Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Master Of Chaos]

So Hazama is Kazuma Kuvaru from Phase Shift, is what you're saying?

[Zedar90]

So Hazama is Kazuma Kuvaru from Phase Shift, is what you're saying?

Not known, could be. But Kazuma could use magic and I don't think I have seen Hazama used magic. Also the Mind eater was on Terumi so the issues with fusing should extend to all vessel made for him.

[harmless kitten]

So here's something which I'd like explained if possible. Noel was never supposed to survive the Take-Mikazuchi blast originally, yes? Yet, we found out in CP that she has a Life Link with Hazama/Terumi. Now correct me if I am wrong, but how could she have died in the previous loops if she's always had it?

It's possible that she needed to observe Terumi first in CT before it was really initiated. What went down in Ibukido just enabled them to have a life-link in the first place.

One reason could be that at that time line Hazama was also there so both died at the same time, but other time lines Terumi knew it wouldn't work so he wasn't there.

Hazama is still around in Wheel of Fortune and Makoto's CS story, so either he survived the blast or Relius just made a new body.

[Zedar90]

Hazama is still around in Wheel of Fortune and Makoto's CS story, so either he survived the blast or Relius just made a new body.

It could be a new body at that time, Jin did ask Hakumen if Hazama did exist in the time line Hakumen came from. This was somewhat odd question to ask but that is the only reason I could come up with for Jin to ask that.

[Shinhwa]

I thought Kazuma's body had perished when it entered the Boundary

Lake? In other words, nobody found their bodies (that we know of) which means they're MIA and can neither be confirmed alive or dead until further notice.

So here's something which I'd like explained if possible. Noel was never supposed to survive the Take-Mikazuchi blast originally, yes? Yet, we found out in CP that she has a Life Link with Hazama/Terumi. Now correct me if I am wrong, but how could she have died in the previous loops if she's always had it?

Thought they had Life Link starting from CS o.o

[Calamitus]

Terumi is a spirit body and needs a vessel in the world. Hazama is his vessel made by Relius. During the dark wars Nine put a mind eater spell on Terumi while fusing with the Kazuma body but he split His and Kazuma's mind so only Terumi got effected by it. After Kazuma tricked Trinity to remove mind eater from Terumi there was some side effect left that made it impossible for Terumi to completely fuse with his vessel but he considered it a minor inconvenience.

What Trinity did was to swap the "place" between Hazama and Terumi (mind?). It's not said why the Doppelgänger was born but it could have been when Trinity got interrupted when she turned Hazama into Terumi the second time after Terumi had reverted back.

Hm. So she gave Terumi new host, Terumi becomes Terumi, and Hazama becomes... Hazama? But Hazama strikes back which means either Terumi controls 2 bodies at same time or Hazama (Kazuma) is much as twisted as Terumi. (I feel like idiot)

And in the Library it is said that they stabbed eachother and fell down into the lake and their whereabouts is unknown.

Its pretty common and obvious hint that we'll see them again.

[Shinhwa]

Hazama and Terumi were still connected (Hence why when Platinum stabbed Hazama, it affected Terumi). And yes Hazama is corrupt as Terumi (as proven by when Terumi took Kazuma's body, Kazuma went from being good to evil)

Terumi is dead for good. He has 0.0000000~~ time to even exist.

Hazama himself maybe still alive unless due to the link between Hazama and Terumi, the Time Killer affected even Hazama.

Platinum is MIA for sure, but Trinity's soul itself may have died.

Edited November 28, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Vyral]

I can't bring myself to think that Terumi is dead. I like this character and I still have so many question about him, like:

- Is he an human that lost his body to become a spirit or is he an evil spirit ? Considering Amane astral, the latter is very likely.

- What is/was his goal ? Why did he wants to kill Amaterasu ?

[Dawn of Musou]

- Is he an human that lost his body to become a spirit or is he an evil spirit ? Considering Amane astral, the latter is very likely.

You shouldn't really use Amane's astral as basis for canon stuff considering what happens to Tager, Haku and Arakune in his astral.

[Shinhwa]

I can't bring myself to think that Terumi is dead. I like this character and I still have so many question about him, like:

- Is he an human that lost his body to become a spirit or is he an evil spirit ? Considering Amane astral, the latter is very likely.

- What is/was his goal ? Why did he wants to kill Amaterasu ?

Terumi was human but during an experiment with Shuichiro regarding the cauldron, it went berserk where a Black Beast appeared and had devoured Terumi, making him lose his real body, which turned him into spirit form.

His true goal is not revealed but it is highly speculated that it has to do with the numerous timeloops that occured by Amaterasu.

[mAc Chaos]

Why did he happen to get a spirit then? It's not like anyone else just turns into a troll ghost when they die or get killed by the Black Beast.

[Shinhwa]

Why did he happen to get a spirit then? It's not like anyone else just turns into a troll ghost when they die or get killed by the Black Beast.

I have no answer for that sadly. I can only speculate for that.

But the comical answer would be: PLOT ARMOR

[mAc Chaos]

It would make more sense if he was a ghost originally and that body that got destroyed was not his real one either.

[Shinhwa]

Well he is an Alchemist. He probably did some spell to ensure that even if his body dies, his spirit won't. Which is why he has Relius made him a new body to begin with.

This makes more sense, but let us not speculate here... (seriously it is bothersome that speculation + story discussion are in separate threads... @_@)

[Master Of Chaos]

I thought Kazuma's body had perished when it entered the Boundary

Kazuma's body did not go through the Boundary. When Haku and Jubei seperated the two, only Haku and Terumi went through.

Also, it seems as though when Terumi merges with the host body, it retains itself as a seprate existance, so to speak, but it's personality changes to a copy of Terumi's, as to why Kazuma went from a pretty decent and nice guy to a total scumbag, and Hazama still has his Terumi poses and is still insane after Trinity seperates them.

[Shinhwa]

Oops forgot about that part...

[Calamitus]

Hazama and Terumi were still connected (Hence why when Platinum stabbed Hazama, it affected Terumi). And yes Hazama is corrupt as Terumi (as proven by when Terumi took Kazuma's body, Kazuma went from being good to evil)

Hm. If Terumi is dead, there is no reason for Hazama (Kazuma) in trying to kill Amaterasu.

[Shinhwa]

Hm. If Terumi is dead, there is no reason for Hazama (Kazuma) in trying to kill Amaterasu.

Well, the truth is how Terumi did influence Kazuma where both of them were pretty much evil incarnate, and together they did experience like tons of timeloops, so I wouldn't be too sure about that.

[kibakirain]

Terumi is a spirit body and needs a vessel in the world. Hazama is his vessel made by Relius. During the dark wars Nine put a mind eater spell on Terumi while fusing with the Kazuma body but he split His and Kazuma's mind so only Terumi got effected by it. After Kazuma tricked Trinity to remove mind eater from Terumi there was some side effect left that made it impossible for Terumi to completely fuse with his vessel but he considered it a minor inconvenience.

What Trinity did was to swap the "place" between Hazama and Terumi (mind?). It's not said why the Doppelgänger was born but it could have been when Trinity got interrupted when she turned Hazama into Terumi the second time after Terumi had reverted back.

Added: Hakumen comes to the Cauldron and is meet by the Dobbelgängar which has Terumi's spirit in it. Hakumen fight Terumi but can't win. At the same time Platinum(controlled by Trinity) arrives at the top of the Monolith where Hazama is and stabs Hazama. This makes Terumi not able to move and Terumi is struck by Hakumen's time killer and Hakumen declares that Terumi's time is killed. When Trinity is relived it is over Hazama raises up and stabs Trinity and says she is going to die as well.

And in the Library it is said that they stabbed eachother and fell down into the lake and their whereabouts is unknown.

What do you mean Doppelgänger?

Can anyone summerize/organize this current discussion about Terumi/Hazama cuz i'm getting really confused here...

It'd be wrong to kill off the 3rd most popular character like that(plus Terumi just recently became playable). I think he's not dead and Mori is going to pull something from his ass to explain it.

[Shinhwa]

It'd be wrong to kill off the 3rd most popular character like that(plus Terumi just recently became playable). I think he's not dead and Mori is going to pull something from his ass to explain it.

You have to consider that he is a villain that made tons of characters suffer... And Terumi did die as he got killed by Hakumen's Time Killer technique. That's a fact. Hazama himself though... is currently unknown. He is considered MIA for now.

[Zedar90]

What do you mean Doppelgänger?

Can anyone summerize/organize this current discussion about Terumi/Hazama cuz i'm getting really confused here...

It'd be wrong to kill off the 3rd most popular character like that(plus Terumi just recently became playable). I think he's not dead and Mori is going to pull something from his ass to explain it.

Doppelgänger(written as 二重の者 read as Doppelgänger) is what Hakumen called the way Terumi was when he met him in the remains of Ibukido. Terumi said it was because of the "shitty four-eyes" and "shitty vampire". Terumi said it was convenient to be able to also walk freely but was bit annoying as well.

[Shinhwa]

Play Yuuki Terumi's Arcade mode if you wanna know what happened

[kibakirain]

You have to consider that he is a villain that made tons of characters suffer... And Terumi did die as he got killed by Hakumen's Time Killer technique. That's a fact. Hazama himself though... is currently unknown. He is considered MIA for now.

I know Terumi and/or Hazama should die in the story but it seemed like it was the wrong moment to do it in the third game when you know the series is not over yet; seeing Blazblue's roster relies heavily on the story and considering Terumi is new and there are a lot of Hazama players out there...

Play Yuuki Terumi's Arcade mode if you wanna know what happened

I've already seen Terumi's arcade mode long ago...

[Shinhwa]

I know Terumi and/or Hazama should die in the story but it seemed like it was the wrong moment to do it in the third game when you know the series is not over yet; seeing Blazblue's roster relies heavily on the story and considering Terumi is new and there are a lot of Hazama players out there...

Even I don't know what Mori and ArcSys are thinking, but we will have to wait till the next game to find out what is going to happen. Although the game itself is very story dependent, arcade mode still exists, which is a thing to consider when you think about whether a character will be removed from the game.

I've already seen Terumi's arcade mode long ago...

Well that's pretty much what made Terumi and Hazama separate but still linked. Although I am sure it goes more into detail in the Six Heroes route (which I haven't gotten myself to see yet)

[Agni]

Even I don't know what Mori and ArcSys are thinking, but we will have to wait till the next game to find out what is going to happen.

I honestly don't think Mori thinks at all when writing these game's stories.

...Okay, he thinks, but only in the respect of "what crazy bullshit can I pull from my ass THIS game that will utterly confuse everyone"