Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Cerotech Omega]

As I remember, Bullet's apparent racism towards beastkin only shows up in her encounter with Valkenhayn in her arcade. It's really strange.

 

Win qoutes don't always reflect story 100%, so take them with a grain of salt in regards to canon. That being said...

 

 

 

 

SHOTS

 

FUCKING

 

FIRED.

Eh, that's just Rachel being Rachel. We saw her dissect Noel in CT commentary, too. That's one thing that doesn't change about her - if you want her opinion on you, do not expect a filter to go with it.

 

I wouldn't really say at odds. She's less hostile towards him, true, but it's not like she's being nice to him. She might also be behaving more aggressively in her arcade mode because of Takamagahara's phenomena intervention.

I had ruled that as a possibility, considering we saw other things influenced by intervention in Arcade mode as well.

[Zedar90]

The impression I got is that Bullet have no real hatred towards Beast Kin, it's only that she lumps them together (you're a beast kin, so you should know about this beast kin).

Also, during the arcade mode, Bullet could be more aggressive than normal because: 1, she is searching for Kokonoe. 2, Valkenhayn are suppoused to have a smell of blood. 3, phenomena Intervention.

[BlackYakuzu94]

So basically she's stupid :V

[mAc Chaos]

More like ignorant and naive of anything outside her combat unit.

[Volt]

Incoming wall of text. I got some questions and I got some answers.

 

First, the answers to questions I don't even know whether or not they were asked.

 

Hazama and Trinity are MIA, which means that we don't know what happened to them.

 

Hazama is confirmed to be alive since the Japanese Library confirms his life-link with Noel is still working, and Noel didn't even got bodied that hard by Beast!Ragna. (Unlike Jin, but he had it coming.)

 

Hazama is actually Kazuma from Phase Shift 1. After merging with Terumi he was shown to have absorbed and developed

some of his personality traits, and some lines in story mode has him talking to Trinity in a similar way as of the book.

Unfortunately, I've heard some rumors that the special intro of Hazama vs. Terumi was cut, which would confirm it, but I can't check the game right now.

 

Noel had to observe Hazama in the first game to fixate his existence as the merged form of Kazuma + Terumi.

It didn't work well, since it wound up with both of them inhabiting the same Hazama body using some sort of tag system. I can only theorize why, but not in this thread.

 

Terumi actually had a killable spiritual body in CP because he got observed after getting forced out of Hazama. He said that in the CP Ending.

 

Ragna got Hazama's cloth restoring power because Rachel had Noel observe him before sending him to the past. 

Due to this, after they calmed Ragna down somewhat, Noel actually used her Eye to restore Ragna's body to the state it was when she observed him.

 

The Ragna in Phase 0 is CT Ragna. CP Ragna wasn't slashed to bits and he probably didn't cross paths with Nu in the boundary to get all sorts of wrecked just by traveling in time.

Not to mention that Rachel made sure to use Tsukiyomi to protect him from the boundary effects.

CP Ragna was the Bloodedge in one of the other Phase Shift novels. Unfortunately I can't confirm which one since I neither understand enough Japanese nor have the novels.

 

Now I have some questions.

 

Can someone figure out if CP Ragna got sent to Phase Shift 3 or 4? As I said, I didn't read those.

 

XBlaze. What's that? Will it help me to try and understand CP or it's just some sort of prequel?

 

This one might be too off topic, but can't we try to form an unified project to translate the novels? Most of the information we need to understand this game is there, but the most complete translation of the novels only reached the half of PS2 and it's being done by what, 2 people?

I'm grateful, but if we don't get more people working on that we're basically having over half of the plot fly over our heads.

[SixWingedAngel]

 

Hazama is actually Kazuma from Phase Shift 1. After merging with Terumi he was shown to have absorbed and developed

some of his personality traits, and some lines in story mode has him talking to Trinity in a similar way as of the book.

Unfortunately, I've heard some rumors that the special intro of Hazama vs. Terumi was cut, which would confirm it, but I can't check the game right now. e

 

I thought it was made clear that the Kazuma body was destroyed when hakumen dragged Terumi to the boundary with Jubei's help. Then Relius made another host for Terumi's ghostly form, and that is the Hazama we know, isn't that right?

 

 

Ragna got Hazama's cloth restoring power because Rachel had Noel observe him before sending him to the past. 

Due to this, after they calmed Ragna down somewhat, Noel actually used her Eye to restore Ragna's body to the state it was when she observed him.

 

Interesting. Does that explain the whole jacket-out-of-nothing issue after Ragna comes back from the past without it? Cool if it does.

[Zedar90]

 

Can someone figure out if CP Ragna got sent to Phase Shift 3 or 4? As I said, I didn't read those.

 

XBlaze. What's that? Will it help me to try and understand CP or it's just some sort of prequel?

Ragna in the phase 0 is always Ragna from CP, Ragna's scene in the other Phase-shift is inside the Black Beast and he return's to the present at the end of phase shift 4.

 

XBLAZE is a series of two games, Code:Embryo and Lost:Memories. Lost:Memories is going to be released in the spring of 2015 in japan. Code:Embryo takes place around 150 years before CT and gives some back story about the Black Beast and the Amanohokosaka (Tenjo and Homura's) clan. And it's not known when Lost:Memories takes place, but it looks like it will have a young Nine and Celica so probably a little before the appearance of the Black Beast in the year 2100.

How much Xblaze is connected or important isn't known, only the half part of it have been released after all.

 

There is also the LN BlazBlue Bloodedge Experience, that looks to take place around 2090 and in the same worldview as Xblaze.

[Volt]

Ragna in the phase 0 is always Ragna from CP, Ragna's scene in the other Phase-shift is inside the Black Beast and he return's to the present at the end of phase shift 4.

 

XBLAZE is a series of two games, Code:Embryo and Lost:Memories. Lost:Memories is going to be released in the spring of 2015 in japan. Code:Embryo takes place around 150 years before CT and gives some back story about the Black Beast and the Amanohokosaka (Tenjo and Homura's) clan. And it's not known when Lost:Memories takes place, but it looks like it will have a young Nine and Celica so probably a little before the appearance of the Black Beast in the year 2100.

How much Xblaze is connected or important isn't known, only the half part of it have been released after all.

 

There is also the LN BlazBlue Bloodedge Experience, that looks to take place around 2090 and in the same worldview as Xblaze.

 

I'm tripping. Didn't Bloodedge die in Phase 0 to make the Black Beast go dormant? Jubei said that everytime he spoke anything about Bloodedge. Yet Rachel did say that she was going to send Ragna to "Zero". And Ragna could only know about the method to activate the lynchpin if he went to Phase 0.

 

Did Mori went out of his way to create a plot hole just before the final game? What is this, Moon Logic Puzzle: The Game?

[Zedar90]

I'm tripping. Didn't Bloodedge die in Phase 0 to make the Black Beast go dormant? Jubei said that everytime he spoke anything about Bloodedge. Yet Rachel did say that she was going to send Ragna to "Zero". And Ragna could only know about the method to activate the lynchpin if he went to Phase 0.

 

Did Mori went out of his way to create a plot hole just before the final game? What is this, Moon Logic Puzzle: The Game?

No, Ragna didn't die, he was still alive inside the Black Beast after he jumped into it. He was inside it until the very end, and right before it disappeared Rachel sent him back to the present. The "Zero" that Rachel mentioned was phase zero, the very first time loop.

[Volt]

No, Ragna didn't die, he was still alive inside the Black Beast after he jumped into it. He was inside it until the very end, and right before it disappeared Rachel sent him back to the present. The "Zero" that Rachel mentioned was phase zero, the very first time loop.

 

Really? I didn't notice that in Phase 0. When did it happen?

[Zedar90]

Really? I didn't notice that in Phase 0. When did it happen?

During his talk with Clavis, Ragna says that he came from the year 2200. That is the clearest part about it what one can read in phase 0. There are two Ragna running around during the dark wars, one is the body of the black beast, and the other one is Bloodedge that got sent from the future by Rachel.

 

The library in CP also outright says Bloodedge = Ragna sent to the past by Rachel.

[Volt]

"Then, I shall ask you the most recent of those memories you have recovered... Can you tell me what year this is?"

"...2199 AD. Nah, we just had a new year so it should be 2200 AD."

"This is presently the year of 2106 AD, young man."

"......"

Ragna fell silent. Clavis continued talking.

 

Screw this, I'm outta here. Retcons, Retcons everywhere.

[Narroo]

Noel vs. Valkenhayn
Mister, are you a beastkin...?
Being able to transform must be amazing!
And, umm... do you mind if I touch your tail?

 

...Honestly I kinda want to too, except Valkenhayn is a jerk.

[ZenTzen]

can someone explain to me what this Alpha-01 deal that mori has on his twitter is about, looks like a genderbent murakumo version of Ragna with sword/scythe and everything, i'm confused

[Zedar90]

can someone explain to me what this Alpha-01 deal that mori has on his twitter is about, looks like a genderbent murakumo version of Ragna with sword/scythe and everything, i'm confused

In October of 2013, arc released an arc book, in that there was a picture of Alpha drawn by Mori with the name for the image being ???.

Later Mori added a banner to his twitter with another version of the same image, but with the name added.

And in September Mori uploded a sketch of alpha on his twitter.

 

That is all that is known about Alpha.

Then there are speculation, such as that it's the merge of Nu and Ragna (due to one being told that the Black Beast is made when the marge fails and the other being the end message in CP with Ragna and Nu's emblem being shown together with the BlazBlue emblem).

Alpha looking like Ragna, both's names have about the same meaning, Apocalypse Ragna(rök)

[mAc Chaos]

During his talk with Clavis, Ragna says that he came from the year 2200. That is the clearest part about it what one can read in phase 0. There are two Ragna running around during the dark wars, one is the body of the black beast, and the other one is Bloodedge that got sent from the future by Rachel.

 

The library in CP also outright says Bloodedge = Ragna sent to the past by Rachel.

They're both Bloodedge though right?

[Zedar90]

They're both Bloodedge though right?

"Bloodedge" is the name used for Ragna who got sent back to the past by Rachel in CP only. "Bloodedge" met with Celica, Jubei, Clavis, Valkenhayn, small Rachel, Trinity, Nine and Shuuichirou. He later jumped into the Black Beast and stayed there during the rest of the dark war. Time went slower for Ragna inside the Black Beast, with the exception when Celica was inside it as well. Ragna thought only a few minutes had passed while it really had been years.

During the final part of the war, Ragna killed Nu inside the Black Beast, and later Rachel sent Ragna back to present. 

Rachel pretty much destroyed the timeline when Ragna got sent back to phase 0, and it got repaired during the events in CP when Ragna finally got sent back creating a stable loop.

 

The other Ragna, was simply the body of the Black Beast the entire war, and "he" got killed by the Six Heroes the same time as Bloodedge killed Nu.

[mAc Chaos]

How was Rachel sending Ragna back destroying the timeline?

And I thought you meant there was a separate second Ragna, not that you were talking about the Black Beast.

[Zedar90]

How was Rachel sending Ragna back destroying the timeline?

And I thought you meant there was a separate second Ragna, not that you were talking about the Black Beast.

The time-loop was stable, since when something went back into the past it came forth at a later phase, for example phase 25 > phase 26. But Rachel sent Ragna from the last phase to phase 0.

This created a paradox, since "Bloodedge" came from a phase that had yet to occur, and the time-line became loose, and the past could change in order to try to solve this paradox.

It wasn't until Rachel sent Ragna back in time that this paradox became solved, and thus the past can no longer be changed.

 

And sorry if I wasn't clear with that I meant the body of the Black Beast as the second Ragna.

[BlackYakuzu94]

So wait, Rachel destroyed the timeline by sending Ragna back to Phase 0 but then it repaired itself...by Rachel sending Ragna back to Phase 0, or do you mean when she returned him to the present timeline?

 

 

Also, is the second "Ragna", the one who became the Black Beast's body, the one from when Nu and him fell into the boundary in the initial loop of their confrontation in CT?

[Zedar90]

So wait, Rachel destroyed the timeline by sending Ragna back to Phase 0 but then it repaired itself...by Rachel sending Ragna back to Phase 0, or do you mean when she returned him to the present timeline?

 

 

Also, is the second "Ragna", the one who became the Black Beast's body, the one from when Nu and him fell into the boundary in the initial loop of their confrontation in CT?

In the "past", Rachel sent Ragna to the phase 0, and the moment Ragna got involved with the Black Beast, the entire time-line got fucked up. Meaning that the "past" that Rachel sent Ragna to the past got removed, meaning the "Bloodedge" had no origin, and the Time-line become loose to try to solve this problem.

This is what Rachel meant with that she had to do a decision, because once she sends Ragna, the paradox will be solved and the past can no longer be changed.

 

And the second Ragna should be the CT one.

[BlackYakuzu94]

So you mean Rachel sending Ragna to the past and fighting what was essentially himself caused a Time Paradox, and eliminated Ragna's(Or rather Bloodedge's) own point of origin, and that returning to the present restored it?

[Zedar90]

So you mean Rachel sending Ragna to the past and fighting what was essentially himself caused a Time Paradox, and eliminated Ragna's(Or rather Bloodedge's) own point of origin, and that returning to the present restored it?

Something like that. Or Bloodedge was originally sent in the past for a different but similar reason, but the BBCP Ragna overwrote it and created a new origin.

The problem is that the original time-line is such a big unknown, and I don't mean the non-noel one, the one Terumi was talking about in CS.

 

The whole time-loop was created to stop the time-line to ever reach the end where the world dies.

[BlackYakuzu94]

So wait, I thought Phase 0 was the original loop, before any loops even happened?

[Zedar90]

So wait, I thought Phase 0 was the original loop, before any loops even happened?

It is the first loop of what we know. If the time-line was different before the loop was established, I don't know. It's only that Terumi's story to Noel doesn't fit at the moment with the time-line, I think.