[CP] Ragna Gameplay Discussion

[xlolxlolx]

well from the looks of it something like 5d(1)>214a proly has enough untech time to combo into 3c and i dunno if 6a>gh/tk gh works the same or not and if you can do like d dp or hf after midscreen madao

[Tong]

There's 6A TK Scythe at least...

[Fluck]

Does anyone know if 6C -> TK Scythe works? And does 6C still need to be crouching confirmed?

Most of the Ragnas I watch haven't adjusted to his new combo theory yet. It looks to me like he still has great combos, they're just all different.

[Godlike Assault]

We're still able to use 6C in a mix-up?I actually haven't seen one.

[Fistmaster049]

Scythe fatals, can we do something with that?

Edit: Nevermind, it was the tager who got the fatal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fLALJZ9MT5g#t=315s

sorry to get your hopes up V_V

Edited November 26, 2012 by Fistmaster049

[xlolxlolx]

ground scythe does fatal though i saw fc scythe>5b>5c>6c>stuff

[SolheartStud]

Y'know, I don't think I've seen anyone use the DS dash cancel. I mean I know the game hasn't been out that long but it doesn't even seem like anyone is trying it out. Is it that unsafe or something? Maybe I'm just being impatient but Ragna between some of the nerfs I'm getting a bit worried about how Rags is gonna pan out compared to everyone else this time around.

[xlolxlolx]

ppl tried it out like day 1 but it looked pretty useless

[SolheartStud]

Really? That's a shame...I hope someone finds a use for it. Maybe it'd be more useful in combos?

[TSHKN]

i was wondering did he keep the 3c,5d gatling or no if yes i was thinking of this with that 3c,5d ,(1or2 hit)DS,DC,5d,(1)DS,DC,air combo

[Gramas]

Sakamoto si abusing deAthspike DC on block and it seems is plus.....at least vs bulletlol

Edited November 26, 2012 by Gramas

[SolheartStud]

^ Just checked that out. I'm guessing it has to be spaced properly to be plus on block.

[KayEff]

i was wondering did he keep the 3c,5d gatling or no if yes i was thinking of this with that 3c,5d ,(1or2 hit)DS,DC,5d,(1)DS,DC,air combo

3C > 5D was removed since CS2

moreover, dead spike has repeat proration so the combo wouldn't work regardless

[Tong]

Hmm, it seems the new combo theory is about using ID>Punch earlier since wallstick untechable decreses alot at later parts. However Punch proration is severe... so this makes me think if 5B DID Punch path is better than 5B 6A.

Well, the former grants at least 22C, from what I can tell, which in turn can add Crush Trigger for 1000 damage. Not bad at all considering a character whose Combo Rate is 70%

[-Seo]

2D doesn't bounce in BK anymore, but it can be dash cancelled. Also, is ground Blood Scythe an overhead?

[MashThat5A]

KF, I'd add this as a buff on the front: [+] Hell's Fang air hitstun is longer, and air hit trajectory is higher, hence why 5B now reliably combos of off it. Midscreen combo staple is now air hit Hell's Fang>5B>5C>air combo ender

Since j.D P2 is ass now, is the new air combo j.B>j.C>j.C>214C/D DP for damage?

I still want to see if 6B>5D(1)>DS>5B works for a midscreen combo route since DS has faster startup. But seeing as how no one has done it yet, I'm pretty doubtful.

Midscreen crouching combo is probably 5B>5C>6C>TK 214D>dash 5C>HF>5B>5C>air combo

Possibly 6B>6A>j.214C>5B>HF>5B>5C>ender?

[TSHKN]

3C > 5D was removed since CS2

moreover, dead spike has repeat proration so the combo wouldn't work regardless

OK TY KayEff

[Sadeyo]

Blood Scythe does seem useless and there's plenty of counters against it after watching Uido matches against Ragna. Naru seemes to have been using it recklessly but he was never punished for it (against a Carl player). It's probably only useful in combos since there's not enough results you can get off of a raw hit.

[Tong]

Hitbox looks pretty good if you space it properly :o

[Fistmaster049]

BS is shaping up to be an ok move

pro: Ragna's first safe overhead...sometimes..

con: If it hits on the ground you can't do much without meter where I would imagine you could continue with 2B or something

[mAc Chaos]

Even if you can't combo off it things like that are good to keep players from just blocking low the entire time. That's what Haku's 6B is good for.

[WolfCrimson]

But Haku's 6B is fast, unlike this slow move. Guys, I'm telling you, this move is Ragna's version of Riot stamp/stomp

[SolheartStud]

I think it's better used when spaced properly but also as a tool to catch people off guard. If it's even on block but slow then the point isn't to throw it out all the time if your opponent can see it coming. But didn't someone say the air version is faster? So maybe players just have to get used to TKing the move.

[KayEff]

i don't know why people who are using BS in neutral don't use the aerial version instead

it's safe and faster than the ground version

[Gramas]

so gh1 counter combo is gone? is tk gh gone aswell?