Zedar90 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Hey shinhwa is Hinata an artificial human like Es? I don't think Shinhwa can answer that since I don't think Shinhwa has played Xblaze, but it isn't really clear. All that is known is that the embryo was tempered in her and that the Himezuru family only had one daughter(Yuki). It's highly likely that she is one though.
Toxin45 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) I don't think Shinhwa can answer that since I don't think Shinhwa has played Xblaze, but it isn't really clear. All that is known is that the embryo was tempered in her and that the Himezuru family only had one daughter(Yuki). It's highly likely that she is one though. If you think saya was the first prime field device then Hinata could have been another half of Es given it's own body somehow and that Es had amnesia but eventually regained her other half sorta and in a squeal she'll absorb Hinata to become whole again and probably became the master unit form BlazBlue.Well Hinata and Es are connected somehow maybe proably took 5 years for Es to be completed and Hinata could have amnesia as well. Also the T-system is it Tamhakgara from BlazBlue?Sorry for the dispelling But I am just asking. Edited January 15, 2014 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 If you think saya was the first prime field device then Hinata could have been another half of Es given it's own body somehow and that Es had amnesia but eventually regained her other half sorta and in a squeal she'll absorb Hinata to become whole again and probably became the master unit form BlazBlue.Well Hinata and Es are connected somehow maybe proably took 5 years for Es to be completed and Hinata could have amnesia as well. Also the T-system is it Tamhakgara from BlazBlue?Sorry for the dispelling But I am just asking. Es didn't have the Embryo inside her until Hinata gave it to her. Es didn't have amnesia. She was created by Soichiro. T-system is not confirmed to be Takahamagara.
Toxin45 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Es didn't have the Embryo inside her until Hinata gave it to her. Es didn't have amnesia. She was created by Soichiro. T-system is not confirmed to be Takahamagara. But it is implied that Takahamahara system and T-system are hinted to be one in the same?
Zedar90 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 If you think saya was the first prime field device then Hinata could have been another half of Es given it's own body somehow and that Es had amnesia but eventually regained her other half sorta and in a squeal she'll absorb Hinata to become whole again and probably became the master unit form BlazBlue.Well Hinata and Es are connected somehow maybe proably took 5 years for Es to be completed and Hinata could have amnesia as well. Also the T-system is it Tamhakgara from BlazBlue?Sorry for the dispelling But I am just asking. The reason for me thinking that Saya is that 1, Saya isn't human, Rachel said she is a "crystallization of seithr" and Kokonoe said that Prime Field's are humans made out of seithr (sure everything is seithr, but not made out of seithr). 2, the whole text on BBCP:MC cover "M(URA)KUMO (NO.)01 (SA)YA" The parts in () is covered by Jin's hands and Yukianesa. While it isn't confirmed med that Takamagahara-System is T-system what is known is: T-system is made by Takamagahara under the "Project Takamagahara". The T-system is said to require enormous energy, and in BBCP Terumi said that the Takamagahara-system needed enormous energy for usage.
Toxin45 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 The reason for me thinking that Saya is that 1, Saya isn't human, Rachel said she is a "crystallization of seithr" and Kokonoe said that Prime Field's are humans made out of seithr (sure everything is seithr, but not made out of seithr). 2, the whole text on BBCP:MC cover "M(URA)KUMO (NO.)01 (SA)YA" The parts in () is covered by Jin's hands and Yukianesa. While it isn't confirmed med that Takamagahara-System is T-system what is known is: T-system is made by Takamagahara under the "Project Takamagahara". The T-system is said to require enormous energy, and in BBCP Terumi said that the Takamagahara-system needed enormous energy for usage. Hm interesting Saya could be Alpha-1 and Ragna's No Es.5 could have been An Embryo Storage or Ellispon number 5.Jin could be number six as there were male prime field proably the power of order could be anti-seither. But what still bugs me is that Hinata's "feelings" were transferred to Es along withe Embryo for some odd reason.
Shinhwa Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Although Ragna is confirmed to be artificial human, it doesn't mean that he is a Prime Field. Jin is totally unknown.
Toxin45 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Although Ragna is confirmed to be artificial human, it doesn't mean that he is a Prime Field. Jin is totally unknown. So Ragna is just a "vessel" like kazuma then? I mean he did mentioned his soul being someone else.
Zedar90 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 So Ragna is just a "vessel" like kazuma then? I mean he did mentioned his soul being someone else. I don't think he really is a "vessel" since Ragna don't seem to be "controlled" by his soul. The only thing that is known is that he has a "created body" and he doesn't know "whose" soul it is that he has. But Ragna is Ragna. He doesn't have memories from a "past life", at least for the moment, and the why he acts is because of his upbringing.
Toxin45 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 I don't think he really is a "vessel" since Ragna don't seem to be "controlled" by his soul. The only thing that is known is that he has a "created body" and he doesn't know "whose" soul it is that he has. But Ragna is Ragna. He doesn't have memories from a "past life", at least for the moment, and the why he acts is because of his upbringing. Though after the events of CP seems to believe that something inside Ragna is coming out and could appear in the fourth game I mean he was referred to as the Origin after all could a second form of Ragna coming.Also we might see the wielder of the Master Unit finally.
Shinhwa Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 Though after the events of CP seems to believe that something inside Ragna is coming out and could appear in the fourth game I mean he was referred to as the Origin after all could a second form of Ragna coming.Also we might see the wielder of the Master Unit finally. No it's not............... What basis are you making this off? What Episode?
Toxin45 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 No it's not............... What basis are you making this off? What Episode? Well considering the last episode we might see just what is Ragna's "soul" in the Epilogue and I think it was during episodes 12 to 16 or something.
Shinhwa Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 The Epilogue had nothing to do with Ragna's soul =_= And Episode 12 = Only had Noel obtaining Mu-12 powers and Ragna going into the rescue Episode 13 = Ragna vs Azrael and Kagura vs Azrael Episode 14 = Makoto + Noel + Jin vs Tsubaki. Ragna only got treated and wished Jin and Noel best of their luck while Rachel told him that she will take him to the Doorway to the Zero and that once he does his future will become decided. Episode 15 = Ragna vs Hazama then he talks to Kagura and Kokonoe about Celica where then Ragna talks to Noel and Jin, then Ragna goes to the cauldron with Celica and Noel then travels back to 2100 AD period. Episode 16 = Ragna comes back from the past then he goes to Kokonoe to talk about Celica again cause she is planning on sacrificing Celica for the lynchpin, Noel calls Ragna Nii-sama and then Ragna, Celica and Noel go to find the lynchpin where he then fights against Bang and such then gets ambushed by Relius, Litchi and Nu. THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT SOMETHING UNKNOWN COMING OUT OF RAGNA AT ALL IN THESE EPISODES. Only thing that was shown in the above episodes were his personal development where he searches for the reason he fights and such. NO UNKNOWN INFLUENCE WAS COMING OUT OF RAGNA AT ALL GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT.
Toxin45 Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 The Epilogue had nothing to do with Ragna's soul =_= And Episode 12 = Only had Noel obtaining Mu-12 powers and Ragna going into the rescue Episode 13 = Ragna vs Azrael and Kagura vs Azrael Episode 14 = Makoto + Noel + Jin vs Tsubaki. Ragna only got treated and wished Jin and Noel best of their luck while Rachel told him that she will take him to the Doorway to the Zero and that once he does his future will become decided. Episode 15 = Ragna vs Hazama then he talks to Kagura and Kokonoe about Celica where then Ragna talks to Noel and Jin, then Ragna goes to the cauldron with Celica and Noel then travels back to 2100 AD period. Episode 16 = Ragna comes back from the past then he goes to Kokonoe to talk about Celica again cause she is planning on sacrificing Celica for the lynchpin, Noel calls Ragna Nii-sama and then Ragna, Celica and Noel go to find the lynchpin where he then fights against Bang and such then gets ambushed by Relius, Litchi and Nu. THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT SOMETHING UNKNOWN COMING OUT OF RAGNA AT ALL IN THESE EPISODES. Only thing that was shown in the above episodes were his personal development where he searches for the reason he fights and such. NO UNKNOWN INFLUENCE WAS COMING OUT OF RAGNA AT ALL GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT. Okay........Jeez.
cr1ms0n Posted January 15, 2014 Posted January 15, 2014 I wanna see more of Noel calling Ragna "Nii-sama" in the next game or if there ever is, in an extention to CP.
Shinhwa Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I wanna see more of Noel calling Ragna "Nii-sama" in the next game or if there ever is, in an extention to CP. CP Extension... I think the story mode will be pretty much the same except maybe add in more stuff to have it make more sense in a way, but I am not too sure about that. However for the next story game, then yeah I am pretty sure Noel will awaken as Saya and start calling Ragna Nii-sama then Ragna will go "HOLY GOD YOU WERE SAYA NOEL?! WHY DID I NOT SEE THE OBVIOUS OAO?!" Ok jokes aside... first thing first is to free Ragna from his current berserk state somehow and as Zedar said previously, Homura might have that ability since he is of Amanohokosaka lineage although back in XBLAZE, it was said that the bloodline was getting thin that even Mei had less powers compared to her ancestor's prime, so I am not too sure how much 150 years have changed the Amanohokosaka bloodline in terms of ability and power. The other one who may have the ability to free Ragna might be Celica as long as Ragna's Noise Canceller is shut down where Celica's power (Or the Lynchpin's effect in general) works against him again, although I am not too sure if it this method might work. Otherwise it might be just Ragna himself who may have to get over this predicament. Think of it as Ragna overcoming another trial to become stronger. I am more wondering if Mai were to enter the main story if she can have the ability to save Ragna somehow but that will depend on what kind of true ability she has in Remix Heart as not even that's revealed yet. Her currently revealed ability doesn't seem like it has the ability to save Ragna at all as it's a total mismatch.
kylehyde Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I can't really see anyone saving Ragna at this point. At the most I can see Celica calming him down if he can still notice people's faces or maybe hear her voice. Noel could probably have the same effect. But as for reversing the fact that he has to die or else the end of the world I find it doubtful. However I don't see him dying as a bad thing for the story. So it kind of leads me to believe that Mori does have that in mind and is going to run with it. Rachel is going to die too no doubt. At least that's my predicition. I'm assuming that Ragna's body would be the one dying while his soul will continue to exist. He is an artificial being, he could just get a new body. However if his soul is what's evil then he is shit out of luck Edited January 16, 2014 by kylehyde
Toxin45 Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I want XBlaze in the next game what with homura being related to Mei and all.Also I want to see more secrets revealed be they expansions or squeals. Although I want Ragna's reaction to Celica being the sister and Noel being Saya Also his reaction to Hakumen being Jin. Edited January 16, 2014 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I can't really see anyone saving Ragna at this point. At the most I can see Celica calming him down if he can still notice people's faces or maybe hear her voice. Noel could probably have the same effect. But as for reversing the fact that he has to die or else the end of the world I find it doubtful. However I don't see him dying as a bad thing for the story. So it kind of leads me to believe that Mori does have that in mind and is going to run with it. Rachel is going to die too no doubt. At least that's my predicition. I'm assuming that Ragna's body would be the one dying while his soul will continue to exist. He is an artificial being, he could just get a new body. However if his soul is what's evil then he is shit out of luck I don't think it's that simple. And no, there are ways to save Ragna. The possibilities exist and if you consider how many relationships and bonds Ragna has developed with majority of the characters by CP, then it's not surprising they will lend him a hand by saving him from his current condition. Also the fact you have to consider the world's state right now which is corrupt and twisted, which needs to be taken down and system renewed. And the fact that the only way to save the world's current horrible state with everyone being turned into seithr is to help Amaterasu by helping her fulfill the story that she is trying to write, where the "Girl (Monster that devours the entire world)" doesn't get killed and is saved instead. However as you know, "Heroes (Eiyuu)" aren't the ones who will fulfill this duty as they were known to be always the one who killed the girl (The Dark One must be destroyed) = AKA Jin and Hakumen aren't the ones who have the qualifications to help Amaterasu fulfill the story she wants. Rachel I am not too sure if she will die. If she gonna die, Valkenhayn has to die first lol. Certainly she might disappear or something in the end for some reason, who knows. Ragna dying ain't the solution to the current fiasco that's happening in the world. Another fact is how we don't even know why he has the capabilities and potential to become the "Guardian of the Azure", and we don't even know what role it even has. If I had to guess, it is probably someone who saves and protects, hence "Guardian". Ragna may die in the end but there is also the possibility that his soul will be salvaged from his dying body and put into a newly made one for sure (Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel reference anyone?). I mean it would be sad for him to die when he has been saving the world from destruction several times (Dark War, Stopping Kusanagi from killing Amaterasu, etc.). Although he may have to pay for his crimes for killing thousands of NOL soldiers in the past :I Edited January 16, 2014 by Shinhwa
Toxin45 Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I don't think it's that simple. And no, there are ways to save Ragna. The possibilities exist and if you consider how many relationships and bonds Ragna has developed with majority of the characters by CP, then it's not surprising they will lend him a hand by saving him from his current condition. Also the fact you have to consider the world's state right now which is corrupt and twisted, which needs to be taken down and system renewed. And the fact that the only way to save the world's current horrible state with everyone being turned into seithr is to help Amaterasu by helping her fulfill the story that she is trying to write, where the "Girl (Monster that devours the entire world)" doesn't get killed and is saved instead. However as you know, "Heroes (Eiyuu)" aren't the ones who will fulfill this duty as they were known to be always the one who killed the girl (The Dark One must be destroyed) = AKA Jin and Hakumen aren't the ones who have the qualifications to help Amaterasu fulfill the story she wants. Rachel I am not too sure if she will die. If she gonna die, Valkenhayn has to die first lol. Certainly she might disappear or something in the end for some reason, who knows. Ragna dying ain't the solution to the current fiasco that's happening in the world. Another fact is how we don't even know why he has the capabilities and potential to become the "Guardian of the Azure", and we don't even know what role it even has. If I had to guess, it is probably someone who saves and protects, hence "Guardian". Ragna may die in the end but there is also the possibility that his soul will be salvaged from his dying body and put into a newly made one for sure (Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel reference anyone?). I mean it would be sad for him to die when he has been saving the world from destruction several times (Dark War, Stopping Kusanagi from killing Amaterasu, etc.). Although he may have to pay for his crimes for killing thousands of NOL soldiers in the past :I He may get good behavior and get out early.Out of couriosty would ragna get a second form in the next game but unlike the others it's permanent.So what do you think?
heavymetalmixer Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I don't think it's that simple. And no, there are ways to save Ragna. The possibilities exist and if you consider how many relationships and bonds Ragna has developed with majority of the characters by CP, then it's not surprising they will lend him a hand by saving him from his current condition. Also the fact you have to consider the world's state right now which is corrupt and twisted, which needs to be taken down and system renewed. And the fact that the only way to save the world's current horrible state with everyone being turned into seithr is to help Amaterasu by helping her fulfill the story that she is trying to write, where the "Girl (Monster that devours the entire world)" doesn't get killed and is saved instead. However as you know, "Heroes (Eiyuu)" aren't the ones who will fulfill this duty as they were known to be always the one who killed the girl (The Dark One must be destroyed) = AKA Jin and Hakumen aren't the ones who have the qualifications to help Amaterasu fulfill the story she wants. Rachel I am not too sure if she will die. If she gonna die, Valkenhayn has to die first lol. Certainly she might disappear or something in the end for some reason, who knows. Ragna dying ain't the solution to the current fiasco that's happening in the world. Another fact is how we don't even know why he has the capabilities and potential to become the "Guardian of the Azure", and we don't even know what role it even has. If I had to guess, it is probably someone who saves and protects, hence "Guardian". Ragna may die in the end but there is also the possibility that his soul will be salvaged from his dying body and put into a newly made one for sure (Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel reference anyone?). I mean it would be sad for him to die when he has been saving the world from destruction several times (Dark War, Stopping Kusanagi from killing Amaterasu, etc.). Although he may have to pay for his crimes for killing thousands of NOL soldiers in the past :I First, that right arm has to be taken down.
Shinhwa Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 First, that right arm has to be taken down. Actually about his BlazBlue. The fact is that Ragna hasn't understood the meaning and purpose of his right arm yet, and even Rachel said that although it's a fake, it's not something that simple where it is an evil power that takes things away or something. If you consider the fact BlazBlue is a name taken from Brave, Blaze, and Blue, there has to be another meaning towards its true purpose. For example, BlazBlue might ordinarily look like some kind of evil power but what if there was a condition for the user to achieve in order for BlazBlue to show its true purpose and power? If you consider Rachel's comments about the Azure Grimoire: BlazBlue, then I don't think Ragna's right arm is something simple as an evil power that can turn you into a Black Beast or something. I think there is a hidden meaning or a condition for it which the user must achieve.
kibakirain Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Regarding about Ragna's death, I really feel like Ragna is going to killed by Jin.
kagaribito Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Crack theory: Ragna has Girl's soul inside him, and now he became a mini-"Monster", and thus he needs to be saved instead of killed.
Shinhwa Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Crack theory: Ragna has Girl's soul inside him, and now he became a mini-"Monster", and thus he needs to be saved instead of killed. You mean this?
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