, I think I'll add on another chapter to this one... http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4322449/1/FateGear_Paradox (Reviews please!)

[Blade]

Let's clear something up here, the ONLY time Dizzy is even RUMORED to be a "Half-human Gear" is in her PWAB profile, but even PWAB can neither confirm nor deny the rumor. With this in mind, consider that Gears have, so far, come in several flavors:

Converted Gear:

So far this is considered the "primary" method that most "upper class" gears are created, usually from human subjects. It is the method used to convert Sol, Solaria, Testament, and noteably Justice. It isn't certain if MegaDeath Class Gears are created this way, only that Command Types are, they are more than likely a breed of high-level Manufactured Gear. Finally, it should be noted that memories of the conversion are often retained on this level, in particular though, the only two who can claim this ability of memory retention are Testament (called the "Gear of Distortion" by Potemkin), and Sol himself.

Manufactured Gear:

This is a subset method of mass-production Gears that was used for Military purposes...usually with animals and/or elemental fusion. I believe Servants and Master Ghost could quite possibly fall under this category. Dr. Paradigm, despite his intelligence, along with the rest of his friends fall under this category. It is through this subset that Kinjuu (forbidden magics/forbidden beasts) are manufactured as anti-Gear bioweapons.

Gear-Cell Modification:

While this particular method does not entirely fall under "becoming a Gear", it can in large amounts or the proper use of cell structure. A primary example is taking doses of "Vitae" which are specifically harvested gear cells intended to replace damaged cells and regenerate any inefficiencies in the body...however this method is incomplete and imperfect as the cells will be rejected by the body if they react to a Command Type's song. The cells also tend to rupture the body as a result. A "second" method (**theoretically**) is that of obtaining gear cells through DNA fusion via That Man's device known as The Cube. The Cube doesn't simply contain DNA Information extracted from Justice, though that is the end result, but it does contain "code" that is vital to the Backyard's existence and that "code" is able to replicate DNA information from it's Key and rebuild it, the result being Diva...a hybrid of Justice and Valentine, which may or may not fall entirely under the class of a Full Gear.

Cloned/Replica/Backup Gear:

This method is never fully explained in absolute detail, nor is it entirely understood in and of itself. The variants of "clones" varies from an android to a "bio replica" which may or may not be perfect, given the circumstance in which it was created/converted/etc. What is known is that even cloned or backup Gear DNA in small amounts is capable of being utilized either through cell harvesting or possibly gear cell modification.

Facts that remain:

Having read the interview of Daisuke that Theria recently translated, I've come to the conclusion that sometime during her existence, Justice became pregnant. Now, this may have happened before her Gear Conversion (also note that her being converted from a human woman is established as fact) or during the time she existed as a Gear, either is plausible but none are confirmed so we cannot say with absolute clarity whether her "offspring" was human, gear, half, both, or otherwise, even if Dizzy acknowledges Justice as her mother, which appears to have been on a genetic level, though Daisuke isn't explicit in that or to what extent of a Gear Dizzy may be.

Possibilities:

--Since we know that Justice was once human (female), it's quite possible that she may have been pregnant before her conversion, which may make for quite a twist of things if she was pregnant while being converted.

--Though Daisuke has said that Justice and Dizzy have a mother-daughter relationship (even on a genetic level), it is still quite possible that Dizzy is a clone of Justice...but we cannot say for certain, and that her "true child" may exist elsewhere...

--We cannot say for certain what happened to Justice's body either during her conversion, during being sealed in Dimensional Prison, or what happened to her body (which could have been harvested for cells) after Sol killed her...there are too many open questions that remain.

Other things:

There is a link between Valentine and Aria that has been established, however it should be noted that Valentine was sent from an existence known as "Compassionless Apocalypse" that has not been described in detail. We don't even know if this existence is related to Gears or not, or even if Valentine was a Gear to begin with (though she obtains Justice's Gear cells to become Diva). I believe it is safe to assume that Compassionless Apocalypse may indeed have some connection with Aria...though this has yet to be established, or confirmed, it is only speculation on my part.

Finally, concerning Aria...we do not know if she is alive or dead, only that somehow Valentine resembles her (or did, before she was converted into Diva and killed by Sol).

What about Sin?:

As far as we know, Sin is "to some degree" Human, and "to some degree" Gear...we do not know the entire extent of his Genetic makeup...only that it contains Justice's DNA which acts as the "Key" to the Cube, nothing more.

[Zazz]

going by that info that said ky's wife is 8 years old, it also said that she is quite well educated.

so i decided to look back at the AC website and noticed this for Diz

A child of the union between Gear and Man. Since she was born, Dizzy has grown at an incredible rate, so in spite of her appearance, she’s actually only three years old. Dizzy is excellent in gathering data, and her mental age is equivalent to a twenty year old human. Sweet and pure, she treats humans and nature with care and love. She hates the notion of fighting.

so if this works out, she's probably one smart little cookie.

funnily enough, as the 50 Questions points out, Dr. P having the ability to learn may just be a fluke in his case.

[Blade]

Not to pop the bubble that is Aksys Games' hard work at translating profiles but:

It is said that when Dizzy was abandoned in the village as an orphan, she was just a human child. An old couple with no one to depend on took care of her. After half a year, the people of the village became scared of her because of the speed at which her body and mind developed. One day, Dizzy found that she had wings and a tail. It was then that the villagers decided to expel her as a Gear. But her foster parents did not agree, so they hid her in the woods, away from the people of the village. She was placed in an area called "the devil's living place," a place that no one dared to approach. Living alone there in a cave, her shelter was eventually discovered by humans and she was put away in confinement. The humans tried to hurt her several times but she always drove them away without seriously wounding anyone. To escape the cruel abuse, Dizzy finally decided to leave her dear old home...

Born from a Gear and a human. Her growth has been dramatic, and despite her appearance, she's only just turned three years old. Her thirst for knowledge is ravenous, however, and her mental age is already above 20. Separated from others, her distrust of humans is the only blemish upon her soul. Enjoys interacting with nature and other people, but hates warfare with a passion. Far from a pacifist, though, she sees the existence of humans and their destruction of the environment as just a part of a natural cycle-one that's dealt her a cruel fate to fight against.

Report #6690

Name: Dizzy

The subject's conditions of birth are unknown, but according to uncertain info she is reported to be half-Gear, half-human.

Including Testament (see Report #3360), all known Gears are Subordinate Types, and are subject to the command type Justice. Because of this, after the destruction of Justice, most Gears became inoperational.

The subject does not appear to have that restriction. On the contrary, there is a possibility that the subject might be able to cause other Gears to become operational.

Recently, there were witnesses to the fact that the subject was acting together with the human-type Gear Testament.

The subject was recently reported to have been destroyed by the bounty hunter Jam, but there is the possibility that this report is false.

Confirming the subject's life or death, and if alive controlling or destroying the subject is top priority.

Risk Rating: S++

This is Ed Chang's translation of it, so keep that in mind. Also, even if it says Gear and Human, the details are blurry at best.

[Zazz]

i'd say translations of later game material take precedence over older games also the Bureau report is made within the context of being written in the universe by some character (named or otherwise), and is thus fallible. but since the storyline bits exist as merely press material for the game, they exist outside such a realm. I think things just got a bit meta.

[Silmerion]

i'd say translations of later game material take precedence over older games

also the Bureau report is made within the context of being written in the universe by some character (named or otherwise), and is thus fallible.

but since the storyline bits exist as merely press material for the game, they exist outside such a realm.

I think things just got a bit meta.

OH SNAP

*Brain explodes*

[Blade]

Not sure what you mean by "meta"...

[Silmerion]

Not sure what you mean by "meta"...

Metaphysical, maybe?

[Zazz]

Meta is sometimes used to refer Metafiction or Metagaming. basically it refers to how works of fiction are connected to the real world and how such connections affect that fictional realm. not to be confused with Metaknight, who is apparently top tier in Brawl. or so i've been told.

[Blade]

Well, I had a conversation with Theria again and some things were brought to light (speculation perhaps, but enlightening nonetheless)

[20:26] Blade Galewind: Gah

[20:26] Blade Galewind: I hate it when things are obfuscating

[20:26] Theria: Gah?

[20:26] Blade Galewind: Confusing/blurry

[20:26] Blade Galewind: So is Dizzy Half-Gear? Quarter Gear?

[20:27] Blade Galewind: I read your Q+A

[20:27] Blade Galewind: Justice was Preggers

[20:27] Blade Galewind: I wonder if she was knocked up before or after her conversion...

[20:27] Blade Galewind: Also

[20:28] Blade Galewind: I'm not entirely sure if Dizzy is really her daughter or just a clone

[20:28] Theria: Dizzy is DESCRIBED as Half Gear because she allegedly has human and Gear parents.

[20:28] Blade Galewind: Exactly

[20:29] Blade Galewind: Her AC Bio says "A child of the union between Gear and Man."

[20:29] Theria: So she isn't like just about all of the other Gears who were converted from some other core base

[20:30] Blade Galewind: But is she the "same" as Sin?

[20:30] Blade Galewind: Or different?

[20:30] Blade Galewind: Or is he only 1/4th Gear?

[20:31] Theria: I think the implication is that they were both "born" with their Gear cells, not converted/reconstructed.

[20:31] Blade Galewind: Yeah, but people are going based on the whole "half-saiyan"/"quarter-saiyan" fan-junk

[20:31] Theria: The Gear cells you can consider the "dominant" gene types, so description of "half" and "quarter" would only help in knowing that their ancestry includes those who were not Gears

[20:32] Theria: Saiya-jin is an ACTUAL gene pool that is compatible with homo sapien DNA (IMO). Gear cells is higher and overrides such distinctions.

[20:33] Blade Galewind: Is that speculation or is it based on how genes work?

[20:34] Theria: Both.

[20:34] Blade Galewind: Nani kore?

[20:34] Theria: XD

[20:34] Blade Galewind: Okay, let me get this straight:

[20:35] Theria: The idea in DBZ when they talk about quarter and half, the DNA lineage is still being inherited from both parents but obviously it keeps getting "cut in half" with generations.

[20:35] Blade Galewind: Because "natural genetics" are "natural" and not "synthetic" they "override" synthetic?

[20:36] Theria: Gear cells came from a project designed to advance human evolution. They are rewriting the DNA of the host (with what I have no idea) and will continue to rewrite EVERY DNA strand in the host's body.

[20:37] Blade Galewind: That would explain the accellerated development/growth

[20:38] Theria: That Man worked something related to how the Backyard works into this but if you were to have the offspring of a Gear and a non-Gear, the Gear cells would convert EVERYTHING to follow the Gear cell. As such, what is inherited from the non-Gear parent is probably inconsequential.

[20:38] Theria: There doesn't appear to be any true "mixing"

[20:38] Blade Galewind: Hmm...I see how you could say that.

[20:39] Blade Galewind: Then what exactly is Valentine?

[20:39] Blade Galewind: I don't recall her being classified as a Gear...

[20:39] Theria: Because she isn't

[20:39] Blade Galewind: At least before she incorporated gear cells into her body and became Diva

[20:40] Theria: However being born of the Backyard, despite her "cloning" of Aria, doesn't make her human either

[20:40] Theria: Oh, and those "hanging horns" on her head ARE part of her body

[20:40] Blade Galewind: I'm aware of that

[20:42] Blade Galewind: Hmm

[20:43] Blade Galewind: Well, if Valentine isn't a Gear and Raven isn't a Gear....and That Man isn't a Gear either...

[20:43] Blade Galewind: What about ??? and I-no....too

[20:43] Theria: Sharon isn't a Gear

[20:43] Blade Galewind: Man...so many unknowns...

[20:43] Blade Galewind: They aren't human...or at least "more" than Human

[20:43] Theria: Well, Sharon and Raven are human aberrations

[20:43] Theria: That Man, well, he's a de-aging freak of nature XD

[20:43] Blade Galewind: OMG

[20:44] Blade Galewind: HE'S BENJAMIN BUTTON

[20:44] Theria: ....

[20:44] Theria: ROTFL

[20:44] Blade Galewind: Sorry

[20:44] Blade Galewind: I was just reading that yesterday

[20:44] Blade Galewind: And it dawned on me

[20:45] Blade Galewind: I take it you've read F. Scott Fitzgerald

[20:45] Theria: No, saw the trailer for the movie

[20:46] Blade Galewind: lol

Still, no idea what some characters are...

[Big K]

Now I'm confused. Isn't this topic supposed to be about gears and how Sin is related to Dizzy?

[Blade]

He may or may not be related though, that's just it. It's in debate.

[Zazz]

well other than Gears, we also have magical/mythical creatures. I think such a catch all category would cover folks like Izuna and Slayer. Maybe S-ko too. But the most obvious example I would pose as "More Than Human" would be Faust.

[Big K]

Yeah and you know something, Potemkin is a bit too inhuman. He is born being big, that is just wrong. And most big guys who are huge are either monsters, robots or gamma related. And as for May, she is really inhuman. Though the reason why she can carry an anchor might be either chi or steroids, cause if not. . . damn.

[JinSaotome]

Meta is sometimes used to refer Metafiction or Metagaming. basically it refers to how works of fiction are connected to the real world and how such connections affect that fictional realm.

Well, when Kaneto Shiozawa died, so did Zato...

[Zazz]

Yeah and you know something, Potemkin is a bit too inhuman. He is born being big, that is just wrong. And most big guys who are huge are either monsters, robots or gamma related.

And as for May, she is really inhuman. Though the reason why she can carry an anchor might be either chi or steroids, cause if not. . . damn.

funny you should mention those two. as i recall, potemkin is a modified human created as slave soldier for Zepp using their technologies

as for May, i think the drama CD says she was involved in that orphanage/secret lab as one of those kids before millia trashed the place and then johnny picked her up.

[Big K]

Well I kinda understand Potemkin reason for being huge (science is a good way for being a big guy). But May, I still think its because she is Japanesse. Only Japs can use chi to gain such incredible human features

[Suzaku]

well other than Gears, we also have magical/mythical creatures. I think such a catch all category would cover folks like Izuna and Slayer. Maybe S-ko too.

But the most obvious example I would pose as "More Than Human" would be Faust.

Well, in the interview, Ishiwatari talks about how there have been youkai all through the history of the Earth, and that just continues up through GG. And, of course, in the games, you have vampires and ghosts and things, not to mention the stuff you can see in backgrounds of the stages. Then there's also robots, at least one homonculi, and a whole bunch of other insanity.

I believe that at least some of Faust's abilities are implied to be the result of self-surgery, for example, in Lightning the Argent, he offers to perform a surgery on Ky that would let him turn his head a full 360 degrees, like he can.

As for the relationship between Fred, Aria, and That Man. I'm pretty sure That Man says that he and Fred killed Aria, either figuratively or literally.

Fred and That Man were also supposed to be very close, and from what I can gather, it's probably more likely that when That Man witnessed "God's Merciless Revelation", he set the Gear Project into motion in order to prepare for it, since all through the series he's talking about how the humans and Gears will need to cooperate in order to face the future disaster.

Since Valentine is supposed to be from "God's Merciless Revelation", I wonder if that's also where Raven is from? It would certainly help explain why he and Valentine share the same Tribe.

[Lou_Cypher]

Ishiwatare's giving us the shrug of God you know?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShrugOfGod

[Lou_Cypher]

Okay, I just looked at the official site and now something's bugging me. The catalyst of the war was a Gear once originally docile to humans. During the development of Gears, it was the only one authorized to be complete, an ultimate weapon withan absolute power to command others of its kind. Without warning and without reason, she declared war against humanity, calling herself Justice, and took with her all the Gears in existence. Thus began the Crusades. And then Civilization entered a new era of peace, but they never knew what caused Justice to go berserk. So....what did cause Justice to go berserk? I feel something more than just humans using other Gears as weapons.

[Blade]

So....what did cause Justice to go berserk? I feel something more than just humans using other Gears as weapons.

The question is asked in the GG2 Manual, but there are a number of ways it could be answered:

--Justice called herself "just a weapon" when she fought Sol in his original GG ending, this implies that she either figured it out or was told by someone (who that someone might be is a mystery but it's possible they are the catalyst and not Justice herself). In a way this implies that she is rebelling against her creators, that she is "Justice", correcting a mistake that was her creation as a weapon.

--Justice becomes, at some point in time, pregnant. It's my understanding (seeing as I'm not a woman, obviously) that getting pregnant can become a big deal to women and is, to a philosophical and spiritual extent, a very trying and life-changing experience. It affects a woman emotionally (mood swings, defensiveness, dependency, loneliness, etc) and physically (morning sickness, uneasy body functions, unnatural bleeding, sensitivity, etc). What one person may call "berserk" may just be a woman protecting herself from her point of view. No offense ladies, but nature says you avoid females when they are pregnant or with their young brood as they can be even more dangerous than the rowdiest males. If you've ever seen the pair of movies "Kill Bill" and "Kill Bill 2" you'd understand what I'm referring to.

--It's Sol who says this outright, "Gears are a symbol of all that's wrong with the world." And in a sense Justice learned that her existence and powers granted her were tantamount to that. She also says with irony that "Humans use Gears to fight wars in their stead." hinting at how destructive humanity is capable of being by comparison. If you consider that, the term "Berserker" is really a misnomer in Justice's case as humans can be even more aggressive. Basically, the narrator who considers Justice "berserk" is just an example of the "Pot calling the Kettle black".

[Zazz]

been playing GG2. Dr. P is confirmed to be the most awesome gear ever. he uses SCIENCE and FAIRIES to fight. :D also not a bird.