Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[SuzakuRainmaker]

So I finally found time to beat the Extend stories, and I've been thinking a lot about Bullet's in particular. What's everyone's take on pre-op!Tager being shown as a coward to his troops?

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[VermilionBird]

 the Wiki doesn't include Library information besides the page names (links go to character entries instead).

Eh, not their fault in fairness. Page was made back when the Japanese Library was all that existed. 

[churchblue]

I'm still interested in what happened to Naoto in the time gap.

[mAc Chaos]

So I finally found time to beat the Extend stories, and I've been thinking a lot about Bullet's in particular. What's everyone's take on pre-op!Tager being shown as a coward to his troops?

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I thought the only new EX stories aside from Remix Heart were gag ends? Or is that a gag end?

[Dawn of Musou]

There were also 3 extra stories that expand on Bullet, Kokonoe and Kagura.

[SuzakuRainmaker]

I thought the only new EX stories aside from Remix Heart were gag ends? Or is that a gag end?

Nah, Koko, Kagura, and Bullet each got small stories in addition to the gag reels and Calamity Trigger recap.

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form what I understand , the blood-edge experience novels should only be  2 parts right ? and form the look

of things , ragna might really die and naoto might inherit   his title and well maybe even his other arm  maybe ?  kinda looks like that's what ARC is  going for ,seams like tekken 3 all over again ,  with a  little dash of  mark of the wolves add in  which means , ragna might have a student ?  like terry did ? mind you I didn't  get extended  yet , since am waiting for the vita release , since I do competitive  on my vita   so I might not know what stuff they add for the story , in that regards       

[mAc Chaos]

^You should clean up your posts. The better written they are, the more people will read it, the more replies you get.

Nah, Koko, Kagura, and Bullet each got small stories in addition to the gag reels and Calamity Trigger recap.

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Just watched it.

It doesn't look like the Captain was being cowardly or a traitor. It looked like he was running away because the others bought him time.

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^You should clean up your posts. The better written they are, the more people will read it, the more replies you get.

Just watched it.

It doesn't look like the Captain was being cowardly or a traitor. It looked like he was running away because the others bought him time.

how about now ?  I am not sure how well written they need to be . I  know  I have no issue reading it 

[Zedar90]

 

form what I understand , the blood-edge experience novels should only be  2 parts right ? and form the look

of things , ragna might really die and naoto might inherit   his title and well maybe even his other arm  maybe ?  kinda looks like that's what ARC is  going for ,seams like tekken 3 all over again ,  with a  little dash of  mark of the wolves add in  which means , ragna might have a student ?  like terry did ? mind you I didn't  get extended  yet , since am waiting for the vita release , since I do competitive  on my vita   so I might not know what stuff they add for the story , in that regards       

 

Try not to use double spaces or leave a space between question marks and the words, it makes it to hard to read if there are too much space between the words.

 

The novel series that are called Bloodedge Experience are indeed two parts, and there won't be a book called Bloodedge Experience part 3.

However, there might be more LN about Naoto and Raquel, there are too many hanging plot threads that probably can't be answered in BBCF, and the third or so book could bridge together CF and BE better.

 

Naoto could probably not go directly into CF after BE. Naoto's new clothes, Naoto being so much better at using Bloodedge (he could barely use it in BE), Naoto knowing about Murakumo Unit (in BE, he had only seen one but not knowing it's name), why does Naoto now have that mark on the chest, did something happen with the cultural festival, what happened with the 8 drive users, what did Mitsurugi Agency do after the incident with Spinner, who is the Hazama at the end of BE.

 

And why should Naoto inherit the title if Ragna dies? Naoto exist, timeline wise, before Ragna so the title Bloodedge would more likely start from Naoto. Or maybe not from Naoto since he is the second known Bloodedge user timeline wise.

And I don't think that Ragna will ever have a student, he doesn't seem to be the type that could teach other people.

[Tsuki Garyuu]

Followed by Nu-13 stabbing him in the gut...again. Because Ragna was stupid enough to extend a helping hand to her...again. Because we can't have a Blazblue game where Ragna isn't being used as a pincushion for someone's bladed objects...again.

 

 

 

Hazama: Ugh, cut the foreplay and JUST FUCK ALREADY.

 

Although Ragna being so stupid as to get fused by Nu at the end of CP might as well count.

[kylehyde]

Kind of makes you wonder where the "Bloodedge" in Ragna the Bloodedge even came from.

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Try not to use double spaces or leave a space between question marks and the words, it makes it to hard to read if there are too much space between the words.

The novel series that are called Bloodedge Experience are indeed two parts, and there won't be a book called Bloodedge Experience part 3.

However, there might be more LN about Naoto and Raquel, there are too many hanging plot threads that probably can't be answered in BBCF, and the third or so book could bridge together CF and BE better.

Naoto could probably not go directly into CF after BE. Naoto's new clothes, Naoto being so much better at using Bloodedge (he could barely use it in BE), Naoto knowing about Murakumo Unit (in BE, he had only seen one but not knowing it's name), why does Naoto now have that mark on the chest, did something happen with the cultural festival, what happened with the 8 drive users, what did Mitsurugi Agency do after the incident with Spinner, who is the Hazama at the end of BE.

And why should Naoto inherit the title if Ragna dies? Naoto exist, timeline wise, before Ragna so the title Bloodedge would more likely start from Naoto. Or maybe not from Naoto since he is the second known Bloodedge user timeline wise.

And I don't think that Ragna will ever have a student, he doesn't seem to be the type that could teach other people.

okay thanks I will try not to , but back on topic I agree that Naoto is the second bloodege user in the timeline but in terms of power he still got ways to go , I mean Ragna is in his 20s and has had at few years of training by Jubei while Naoto is strong he still pretty young and inexperience compared to Ragna ,that what I mean by inherit ,true Ragna is not the type to have students BUT so was Sol and he has Sin now ,plus he is dying if is his really is going to die like the story says he would need someone to carry on his legacy, but will he die as a hero is the question

oh here is a Theory I thought of what if ,Rachel brought naoto to replace Ragna,because remember what Rachel said that if Ragna is left alone he will die own his own because of the black beast in him so am thinking their world no matter what it is can't exist with out a bloodedge , which is why if ragna dies and there is no other bloodedge .

the space time continuum of BB will collapse on itself

[Zedar90]

I cleaned up the text so I could read it easier. I also combined the two posts.

Okay thanks,  I will try not to.

But back on topic I agree that Naoto is the second bloodege user in the timeline,  but in terms of power he still got ways to go.

I mean Ragna is in his 20s and has had at few years of  training by Jubei while Naoto is strong he still pretty young and inexperience compared to Ragna, that what I mean by inherit, true Ragna is not the type to have students, BUT so was Sol and he has Sin now. Plus he is dying if is his really is going to die like the story says he would need someone to  carry on his legacy, but will he die as a hero is the question.

 

Oh here is a Theory I thought of what if, Rachel brought Naoto to replace Ragna, because remember what Rachel said that if Ragna is left alone he will die own his own because of the black beast in him so am thinking their world no matter what it is can't exist with out a Bloodedge, which

is why if Ragna dies  and there is no other bloodedge.

The space time continuum of BB will collapse on itself

But the thing is Ragna doesn't have anything to truly teach someone. All of the special things that Ragna known is now gone due to his amnesia. And his fighting techniques for fighting is anything special. I feel that Ragna usually thinks that if something didn't work, he didn't strike hard enough. Also, Ragna doesn't want to be around people since he kills them due to the effect of his Soul Eater.

I don't think that Ragna cares about his legacy, he is who he is, and all he wants to do is to make sure that he can save his friends. 

 

Naoto doesn't lack the knowledge of how to fight, he was taught martial arts by his mother when he was a kid. It's only the experience of fighting for his life that he lacks. And that is something he gains every time he fights.

 

I don't think that Naoto is there to replace Ragna or was brought there by Rachel. Especially if Naoto is the origin, or stopgap, of Ragna's soul. He is probably there to search for Raquel so that he could fulfill the promise. And he probably is also an unexpected factor that could show an opening to get of the situation they now are in, whatever that situation is.

 

We don't(or at least I) know what Bloodedge is, and if it's even important to the world. All we know about Ragna is that he is the Destroyer of the World, someone that breaks all orders in the world. But it's not known if it is due to Bloodedge or something else.

 

What I know about Bloodedge(the drive) is:

The first Bloodedge user, it's never called by the name, it's only known as a drive to manipulate blood. But based on how it's used, and the Naoto can use Bloodedge without his hair turning white, I don't doubt that it's Bloodedge.

For Naoto, it's know by the name by Kiiro and Spinner. It seemed that Kiiro knew somewhat the Naoto had it, and Spinner were surprised and didn't believe what he saw when he saw Naoto using it and knew it's name.

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I cleaned up the text so I could read it easier. I also combined the two posts.

But the thing is Ragna doesn't have anything to truly teach someone. All of the special things that Ragna known is now gone due to his amnesia. And his fighting techniques for fighting is anything special. I feel that Ragna usually thinks that if something didn't work, he didn't strike hard enough. Also, Ragna doesn't want to be around people since he kills them due to the effect of his Soul Eater.

I don't think that Ragna cares about his legacy, he is who he is, and all he wants to do is to make sure that he can save his friends. 

 

Naoto doesn't lack the knowledge of how to fight, he was taught martial arts by his mother when he was a kid. It's only the experience of fighting for his life that he lacks. And that is something he gains every time he fights.

 

I don't think that Naoto is there to replace Ragna or was brought there by Rachel. Especially if Naoto is the origin, or stopgap, of Ragna's soul. He is probably there to search for Raquel so that he could fulfill the promise. And he probably is also an unexpected factor that could show an opening to get of the situation they now are in, whatever that situation is.

 

We don't(or at least I) know what Bloodedge is, and if it's even important to the world. All we know about Ragna is that he is the Destroyer of the World, someone that breaks all orders in the world. But it's not known if it is due to Bloodedge or something else.

 

What I know about Bloodedge(the drive) is:

The first Bloodedge user, it's never called by the name, it's only known as a drive to manipulate blood. But based on how it's used, and the Naoto can use Bloodedge without his hair turning white, I don't doubt that it's Bloodedge.

For Naoto, it's know by the name by Kiiro and Spinner. It seemed that Kiiro knew somewhat the Naoto had it, and Spinner were surprised and didn't believe what he saw when he saw Naoto using it and knew it's name.

oh sorry about that I was trying make it readable.

oh I didn't know,Ragna lost his memories ?  I don't remember that in chrono phantasma .

oh I know that   Naoto  learned  martial arts from his mom  , am just saying if you compare it to Ragna's .  its nothing to what jubei  taught  him  , also  am  not sure if the novels brought it up since  bean a very long time since I read it but  dose naoto   have his own  blazblue like terumi and ragna ? I mean is family name  is terumi so there would be a connection to him and terumi , it makes you wonder how long terumi lived  and would Soul Eater even have an effect on naoto ?  I mean his arm  might negate its effects.

                  

[VermilionBird]

Oh sorry about that I was trying make it readable, oh I didn't know Ragna lost his memories? I don't remember that in Chrono Phantasma.

Oh I know Naoto learned  martial arts from his master, I am just saying if you compare it to Ragna's, it's nothing to what Jubei taught him, also I am not sure if the novels brought it up since its been a very long time since I read it but does Naoto have his own blazblue like Terumi and Ragna? I mean his family is Terumi so there would be a connection to him and Terumi. It makes you wonder how long Terumi's lived.

Straightened it out for you.

Ragna lost his memories at the end of CPEX. Naoto doesn't have an Azure Grimoire, and Terumi isn't his real name. Yuuki Terumi is just an alias, so it's unlikely he's related to Naoto.

[Zedar90]

oh sorry about that I was trying make it readable.

oh I didn't know,Ragna lost his memories ?  I don't remember that in chrono phantasma .

oh I know that   Naoto  learned  martial arts from his master , am just saying if you compare it to Ragna's .  its nothing to what jubei  taught  him  , also  am  not sure if the novels brought it up since  bean a very long time since I read it but  dose naoto   have his own  blazblue like terumi and ragna , I mean is family is terumi so there would be a connection to him and terumi , it makes you wonder how long terumi lived    

                  

It's revealed that Ragna lost his memories at the end of CP Extend when he wakes up in a strange space.

 

Naoto doesn't have any known connection to the azure grimoire. Nor does we know what, if any connection that Yuuki Terumi has with the Terumi clan. After all, Yuuki Terumi is an alias according to Mori.

 

The powers that Naoto has is:

Hunter's Eye, can see people's life force in numerical values.

Martial arts training that his mother taught him due to him being the heir to the Terumi clan.

Faster and stronger than normal humans due to his and Raquel's blood are mixing together.

Raquel's blood arm that is stronger than his normal ones.

Near immortality on the cost of Raquel's life.

The Bloodedge Drive.

His white hair and red eyes, doesn't know what it does, or if it is connected with the Bloodedge or something different.

His left arm and right leg are made by Relius, it's not known yet if it a positive or negative thing.

[BlackYakuzu94]

oh sorry about that I was trying make it readable.

oh I didn't know,Ragna lost his memories ?  I don't remember that in chrono phantasma .

oh I know that   Naoto  learned  martial arts from his mom  , am just saying if you compare it to Ragna's .  its nothing to what jubei  taught  him  , also  am  not sure if the novels brought it up since  bean a very long time since I read it but  dose naoto   have his own  blazblue like terumi and ragna ? I mean is family name  is terumi so there would be a connection to him and terumi , it makes you wonder how long terumi lived  and would Soul Eater even have an effect on naoto ?  I mean his arm  might negate its effects.

                  

 

The only thing Jubei taught Ragna was how to use Ars Magus, Ragna's fighting is completely his own and like Zedar said, he just hits things really hard until they stay down. That's how Ragna fights, not much you can teach someone else from that.

 

And comparing it to Sol & Sin doesn't really work because ya know...Sol's a terrible fucking teacher lol.

 

 

But, no Yuuki Terumi has no relation to Saya Terumi or the Terumi clan as of late beyond being an alias for the former.

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The only thing Jubei taught Ragna was how to use Ars Magus, Ragna's fighting is completely his own and like Zedar said, he just hits things really hard until they stay down. That's how Ragna fights, not much you can teach someone else from that.

 

And comparing it to Sol & Sin doesn't really work because ya know...Sol's a terrible fucking teacher lol.

 

 

But, no Yuuki Terumi has no relation to Saya Terumi or the Terumi clan as of late beyond being an alias for the former.

lol your right on that one  but it would be cool to see ragna try to teach some one  and fail at it    plus  I could see theme getting along  since there kinda the same 

[Chaoschao222]

You really need to proofread your posts. Or use something better than Google translate. Or something. Anything to clean that mess of letters up.

 

In any event; speculations with foundation, not random guesses and "THAT'D BE COOL, RIGHT?"s. I will begin deleting any more wild shit I see.

[red13]

You really need to proofread your posts. Or use something better than Google translate. Or something. Anything to clean that mess of letters up.

 

In any event; speculations with foundation, not random guesses and "THAT'D BE COOL, RIGHT?"s. I will begin deleting any more wild shit I see.

Google translate?

I am just writing the way I write that all , it shouldn't be that hard to read   

[Stryker115]

It's not hard to read

It's just hard to look at

 

You should go back to school and up your knowledge in English syntax and semantics

Or hell, just stay in school indefinetly

[mAc Chaos]

It IS hard to read. Maybe English is not your first language? It's getting better at least.

 

You should capitalize the first letter of each sentence, and don't include extra spaces in the middle of it. That's what makes it hard to read. Also don't make run on sentences as it makes it ramble on and stop making sense.

[Blade]

Although Ragna being so stupid as to get fused by Nu at the end of CP might as well count.

 

If you had a psychotic Yandere Robot girl chasing after you with stabbity death, and the only way to go was take a dive in a cauldron with your innards punched through like a stick through a corndog, yeah I'm sure I'd be sad enough to take the plunge too.

 

Question though: Is the Wadatsumi-Jo of Ikaruga the same location as the so-called "Wadatsumi Incident" of XBlaze?

[Chaoschao222]

Thanks to LM introducing parallel worlds, XBLAZE and BB may not even take place in the same continuity.