Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Shinhwa]

Did CP state anything new regarding the fact that Saya was the one who gave Yukianesa to Jin? or Ragna and Jin's conversation during the near end of CS?

Nope, nothing...

[Master Of Chaos]

I have a question. What does Hakumen call Hazama In Six Heroes and his arcade ending, and what does it mean? Also, what was Azrael doing in Six Heroes, attacking Hakumen and Celcia?

[Toxin45]

I have a question. What does Hakumen call Hazama In Six Heroes and his arcade ending, and what does it mean? Also, what was Azrael doing in Six Heroes, attacking Hakumen and Celcia?

hebi means snake due

[kylehyde]

Does Jubei or anyone else elaborate on why Noel is the only one that can save Jin? Or what she's supposed to do exactly? I remember that was something that came up in Noel's story mode in CS. Jubei mentioned that Noel was the only one who could save Jin, I thought it sounded really important and just wanted to know if it's touched upon further in CP.

[Shinhwa]

I have a question. What does Hakumen call Hazama In Six Heroes and his arcade ending, and what does it mean? Also, what was Azrael doing in Six Heroes, attacking Hakumen and Celcia?

If you mean the line where Hakumen says "Hebi yo kisamara wa...", yeah that means "Snake, you lot seem to be..."

Azrael just happened to stumble upon Hakumen when Celica met Hakumen, and as Hakumen is one of the Six Heroes, Azrael just challenged him to a fight as he is just another prey. Afterwards Hakumen and Celica just retreat, where Celica uses magic to cause some diversions. As you know from Episode 13 of Chronophantasma, Azrael can't attack anyone without any fighting intent, so he couldn't go after them really.

Does Jubei or anyone else elaborate on why Noel is the only one that can save Jin? Or what she's supposed to do exactly? I remember that was something that came up in Noel's story mode in CS. Jubei mentioned that Noel was the only one who could save Jin, I thought it sounded really important and just wanted to know if it's touched upon further in CP.

I will have to recheck upon that on her Story Mode as it's been a freaking long time since I had gone playing Noel's story mode.

The only thing that was further touched upon about that was by Kagura, where he says that it may be up to Noel in order to have Ragna and Jin make up as brothers, but this doesn't really seem to connect to the "saving Jin", but it may be related.

Anyhow, in the end "saving Jin" wasn't really much elaborated on nor was it continued.

Edited January 22, 2014 by Shinhwa

[kibakirain]

I still don't get the whole deal with Rachel in Noel's dreams; like her CT arcade ending. Did CP elaborate on what Rachel actually is or what can she do?

[Shinhwa]

I still don't get the whole deal with Rachel in Noel's dreams; like her CT arcade ending. Did CP elaborate on what Rachel actually is or what can she do?

Nope. But Izanami calls Rachel as if she was Tsukuyomi itself by calling her "Tsukuyomi" instead of her name mostly. Rachel is a Chronophantasma but that's pretty much all that's been revealed. But she has lost majority of powers now due to joining the "stage".

[Toxin45]

Nope. But Izanami calls Rachel as if she was Tsukuyomi itself by calling her "Tsukuyomi" instead of her name mostly. Rachel is a Chronophantasma but that's pretty much all that's been revealed. But she has lost majority of powers now due to joining the "stage".

So if Rachel is a CP then where is the real Rachel?

[Zedar90]

I still don't get the whole deal with Rachel in Noel's dreams; like her CT arcade ending. Did CP elaborate on what Rachel actually is or what can she do?

This might not be really related but lets have a look one what makes Rachel and Valkenhayn special.

First there is a word that I have problem to translate, it is 理(kotowari). It's meaning is something like "the Truth", Laws of the world.

Almost Everything is bound to kotowari, and it consists of the four Elements: Fire, Water, Air and Earth and also the Great Origins, Light and Dark.

But a problem arouse, something appeared that is outside of the Kotowari, and that was the Black Beast. Since the Black Beast was not part of the Kotowari, nothing worked on it. I'm not sure if even Magic (mahou, 魔法) worked on it since it uses Mana.

In order to fight the Black Beast, Nine searched the old documents in Ishana and learned about a old art known as Sorcery (Majutsu, 魔術) so she taught the human how to use it through the Ars Magus (Jutsu shiki, 術式). Sorcery unlike Magic uses seithr instead of Mana. And in the end she made the Nox Nyctores.

Now Valkenhayn didn't use weapons, yet he could fight the Black Beast. That is because both Rachel and Valkenhayn are also outside of the Kotowari like the Black Beast.

Also about Rachel, she is Tsukiyomi (that is what Izanami calls Rachel, and it isn't because of the Unit, because Izanami calls Hakumen Susanoo Unit) the guardian of the Amaterasu Unit.

[Toxin45]

This might not be really related but lets have a look one what makes Rachel and Valkenhayn special.

First there is a word that I have problem to translate, it is 理(kotowari). It's meaning is something like "the Truth", Laws of the world.

Almost Everything is bound to kotowari, and it consists of the four Elements: Fire, Water, Air and Earth and also the Great Origins, Light and Dark.

But a problem arouse, something appeared that is outside of the Kotowari, and that was the Black Beast. Since the Black Beast was not part of the Kotowari, nothing worked on it. I'm not sure if even Magic (mahou, 魔法) worked on it since it uses Mana.

In order to fight the Black Beast, Nine searched the old documents in Ishana and learned about a old art known as Sorcery (Majutsu, 魔術) so she taught the human how to use it through the Ars Magus (Jutsu shiki, 術式). Sorcery unlike Magic uses seithr instead of Mana. And in the end she made the Nox Nyctores.

Now Valkenhayn didn't use weapons, yet he could fight the Black Beast. That is because both Rachel and Valkenhayn are also outside of the Kotowari like the Black Beast.

Also about Rachel, she is Tsukiyomi (that is what Izanami calls Rachel, and it isn't because of the Unit, because Izanami calls Hakumen Susanoo Unit) the guardian of the Amaterasu Unit.

Interesting but How is Rachel a CP? Also if she is a CP then wouldn't that mean she's not the actual Rachel?Is she a psychical body/vessal for Rachel's actual self or something?

[Zedar90]

Interesting but How is Rachel a CP? Also if she is a CP then wouldn't that mean she's not the actual Rachel?Is she a psychical body/vessal for Rachel's actual self or something?

Chronophantasma doesn't mean that it is a clone, it means that they have some how got "out of course" from the planned "future". Also, Rachel and Celica isn't the same type of Chronophantasma. Rachel is a "Phantom of Time" and Celica is a "Someone that shouldn't exist"

[Toxin45]

Chronophantasma doesn't mean that it is a clone, it means that they have some how got "out of course" from the planned "future". Also, Rachel and Celica isn't the same type of Chronophantasma. Rachel is a "Phantom of Time" and Celica is a "Someone that shouldn't exist"

So how does the Phantom of Time is created?

[Zedar90]

So how does the Phantom of Time is created?

That isn't said, it didn't go to deep into it other then Rachel saying she is a Chronophantasma and that small info in the Library section.

[Shinhwa]

That isn't said, it didn't go to deep into it other then Rachel saying she is a Chronophantasma and that small info in the Library section.

Posted a speculation on the speculated thread regarding Chronophantasma's term.

[kylehyde]

Izanami calls Hakumen Susanoo Unit) the guardian of the Amaterasu Unit.

Strangely enough I thought this would be Ragna's title. I know his title is or could be if he so chooses "Guardian of the Azure" but that would mean that his duty is to protect Noel right? She did inherit the true Azure. At least that's what I always figured anyway.

Unless there is some deeper meaning to it.

[Stryker115]

All Noel got was the "Eye of the Azure" not the Azure itself

basically she is now a quantum observer and that everything she observes gets affected in some way (think of it like the particle/wave duality experiment where light affects the behaviour of electrons in whether the behave like particles or waves depending on whether they are being observed or not)

Apparently the "Azure" is much bigger than that so "Guardian of the Azure" may mean something more than just protecting like keeping the balance of X by doing Y sort of thing

[BlazblueRebel]

Cp got announced on the PS Vita Along with some Balance updates it will include straigt from Siliconera:

"To help entice players to pick up this on-the-go version, though, there’s also the addition of an all-new scenario. Famitsu reports that there will be an all new comedy route featuring Ragna, Noel, Kagura and Celica, right on the beach and in swimsuits. The below screenshots are from the Vita port.

Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/30/blazblue-chrono-phantasma-vita-new-scenario-beach/#L5KQ2fL6Tspf4xwi.99"

[Toxin45]

Cp got announced on the PS Vita Along with some Balance updates it will include straigt from Siliconera:

"To help entice players to pick up this on-the-go version, though, there’s also the addition of an all-new scenario. Famitsu reports that there will be an all new comedy route featuring Ragna, Noel, Kagura and Celica, right on the beach and in swimsuits. The below screenshots are from the Vita port.

Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/30/blazblue-chrono-phantasma-vita-new-scenario-beach/#L5KQ2fL6Tspf4xwi.99"

Yeah I know also is anyone thinking that Celica is being a creator pet?

[Zedar90]

Yeah I know also is anyone thinking that Celica is being a creator pet?

Who knows, but at least it wasn't Mori that created her, all Mori said to the author of phase 0 was to create a heroine (it was said in a Blue Radio episode, forgot which one).

Edited February 1, 2014 by Zedar90

[Toxin45]

Who knows, but at least it wasn't Mori that created her, all Mori said to the writer of phase 0 was to create a heroine (it was said in a Blue Radio episode, forgot which one).

It seems Mori wants her to be playable in the Vita version but nothing is confirmed,...yet.

[Malcopunch]

I am sorry if this has been repeated already but is Noel immortal. Does she age like a normal human?

[Zedar90]

I am sorry if this has been repeated already but is Noel immortal. Does she age like a normal human?

Nothing about that is clear, however isn't it said somewhere that she still looks like a 14 year old or something? That she looks younger then what she is presumed to be?

Also isn't she the 2nd strongest observer (Master Unit is the strongest, and the only reason that Izanami got stronger as a observer was due to her using the Takamagahara-system)? If that is the case I believe her age shouldn't really matter. (Master Unit is the strongest, and the only reason that Izanami got stronger as a observer was due to the help from Takamagahara-system).

But her biggest weakness as a Observer is the Immortal Breaker that Tsubaki possesses.

[Toxin45]

Nothing about that is clear, however isn't it said somewhere that she still looks like a 14 year old or something? That she looks younger then what she is presumed to be?

Also isn't she the 2nd strongest observer (Master Unit is the strongest, and the only reason that Izanami got stronger as a observer was due to her using the Takamagahara-system)? If that is the case I believe her age shouldn't really matter. (Master Unit is the strongest, and the only reason that Izanami got stronger as a observer was due to the help from Takamagahara-system).

But her biggest weakness as a Observer is the Immortal Breaker that Tsubaki possesses.

But isn't Izanami death incarnate?

[Zedar90]

But isn't Izanami death incarnate?

It isn't clear what Izanami truly is. She is called the "World's death materialized" by Rachel. Homura both call her Death and MeiOu. And Jin calls her death. But she is a better observer then Takamagahara-system, she did take over the observing duty of Terumi from them, otherwise Terumi couldn't get rid of the A.Is

Tsubaki won't kill Noel using the Immortal Breaker..she would not do that..i don't think she even is going to kill Rachel..

Not much danger about that now, but it was during the trio vs Tsubaki after Tsubaki awoke/evolved the Izayoi.

Although I could see Tsubaki try to use Immortal Breaker on Rachel to get rid of the "Evil", but if that happens I would believe that Noel will step in to stop Tsubaki. This could finally lead into the Izayoi Vs Mu that haven't been given yet.

[Shinhwa]

Izayoi vs Mu can always happen in personal matches 8D