Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[Elochai]

I'll check the wiki then. Thanks!

[Shinhwa]

I'll check the wiki then. Thanks!

No problem. But I am doing translations per episode right now just that I am busy with final exams, so it will be delayed lol.

[kylehyde]

Thanks for translating/summarizing Scarlet Rose Zedar!

[Luminos564]

Relius Clover, the mad puppeteer. He had a hand with the appearance of the Black Beast and further back in time he had some acquaintance with Rachel's father. To hear is name even in this age was something both Rachel or Valkenhayn could have been anticipating. Or maybe more like something one didn't want to anticipate.

Valkenhayn: A little earlier, while searching for Relius workshop Jubei-dono was able to secure three children. The children is currently begin in care in her church...

So...Relius has something to do with the 3 siblings being within that lab from which Jubei rescued them. That makes for a good amount of sense. Though I question why he doesn't seem to react to Ragna much at all considering this would make Ragna one of his "experiments". Relius was certainly intrigued when he learned that Noel (Murakumo unit no.12) was the true successor to the Azure and with Jin, he constantly remarks on wanting to see the capabilities of the Power of Order. Ragna though? No real reaction beyond "Oh...it's the Azure".

[Chaoschao222]

While possible, that statement does not actually link any correlation between Relius and securing the siblings. It just states that while Jubei was searching for the workshop, he was able to secure three children; not that he secured three children at said workshop.

[Zedar90]

What's known is Jubei was chasing Relius and searching for Relius workshop, he found three children in a laboratory, and he was covered in wounds when he left the children in Sisters care. So the children "might" have some connections with Relius since Jubei found them while searching for him.

[Luminos564]

^^

And my reading comprehension fails. I took it as "Jubei found the 3 in Relius' lab" rather than "Jubei found them in a lab while searching for Relius and his workshop". Oh well, thanks for clarifying.

[Shinhwa]

Well Relius is pretty much the only mad scientist in the Blazblue universe (i mean mad scientist literally...)

Also the fact Relius was the one who ordered Terumi to go after the siblings (well Saya mostly)

Actually now that I think about it, why was Rachel sleeping for such a freaking long time?

[Zedar90]

Well Relius is pretty much the only mad scientist in the Blazblue universe (i mean mad scientist literally...)

Also the fact Relius was the one who ordered Terumi to go after the siblings (well Saya mostly)

Actually now that I think about it, why was Rachel sleeping for such a freaking long time?

To gain Knowledge and regain lost power is what is said. What it truly means, I dunno.

[Shinhwa]

And we know that Rachel is a "made" being by Clavis Alucard... Hmmm

[Zedar90]

And we know that Rachel is a "made" being by Clavis Alucard... Hmmm

Also, Rachel in the past only acts like Rachel in the future when she is near the boundary. It could be that she gains the memory from the other loops when sleeping.

[Shinhwa]

When I think about that fact, I don't get where people get these ideas where they think Es = Rachel for some reason =w=;

[Toxin45]

When I think about that fact, I don't get where people get these ideas where they think Es = Rachel for some reason =w=;

it helps that she is riding on what looks like nago

[Raptor]

So if I got this right, Izanami wants to turn all life on the planet to seither. Exactly how does she plan to accomplish this?

[Shinhwa]

it helps that she is riding on what looks like nago

The personalities are different, and as I have already stated, Rachel was someone that was created by Clavis Alucard. Also the fact Es did seal herself in the Boundary in the end of XBlaze.

[Yusufestacado]

Relius turns into goodguy... If Hazama/Terumi will return somehow (since Izanami does not gives a damn, only life-link with Noel is left), he will be out of place (almost every character "loves" him, the only point for him is to be hero of this "monster-girl" story, which is impossible cause all main roles belong to Rags)... I'm rather disappointed that whole story has so many "goodguys" and yet only one true villain (dont count this brainwashed "goodguys", they will be cured anyway), this makes most of cast just needless.

I couldn't agree with you more...this is kinda absurd that the only one true vilain has 'died' both his body and spirit even without explaining what his true purpose is. Suck story

[BlackYakuzu94]

To quote Mac: stay mad.

[Yusufestacado]

It'd be wrong to kill off the 3rd most popular character like that(plus Terumi just recently became playable). I think he's not dead and Mori is going to pull something from his ass to explain it.

Hazama is the 3rd most popular character(7068 votes) with Terumi got the 10th position(2333 votes).

But considering they are actually the same person, HZ/TE could be the most popular guy in ASW games

[Shinhwa]

So what if he is popular? If Mori decides that story wise he needs to die for his crimes, then he dies :/

[Toxin45]

Relius turns into goodguy... If Hazama/Terumi will return somehow (since Izanami does not gives a damn, only life-link with Noel is left), he will be out of place (almost every character "loves" him, the only point for him is to be hero of this "monster-girl" story, which is impossible cause all main roles belong to Rags)... I'm rather disappointed that whole story has so many "goodguys" and yet only one true villain (dont count this brainwashed "goodguys", they will be cured anyway), this makes most of cast just needless.

Did not Relius promised to "cure" Arakune as well? And where is this blob now?

Well Izanami is the true villain all along and Terumi's death can be seen as a meta example of an ironic death/Karmic Death he always saw himself as the most awesome person in world and his death at the hands of Hakumen is seen by many of his fans as an extreme anti-climax something Terumi himself would have hated.

[Master Of Chaos]

Also, do all of Ragna's fights after his Arcade battles have him unable to use the Azure until he goes Unlimited for the final boss fight?

Edited December 8, 2013 by Chaoschao222
removed no-longer-applicable bit

[Zedar90]

This is not the speculation thread.

Also, do all of Ragna's fights after his Arcade battles have him unable to use the Azure until he goes Unlimited for the final boss fight?

No, all battle's after the one with Azrael you can use all of Ragna's moves.

[ImmaYuukiTerumi]

Is there actually a difference between Hazama and Terumi personality wise when they separate? From what I've scene, Hazama will act all calm and troll until he gets serious. Terumi is full on sadistic monster all the time. Was sort of noticeable when hearing English Dub clips.

[Zedar90]

Is there actually a difference between Hazama and Terumi personality wise when they separate? From what I've scene, Hazama will act all calm and troll until he gets serious. Terumi is full on sadistic monster all the time. Was sort of noticeable when hearing English Dub clips.

Usually the same as before.

Usually when Hazama acts like Terumi the name changes in the text box from Hazama to Terumi, so it can be that Terumi temporarily takes over the control of the body.

[cr1ms0n]

How does Ragna get his jacket and the Blood Scythe back when he goes back to the present?

Also, are "the magical city" and the "0th rune city" the same place?