Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Zedar90]

Wait, you mean to tell me that Hazama's host body, Kazuma, is actually an Azure Grimoire given flesh?

Hazama is not Kazuma (I think, are a little unsure when thinking about it but Im sure Kazuma went in togheter with Hakumen and Terumi into the boundary), but yes, The hazama body is the Grimoire.

Edited October 27, 2013 by Zedar90

[Luminos564]

Hazama is not Kazuma (I think, are a little unsure when thinking about it but Im sure Kazuma went in togheter with Hakumen and Terumi into the boundary), but yes, The hazama body is the Grimoire.

That would explain his freakish ghost form then.

Oh yeah, small question: does Tager actually do anything in CP? I mean, considering Kokonoe is being more active this time around and all.

[Keaton]

Hazama is not Kazuma (I think, are a little unsure when thinking about it but Im sure Kazuma went in togheter with Hakumen and Terumi into the boundary), but yes, The hazama body is the Grimoire.

I don't quite understand how that works; Kazuma's body is the same body currently being used by Terumi, correct? As in Kazuma's body in the games is simply referred to as "Hazama" as part of Terumi's former alias? I don't see how them being in the boundary makes a difference, as he came back the same body (which belonged to Kazuma) and hasn't gotten a new one since as far as I am aware?

[VermilionBird]

I don't quite understand how that works; Kazuma's body is the same body currently being used by Terumi, correct? As in Kazuma's body in the games is simply referred to as "Hazama" as part of Terumi's former alias? I don't see how them being in the boundary makes a difference, as he came back the same body (which belonged to Kazuma) and hasn't gotten a new one since as far as I am aware?

Relius makes new bodies for Hazama. Look at Relius' arcade ending in BBCSEX for example. He either makes a new one or repairs the old one. This has probably happened before so its not safe to assume that the current body that Hazama is in is Kazuma. On the other hand, for Terumi, that is indeed the Kazuma body (as far as I am aware)

[Keaton]

Relius makes new bodies for Hazama. Look at Relius' arcade ending in BBCSEX for example. He either makes a new one or repairs the old one. This has probably happened before so its not safe to assume that the current body that Hazama is in is Kazuma. On the other hand, for Terumi, that is indeed the Kazuma body (as far as I am aware)

Wait, wha? How can he make bodies for Hazama and not Terumi when they're always in the same body? Forgive if I'm just being stupid and missing the point of what you're saying. I'd personally assumed that the body was just repaired each time it got damaged considering all the trouble he went through merging with Kazuma, but I had considered the fact that he either had backup bodies or had Relius make him new ones.

[VermilionBird]

Wait, wha? How can he make bodies for Hazama and not Terumi when they're always in the same body? Forgive if I'm just being stupid and missing the point of what you're saying. I'd personally assumed that the body was just repaired each time it got damaged considering all the trouble he went through merging with Kazuma, but I had considered the fact that he either had backup bodies or had Relius make him new ones.

Terumi and Hazama are referred to as separate entities. The playable character Yuki Terumi has Kazuma's body. The playable character Hazama may not

[Zedar90]

I don't quite understand how that works; Kazuma's body is the same body currently being used by Terumi, correct? As in Kazuma's body in the games is simply referred to as "Hazama" as part of Terumi's former alias? I don't see how them being in the boundary makes a difference, as he came back the same body (which belonged to Kazuma) and hasn't gotten a new one since as far as I am aware?

Takamagahara-System only released the Spirit body(精神体) for the edge.

[Keaton]

Terumi and Hazama are referred to as separate entities. The playable character Yuki Terumi has Kazuma's body. The playable character Hazama may not

Ahhh okay, I was aware that they were now being referred to as separate entities but since it hasn't really been confirmed yet how that works I thought you were referring to the story previous to that.

[YoYoCheese]

So let me get this straight.

When Takamagahara released Terumi from the Boundary, they only released his ghost form and left the Kazuma body sealed. Relius then made a second body, Hazama, for him. For some reason during the story, Trinity transferred Terumi back to the Kazuma body and that is the Yuuki Terumi we play as. Hazama, who has a mind and personality of his own, is then left in control of his own body again.

Is this correct?

[Zedar90]

Maybe this will make the situation of the Prime Fields more clear... Taken from the Library:

Boundary Interface Prime Field

Dolls made to explore the deep parts of the boundary. The starting point, "0th Prime field"s creator is said to be Relius Clover however the truth is not known.

From the start it was only a doll made to observe the boundary but from a certain experiment it got a soul. After that several organizations used the 0th prime field's data as base and tried to create Prime fields however no one reached to the KUSANAGI.

After the start of Ikaruga Civil War a person calling himself Relius Clover started to create prime fields and created no.11, no.12 and no.13. These three prime field had a person known as Saya as base.

So let me get this straight.

When Takamagahara released Terumi from the Boundary, they only released his ghost form and left the Kazuma body sealed. Relius then made a second body, Hazama, for him. For some reason during the story, Trinity transferred Terumi back to the Kazuma body and that is the Yuuki Terumi we play as. Hazama, who has a mind and personality of his own, is then left in control of his own body again.

Is this correct?

I'm not sure if Kazuma got sealed together with Terumi however in the library of BB:CP it clearly states only the spirit body got released. Terumi then used Noel to "fuse" spirit body with Hazama in the end of CT. You could say Terumi steers Hazama like a remote controlled Robot but Trinity made him direct control instead. And later Terumi somehow became a Doppelgänger because of it but still somehow connected to Hazama.

[Malcopunch]

What role does Noel have in the story?

[Zedar90]

What role does Noel have in the story?

Help awakening Izayoi, help sending Ragna to the Past, open the door to where the lynchpin is and get forcefully synchronized with Nu so Nu can open the Nemesis Horizon. Its about that, could have forgotten some parts.

[Malcopunch]

Help awakening Izayoi, help sending Ragna to the Past, open the door to where the lynchpin is and get forcefully synchronized with Nu so Nu can open the Nemesis Horizon. Its about that, could have forgotten some parts.

What happens to her at the end?

[Zedar90]

What happens to her at the end?

I thought first bedridden but that was only Jin, She only got lightly wounded after fighting Beast Ragna.

[Luminos564]

I thought first bedridden but that was only Jin, She only got lightly wounded after fighting Beast Ragna.

Oh whew. For a second there I thought Beast Ragna actually did something terrible .

By the way, how much time has passed after the incident in the Epilogue where the world no longer has seithr and Ragna has disappeared?

[Zedar90]

Oh whew. For a second there I thought Beast Ragna actually did something terrible .

By the way, how much time has passed after the incident in the Epilogue where the world no longer has seithr and Ragna has disappeared?

Doesn't say, but it can't be to long since Celica is still trying to heal Jin, but at the same time Sector seven is starting to route electricity to Cities.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Question, does Azrael ever unleash Enchant Dragunuv? On Ragna, Kagura, anyone?

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[Master Of Chaos]

No. He never releases his restraints in story. I was rather disappointed.

[Crow the BOOLET]

How important was Azrael storywise?

I mean they did setup a tourney just to lure him out, but for what anyways?

[TPPR10]

For what I recall, the tournament was held to lure out both Azrael and Tsubaki.

BTW, those who have the game and have Kagura, what is his arcade ending like?

[churchblue]

If Izanami exist in the game, should Izanagi exist as well?

[Akiro]

There was a tournament held? Any details on that?

[mAc Chaos]

> tournament

when did this become Street Fighter

[Master Of Chaos]

Fake tournament held to lure out Azreal and Tsubaki by the heroes.

[Luminos564]

Isn't it weird how in ASW fighters, tournaments are used for a specific purpose that serves the plot? In Guilty Gear 1, Testament used it as a means to gather up enough blood to free Justice and ensure that humans were weakened from fighting each other, meaning less opposition for Justice as well. Here, they used it to lure out both Tsubaki and Azrael, using Ragna as bait since he was their respective target (though not for the same reasons). It is actually pretty damn clever since Tsubaki wants him caught and executed, while Azzy wants to fight him. Two birds, one stone.