Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Shinhwa]

Was it ever explained how Bolverk was fixed?

Bolverk was never "broken". It's limiters that suppressed Noel's mind just got taken off when Noel's mind couldn't take the pressure when she heard about her past from Hazama and such.

[cr1ms0n]

What happens in the feast gag reel?

[BlackYakuzu94]

It's not a gag reel, it's legit

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[Tokkan]

What happens in the feast gag reel?

It's not a gag reel, it happens in the canon route. It's also the scene that canonises Remix Heart.

[kylehyde]

It's not a gag reel, it's legit

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I know Jin is kind of bothered by Celica feeding Ragna, or at least that's how it appears in the CG. But what about Rachel? It's a running gag that she gets quite jealous of other girls eating with Ragna apparently.

BTW, is there any Teach Me Miss Litchi episodes in CP? Or has it been replaced with something else?

[Yazumatto]

There are TMML episodes. It's just no one's bothered to talk about them or translate them. There are 6 episodes IIRC and all of the cast show up at one point or another.

[Tokkan]

BTW, is there any Teach Me Miss Litchi episodes in CP? Or has it been replaced with something else?

There's 6 of them. Or should I say 4, since the first 2 are just quick recaps of the old TMML episodes.

[Shinhwa]

What happens in the feast gag reel?

It's not a gag reel but it's a happy dinner with everyone (maybe not for Jin). And they discuss the plans for the tournament at the Colosseum for battle against Azrael and Tsubaki.

[mAc Chaos]

It is kind of better how they incorporated this Lambda thing into the main story rather than having it be a gag reel that doesn't result in anything.

[Errol]

It is kind of better how they incorporated this Lambda thing into the main story rather than having it be a gag reel that doesn't result in anything.

What are you talking about mac? the gag reel hasn't ended yet. longest gag reel ever...

[mAc Chaos]

[Shinhwa]

It is kind of better how they incorporated this Lambda thing into the main story rather than having it be a gag reel that doesn't result in anything.

You talking about the anime?

[Calamitus]

I saw fan wars about "Izanami betrayed Relius and Hazama". Is that true or mere fan fantasies again?

Can anybody say what happened to Relius (i heard "his mind is broken") and what are his future plans? No hope to rewrite world for him anymore?

[Shinhwa]

I saw fan wars about "Izanami betrayed Relius and Hazama". Is that true or mere fan fantasies again?

Can anybody say what happened to Relius (i heard "his mind is broken") and what are his future plans? No hope to rewrite world for him anymore?

Sadly it is true. In Episode 18, after Phantom appears and teleports Hakumen out of the area, Izanami says to herself that Hazama and Relius aren't coming, and that their contract was to end during the event anyway. Since they had served her though, she says she will give the worst death towards Hazama and Relius.

Relius gets defeated by Valkenhayn. Relius comments to himself that he is still immature. When Valkenhayn was going to finish off Relius, Carl and Nirvana protected him, and escaped together with Litchi. Relius asked Carl why he had saved him, where Carl told him that he needs Relius to save Ada. Relius promises Carl that he will reanimate Ada and give Carl personal education.

[Starlight777]

I didn't know Relius was also going to give Carl personal education while helping him restore Ada. It's rather ironic that Relius has no choice but to be a good father now. It's all he has left.

[Calamitus]

Sadly it is true. In Episode 18, after Phantom appears and teleports Hakumen out of the area, Izanami says to herself that Hazama and Relius aren't coming, and that their contract was to end during the event anyway. Since they had served her though, she says she will give the worst death towards Hazama and Relius.

Relius gets defeated by Valkenhayn. Relius comments to himself that he is still immature. When Valkenhayn was going to finish off Relius, Carl and Nirvana protected him, and escaped together with Litchi. Relius asked Carl why he had saved him, where Carl told him that he needs Relius to save Ada. Relius promises Carl that he will reanimate Ada and give Carl personal education.

Relius turns into goodguy... If Hazama/Terumi will return somehow (since Izanami does not gives a damn, only life-link with Noel is left), he will be out of place (almost every character "loves" him, the only point for him is to be hero of this "monster-girl" story, which is impossible cause all main roles belong to Rags)... I'm rather disappointed that whole story has so many "goodguys" and yet only one true villain (dont count this brainwashed "goodguys", they will be cured anyway), this makes most of cast just needless.

Did not Relius promised to "cure" Arakune as well? And where is this blob now?

[BlackYakuzu94]

Let's remember that the heroes weren't able to accomplish shit with the villains manipulating them left and right.

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[Luminos564]

Let's remember that the heroes weren't able to accomplish shit with the villains manipulating them left and right.

And then they sic'd Haku-men on Terumi's ass and shit got done. Granted, we lost Trinity in the process but that's a small price to pay. Matter of fact, as much as a slaughterfest that BBCP is turning out to be, this has been the most productive step forward for the heroes.

[BlackYakuzu94]

I find it ironic that after all of the horrible shit Relius has done to Carl, his ultimate fate is to actually be a good father to the boy.

[Luminos564]

I find it ironic that after all of the horrible shit Relius has done to Carl, his ultimate fate is to actually be a good father to the boy.

Assuming his "personal education" doesn't end up serving as one last "Fuck you" to his son that is. Then again, BB has a tendency on making certain gag reels become (in a way) canon. Liitchi was a villain in Taokaka's gag reel and she really did end up joining the villain side. Maybe it'll be the same for Family Man Relius?

[Shinhwa]

I didn't know Relius was also going to give Carl personal education while helping him restore Ada. It's rather ironic that Relius has no choice but to be a good father now. It's all he has left.

Relius had promised Carl way back in Episode 8 of Story Mode (Please read my translation for Episode 8 a few pages back) that he will restore Ada and give personal education to Carl. Relius is kind of broken right now yes. Carl plans to make his father pay for what he has done so far.

Relius turns into goodguy... If Hazama/Terumi will return somehow (since Izanami does not gives a damn, only life-link with Noel is left), he will be out of place (almost every character "loves" him, the only point for him is to be hero of this "monster-girl" story, which is impossible cause all main roles belong to Rags)... I'm rather disappointed that whole story has so many "goodguys" and yet only one true villain (dont count this brainwashed "goodguys", they will be cured anyway), this makes most of cast just needless.

Did not Relius promised to "cure" Arakune as well? And where is this blob now?

Relius didn't really turn into a "good guy" really. Life Link is negated if one of the side is killed by Hakumen's Time Killer as the one that got killed cannot even regenerate. It is possible "Hazama" is alive, as we didn't see what happened to Trinity and Hazama after they stabbed each other, but Terumi side is pretty much dead.

Well Izanami is the boss. Right now she only has Phantom and maybe Nu-13 in her arsenal. Only thing is that we don't know whether Izanami and Phantom took Nu-13 with them when they teleported to where Amaterasu is. It's just that the semi-bosses got killed or went MIA, then is right now abandoned by their boss. I consider both Phantom and Nu brainwashed really.

And then they sic'd Haku-men on Terumi's ass and shit got done. Granted, we lost Trinity in the process but that's a small price to pay. Matter of fact, as much as a slaughterfest that BBCP is turning out to be, this has been the most productive step forward for the heroes.

Trinity's soul might have died but we have no idea what happened to Luna and Sena.

I find it ironic that after all of the horrible shit Relius has done to Carl, his ultimate fate is to actually be a good father to the boy.

The scene at the end kind of shows that Ignis and Ada are looking happy for the family reunion kind of. But this might be a good start for the Clover family to reunite as a happy family.

Assuming his "personal education" doesn't end up serving as one last "Fuck you" to his son that is. Then again, BB has a tendency on making certain gag reels become (in a way) canon. Liitchi was a villain in Taokaka's gag reel and she really did end up joining the villain side. Maybe it'll be the same for Family Man Relius?

Relius is kind of broken right now as he thought he was perfect but only to turn out as a failure, and Relius never has lied to Carl. Litchi was only on the villain's side as Kokonoe rejected Litchi's theories and methods to save Arakune (See Sector Seven Route for more info), and since she needed Relius' help, she had joined their side. But yeah her methods have gone kind of insane.

[Calamitus]

Trinity's soul might have died but we have no idea what happened to Luna and Sena.

I got impression from video that he stabbed physical body of Platinum. Which means he either killed all three or killed no one.

I'm confused about this Hazama/Terumi situation. So in short words, Platinum dragged Terumi from Hazama's body (or from something else, i did not understood previous translation) and they killed him (Terumi), which means Hazama had lost evil side and will stop being villain too?

[Zedar90]

I got impression from video that he stabbed physical body of Platinum. Which means he either killed all three or killed no one.

I'm confused about this Hazama/Terumi situation. So in short words, Platinum dragged Terumi from Hazama's body (or from something else, i did not understood previous translation) and they killed him (Terumi), which means Hazama had lost evil side and will stop being villain too?

Terumi is a spirit body and needs a vessel in the world. Hazama is his vessel made by Relius. During the dark wars Nine put a mind eater spell on Terumi while fusing with the Kazuma body but he split His and Kazuma's mind so only Terumi got effected by it. After Kazuma tricked Trinity to remove mind eater from Terumi there was some side effect left that made it impossible for Terumi to completely fuse with his vessel but he considered it a minor inconvenience.

What Trinity did was to swap the "place" between Hazama and Terumi (mind?). It's not said why the Doppelgänger was born but it could have been when Trinity got interrupted when she turned Hazama into Terumi the second time after Terumi had reverted back.

Added: Hakumen comes to the Cauldron and is meet by the Dobbelgängar which has Terumi's spirit in it. Hakumen fight Terumi but can't win. At the same time Platinum(controlled by Trinity) arrives at the top of the Monolith where Hazama is and stabs Hazama. This makes Terumi not able to move and Terumi is struck by Hakumen's time killer and Hakumen declares that Terumi's time is killed. When Trinity is relived it is over Hazama raises up and stabs Trinity and says she is going to die as well.

And in the Library it is said that they stabbed eachother and fell down into the lake and their whereabouts is unknown.

Edited November 28, 2013 by Zedar90

[Luminos564]

And in the Library it is said that they stabbed eachother and fell down into the lake and their whereabouts is unknown.

Lake? In other words, nobody found their bodies (that we know of) which means they're MIA and can neither be confirmed alive or dead until further notice.

So here's something which I'd like explained if possible. Noel was never supposed to survive the Take-Mikazuchi blast originally, yes? Yet, we found out in CP that she has a Life Link with Hazama/Terumi. Now correct me if I am wrong, but how could she have died in the previous loops if she's always had it?

[Zedar90]

Lake? In other words, nobody found their bodies (that we know of) which means they're MIA and can neither be confirmed alive or dead until further notice.

So here's something which I'd like explained if possible. Noel was never supposed to survive the Take-Mikazuchi blast originally, yes? Yet, we found out in CP that she has a Life Link with Hazama/Terumi. Now correct me if I am wrong, but how could she have died in the previous loops if she's always had it?

One reason could be that at that time line Hazama was also there so both died at the same time, but other time lines Terumi knew it wouldn't work so he wasn't there.