Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Shinhwa]

Carl will definitely go through a change, whether it is good or bad. And I stated this before weeks ago, but Rachel has stated Carl does have some kind of role to fulfill but he has not done so yet (Well he barely had any relevance towards the main plot at all). He probably has to meet some kind of requirement or condition and then use the knowledge and skill he gains from it to fulfill the role he is given.

[Toxin45]

Carl will definitely go through a change, whether it is good or bad. And I stated this before weeks ago, but Rachel has stated Carl does have some kind of role to fulfill but he has not done so yet. He probably has to meet some kind of requirement or condition and then use the knowledge and skill he gains from it to fulfill the role he is given.

I really want it to be good just ...good.

[Shinhwa]

It might have to be the thing with Nine coming to the conclusion that Terumi made Relius and Ayatsuki summon the Black Beast in order to make an intervention to the Master Unit. Terumi was surprised that Nine learned about that fact. It might also be troublesome that Nine is in the knowledge about the war in the Age of Origin(原初の時代).

About Phantom, I don't think she will turn good, at least for a longer period of time. It is Izanami that binds Nine's soul to the Phantom vessel.

Amane's goal might be to free Amaterasu from the Amaterasu Unit (he is called Uzume by Rachel after all), it is stated in his profile that he hates Hikikomori, and in a way you can count Amaterasu as one. The reason why he is so fixated on Carl is that he want Carl to make a vessel for Amaterasu?

Amane seriously doesn't seem to give it his all when he fights, where he is always playful and such. He even says that Ragna is no match for him.

And I am not too sure if I mentioned this before, but apparently Amane knows Nu. If you see Amane's line with Nu, he says "Haven't I seen you somewhere before...? But this killing intent... You aren't a nobody are you?".

I wish it is covered in the future why Amane knows Nu. (Don't bring up Es, because that is not the case)

But Amane also considers that Azure has nothing to do with himself when he fights against Mu-12. But that's expected as he is an observer.

If you also consider the fact Amane's power is related to time (Like how his Astral makes the victims turn into their younger/previous selves), it is possible he is related to the Sankishin somehow.

As for the next story though, I think it is unlikely that there will be totally unknown brand new characters being added into the game. If new characters are going to be added, I would say characters from Remix Heart being added into the main story is more likely, but that will have to wait till Remix Heart itself is over.

Edited January 17, 2014 by Shinhwa

[kylehyde]

Amane seriously doesn't seem to give it his all when he fights, where he is always playful and such. He even says that Ragna is no match for him.

And I am not too sure if I mentioned this before, but apparently Amane knows Nu. If you see Amane's line with Nu, he says "Haven't I seen you somewhere before...? But this killing intent... You aren't a nobody are you?".

I wish it is covered in the future why Amane knows Nu. (Don't bring up Es, because that is not the case)

But Amane also considers that Azure has nothing to do with himself when he fights against Mu-12. But that's expected as he is an observer.

If you also consider the fact Amane's power is related to time (Like how his Astral makes the victims turn into their younger/previous selves), it is possible he is related to the Sankishin somehow.

As for the next story though, I think it is unlikely that there will be totally unknown brand new characters being added into the game. If new characters are going to be added, I would say characters from Remix Heart being added into the main story is more likely, but that will have to wait till Remix Heart itself is over.

Could it be that he recognizes Nu's face because of her resemblance to Saya? But that wouldn't hold up if he doesn't react the same way towards Noel.

Saya seems to be a central figure in the world of Blazblue, wouldn't surprise me If he has met her before.

Edited January 17, 2014 by kylehyde

[Master Of Chaos]

Amane apologizes for mistaking Noel for a boy in his arcade quote against her. I don't believe he says anything like towards Noel in their battle in Noel's Arcade ether.

[kylehyde]

Amane apologizes for mistaking Noel for a boy in his arcade quote against her. I don't believe he says anything like towards Noel in their battle in Noel's Arcade ether.

Nice to know that the running Noel gag continues lol.

Well if that's the case then maybe he has met Nu before.

edit: Maybe he knew Lambda? Although I must admit that I know practically nothing about Lambda's past. But she and Nu do look awfully alike.

Edited January 17, 2014 by kylehyde

[Master Of Chaos]

There's nothing about Lambda that we can assume that. And Lambda looks more like Noel than Nu IMO, you're probably thinking about when they have their Murakumo battle armor on.

[Tokkan]

As for the next story though, I think it is unlikely that there will be totally unknown brand new characters being added into the game. If new characters are going to be added, I would say characters from Remix Heart being added into the main story is more likely, but that will have to wait till Remix Heart itself is over.

I can't see Remix Heart going much longer than 5 volumes, it could very well be over by the end of this year or early next.

[Toxin45]

Saya being a central figure nice ,somehow that doesn't surprise me either given what's happen.

[kylehyde]

There's nothing about Lambda that we can assume that. And Lambda looks more like Noel than Nu IMO, you're probably thinking about when they have their Murakumo battle armor on.

Could be because of the armor then. Although like I said I really know next to nothing about Lambda so I was just throwing it out there as a possibility and nothing more. I think Lambda has the same ponytail Nu has. Which is exactly why (to me) she looks a lot like Nu.

I can't remember if Ragna commented on it but I think he mistook Lambda for Nu one time. Although I'm not sure if it was in the anime or in the game. Also taking into account if she had the armor on or not at the time.

[Master Of Chaos]

It was in the Anime.

[Shinhwa]

In case you guys forgot, Lambda was stuck in the lab nearly dead until Tager salvaged her. So it's impossible that Amane met Lambda. He wasn't even in Kagutsuchi either.

As for Ragna thinking Lambda was Nu (which he was right about), he did in both Arcade Mode and the Anime, but not the Story Mode.

This just a hypothesis, but what if Amane identified Nu as "Girl (Monster)", which he saw/met before in previous timeloops when Amaterasu's previous "Story" failed due to it meeting the permanent ending where the "Girl (Monster)" died?

Because as I said before, the only girl that matches the description of the "Girl (Monster that devours the entire world)" is Nu because of her being the Heart of the Black Beast, where she is inside it. Also the fact the only Monster known to devour the world is the Black Beast.

Also guys, I added a History Timeline page on the blazblue wiki, which I translated off the Chronophantasma Material Collection.

http://blazblue.wikia.com/wiki/History

I can't see Remix Heart going much longer than 5 volumes, it could very well be over by the end of this year or early next.

That's what I think too. If I had to guess, if Remix Heart characters are going to be added into the Next Story, then Remix Heart has to end first.

That's what happened for Phase Shift and Chronophantasma, where Phase Shift ended first on 2012 Sept 20th before Chronophantasma Arcade was released on November 21, 2012, which was when Hazama's Arcade mode revealed Celica appearing.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Shinhwa

[kylehyde]

Well when you put it that way Nu seems to be the only viable option at this point. However given that Rachel knows everything and more than likely knows who that girl is, I'm surprised she doesn't take a more personal stake on what happens to Nu. I mean I don't know if she does, does she even mention Nu by name or at least talks about her in CP? The only thing I can recall of Rachel ever mentioning Nu is during Calamity Trigger when she calls her a poor little doll.

And I'm pretty sure Remix Heart will end by the time BlazeBlue 4 comes rolling around two years from now.

[Toxin45]

Well when you put it that way Nu seems to be the only viable option at this point. However given that Rachel knows everything and more than likely knows who that girl is, I'm surprised she doesn't take a more personal stake on what happens to Nu. I mean I don't know if she does, does she even mention Nu by name or at least talks about her in CP? The only thing I can recall of Rachel ever mentioning Nu is during Calamity Trigger when she calls her a poor little doll.

And I'm pretty sure Remix Heart will end by the time BlazeBlue 4 comes rolling around two years from now.

It seems you gotta point there but man that story of the world is really getting confusing:confused: and the girl,monster,and the hero better be revealed I don't care if there surprising I want it to happen:yaaay:

[Shinhwa]

Well when you put it that way Nu seems to be the only viable option at this point. However given that Rachel knows everything and more than likely knows who that girl is, I'm surprised she doesn't take a more personal stake on what happens to Nu. I mean I don't know if she does, does she even mention Nu by name or at least talks about her in CP? The only thing I can recall of Rachel ever mentioning Nu is during Calamity Trigger when she calls her a poor little doll.

And I'm pretty sure Remix Heart will end by the time BlazeBlue 4 comes rolling around two years from now.

Only thing Rachel does to Nu is that:

1. She tells Nu that she is dreaming in her arcade/story mode personally (CT)

2. Tells Nu that her face is becoming "annoying" to see, while saying that Nu should really hold back considering her obsession towards Ragna. (CT, after she defeats Nu in battle)

3. Wonders what Nu wants so badly (CP, before fighting)

4. Tells Nu that her obsession is something to be admired of, but that Nu doesn't have any place to be and tells her to go back to the bottom of hell (CP).

Sometimes their lines can be taken seriously as a sort of hint for future stories but sometimes they don't have to be taken that seriously.

Only time Rachel calls Nu by her name is Ragna's Gag reel but that's it and that's not canon. =w=;

Anyhow this is how it is:

Amaterasu (Writer of the Story), wants to make a story where a "Girl" who is also a monster itself, to be saved by a certain hero.

However the Hero never hears the girl's pleas and just kills her. Because she is a monster.

Only "Heroes" I can think of in such case are Jin and Hakumen, and their "The Dark One must be destroys" statement proves it that they will in the end destroy the evil no matter what, because it is a "dark one" and they know it is a "monster", which will destroy/devour the world.

We know that the only "monster" that devours the world is the Black Beast, and the only "Girl" to become a Monster that devours the World is Nu. So she would be put as the 1st suspect of being the "Girl (Monster who devours the world)"

Terumi and Mu-12/Noel tried to become one but it failed since Noel rejected Terumi, so that's out of the equation.

Although Izanami is technically a monster in terms of power, and that Saya's vessel is captured by her, Izanami isn't really a "monster that devours the world". I would put Izanami as a 2nd suspect of being the "Girl (Monster who devours the world)".

Amaterasu is looking for a hero that "saves" and "rescues". Ragna falls into that category since he is fighting to save and protect right now. It might be the main role that the Guardian of the Azure is given. However Ragna probably did not meet the requirements or condition to become the Guardian of the Azure just yet, so we can't say for sure right now.

But as an opposite, Ragna also falls under that category where he tries to kill the Girl who is to become a monster (Nu), because as you guys have seen, he never heard Nu's pleas or anything and just tried to kill/destroy her no matter what. And that only ended as his downfall which ended the "Story" and time rewinded back to AD 2100.

Only contradiction is that

1. Ragna has never defeated Nu in CT timeline

2. Ragna would never become a "Hero" even if he defeated Nu (although it might have him avoid fusing with her becoming the Black Beast)

Although Ragna and Nu's battle is similar to how Amaterasu's story goes, there are contradictions when compared to Amaterasu's story that I don't think CT was the key towards Amaterasu's story at the time.

They may have been similar but they weren't exactly the same and were pretty much off how it went in Amaterasu's story.

Ragna is no hero nor does he become one. Jin and Hakumen falls under that category more.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Shinhwa

[Toxin45]

Only thing Rachel does to Nu is that:

1. She tells Nu that she is dreaming in her arcade/story mode personally (CT)

2. Tells Nu that her face is becoming "annoying" to see, while saying that Nu should really hold back considering her obsession towards Ragna. (CT, after she defeats Nu in battle)

3. Wonders what Nu wants so badly (CP, before fighting)

4. Tells Nu that her obsession is something to be admired of, but that Nu doesn't have any place to be and tells her to go back to the bottom of hell (CP).

Sometimes their lines can be taken seriously as a sort of hint for future stories but sometimes they don't have to be taken that seriously.

Only time Rachel calls Nu by her name is Ragna's Gag reel but that's it and that's not canon. =w=;

Probably more of the not serious part or rather in more joking over about them being rivals for Ragna's affection,lol.

But in Seriousness It seems Rachel really doesn't like Nu for some reason.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

Rachel never really showed much care towards Nu at all. Only thing that is confusing is why she had involved herself with Nu when Nu was dreaming in the Boundary.

You could just say she was just "checking" upon the actor, but I don't think it was really something that simple. There probably was another reason. It may have to do with why Rachel had involved herself with both Noel and Nu altogether in the past.

[Toxin45]

Rachel never really showed much care towards Nu at all. Only thing that is confusing is why she had involved herself with Nu when Nu was dreaming in the Boundary.

You could just say she was just "checking" upon the actor, but I don't think it was really something that simple. There probably was another reason. It may have to do with why Rachel had involved herself with both Noel and Nu altogether in the past.

Also about Tenjo and his clan how long did they run the title of Imperator?Also How did they get usurp by Izanami and her gang before the Ikagura federation? That's what I am asking.

Also in CP Ragna did answered to Nu's "pleas" and did became more of hero but for some reason denied them could be the azure or Izanami controling her and from what I remember of the story The Story seemed more like Amateratsu's story them Nu's.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

It is unknown how long Amanohokosaka had run for Imperator. It is known that they are a imperial family, but it is not known how long they had political powers for the past 150 years since Mei's time.

Fact is, Tenjou had hidden the fact that he was the imperator, which Hazama took advantage of by calling him a rebel by putting Izanami as the new imperator.

Your second sentence doesn't really make sense. Please write proper grammar...

[kylehyde]

Ragna is no hero nor does he become one. Jin and Hakumen falls under that category more.

Let's not forget that Celica and Jubei consider Ragna to be the unsung hero of the darkwar. I believe you mentioned that Celica considers Ragna to be a "Yuusha." To me that gives some credibility of Ragna being said Hero in the story.

And wow, Rachel actually tells Nu to go back to the bottom of hell? That certainly isn't a good sign...

I believe Toxin had mentioned in a previous post that English wasn't his first language, so it's not that surprising that his sentences sometimes don't make too much sense. I'll give him a pass. Although double posting, no way.

Edited January 18, 2014 by kylehyde

[Toxin45]

It is unknown how long Amanohokosaka had run for Imperator. It is known that they are a imperial family, but it is not known how long they had political powers for the past 150 years since Mei's time.

Fact is, Tenjou had hidden the fact that he was the imperator, which Hazama took advantage of by calling him a rebel by putting Izanami as the new imperator.

Your second sentence doesn't really make sense. Please write proper grammar...

I mean doesn't the story of the world also somewhat describe Amateratsu herself? I mean she could be a suspect for the girl/monster thing.

Also Rachel telling Nu to go to the underworld is really not a good sign is right dude.

[Shinhwa]

Amaterasu is not a monster that devours the world, and if Amaterasu was, it would mean she would already be dead long time ago due to being killed. The description for the writer is that it was a girl who was imprisoned in a jail.

The Jail may depict the Boundary itself or it is possible that the huge obstacle shown in CP which is shown to be Amaterasu is actually like a jail that keeps its possessor inside it.

Also in the game, the girl who was the writer of the story and the girl who was the monster were differentiated. So they are different individuals.

Nu has one of the characters with the most death flags in the entire Blazblue cast due to her characteristics.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Shinhwa

[Toxin45]

Amaterasu is not a monster that devours the world, and if Amaterasu was, it would mean she would already be dead long time ago due to being killed. The description for the writer is that it was a girl who was imprisoned in a jail.

The Jail may depict the Boundary itself or it is possible that the huge obstacle shown in CP which is shown to be Amaterasu is actually like a jail that keeps its possessor inside it.

Also in the game, the girl who was the writer of the story and the girl who was the monster were differentiated. So they are different individuals.

Nu has one of the characters with the most death flags in the entire Blazblue cast due to her characteristics.

Oh right So the girl in the amateratsu unit is the writer of the story and is imprisoned in some way and the girl who is the monster is obviously Nu and the Black Beast by some extension.Although the Beast and the Master unit along with the boundary could have be the imprisonment to each girls.

Also to some extend can Terumi's ghost can be in physical form? I mean his render seems to imply that his ghost can materialize a human form.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

It's not confirmed or is it obvious that the Girl (Monster) is Nu. Right now there are only two prime suspects that match the description and they are Nu and Izanami. It's just that both them have a bit of a contradiction towards the description given by Rachel in her story.

Black Beast can't really apply to being an imprisonment considering Nu had become the Black Beast with Ragna out of her own will. This is the contradiction that exists for her when compared to the story given by Rachel. Izanami I already explained her contradiction towards the Story, that she isn't a Monster that devours the world.

If you consider Nu and Izanami's contradictions when compared to the description given, Izanami's contradiction has a more impact towards her being the lesser suspect as the story outright tells that The Girl was a monster who devours the entire world, and because Izanami is a mismatch towards that description she has a more higher chance in NOT being the Girl described in the story.

Master Unit itself might be a prison for the possessor but that's not confirmed so can't really make much theories out of it. But considering Rachel does say that Amaterasu is a Girl, it does probably mean someone is inside that huge mecha object.

Terumi seems to be able to do physical attacks even as a spiritual body as proven by his attack towards the church, although it is possible that it was just through the use of Uroboros that he was able to do physical attacks. (Celica was killed as Terumi had punctured her neck by using Uroboros).

Also, to continue on with the subject on Carl, there is one thing I forgot to mention.

In Relius' Story Mode, he mentions that Carl has the capabilities to become an Observer.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Shinhwa

[Toxin45]

It's not confirmed or is it obvious that the Girl (Monster) is Nu. Right now there are only two prime suspects that match the description and they are Nu and Izanami. It's just that both them have a bit of a contradiction towards the description given by Rachel in her story.

Black Beast can't really apply to being an imprisonment considering Nu had become the Black Beast with Ragna out of her own will. This is the contradiction that exists for her when compared to the story given by Rachel. Izanami I already explained her contradiction towards the Story, that she isn't a Monster that devours the world.

If you consider Nu and Izanami's contradictions when compared to the description given, Izanami's contradiction has a more impact towards her being the lesser suspect as the story outright tells that The Girl was a monster who devours the entire world, and because Izanami is a mismatch towards that description she has a more higher chance in NOT being the Girl described in the story.

Master Unit itself might be a prison for the possessor but that's not confirmed so can't really make much theories out of it. But considering Rachel does say that Amaterasu is a Girl, it does probably mean someone is inside that huge mecha object.

Terumi seems to be able to do physical attacks even as a spiritual body as proven by his attack towards the church, although it is possible that it was just through the use of Uroboros that he was able to do physical attacks. (Celica was killed as Terumi had punctured her neck by using Uroboros).

Also, to continue on with the subject on Carl, there is one thing I forgot to mention.

In Relius' Story Mode, he mentions that Carl has the capabilities to become an Observer.

Really Carl as an observer? That's new so Carl has the potential to be an observer and Terumi is implied that even as a ghost he can get a physical body but still has to use his vessel to maintain his existence.Do you see some of this?