Out of touch with fighing games.

[easymodenoob]

Greetings, Dustloop community. I am new here and I am a somewhat newb to fighters.

I watch a lot of the streams from U.S. and Japan events, and I have been doing so for many years. Fighting games have always enticed me quite a lot, but I was never any great at them.

I pretty much know all the basics and some advanced techniques and such since I've already read a fair amount of the documentation in this site and as such, terminology won't be an issue with me. I also accompanied this knowledge to the streams mentioned before. That said, execution and eye training are two completely different worlds as I have painfully experienced first-hand.

I picked up BBCP a few weeks ago. As I have been so out of touch from fighting games in general since year 1996-2004 (Mortal Combat, Street Fighter, Marvel vs Capcom, etc),  I am quite frustrated at the fact that I don't seem to be able to chain anything together without messing up an input or the timing related to said input. It is also worth saying that I use the default DUALSHOCK3 controller since arcade sticks are next to impossible to come by in this country. The problem with the controller is that I either push it too aggressively or I don't really know how to use it at all: when I attempt to input anything direction related (214, 236, 623, etc), I end up with either an unwanted jump or an extra input of any direction. I have tried to not push the stick too aggressively so as to not trigger unwanted moves, but in that case, I end up with the complete opposite: unregistered moves (and strangely, still unwated jumps every now and then when I KNOW the stick is in the default 4 or 6 possition and not any higher.)

I can chain neutral moves without any issues since the stick is not involved with them, but that's sub-optimal in any case. I refuse to use the D-pad for fighting games as it is sub-optimal for my personal taste.

I could import a fightstick from the U.S. or Japan if I really wanted to, as expensive as it may be, but I'd rather wait for one that also supports PS4 as I will be making the migration by the end of this year.

In the meantime, will getting one fix my directional woes?

Oh, and another thing, I know I will get my combos down through practice and memorization, but is there anything you can suggest to improve cooordination? among my directionality problems, I have also dropped combos from inputting a button too early or too late. Oops!

Thanks for the time!

[D.R.F.]

Well using the actual analog stick is definitely different. Your better off just using pad, and I feel real bad that it is hard for you to come across a decent stick. That said, getting a stick or using pad will automatically help your execution since using the analog stick is looser than all hell. Everything else, idk coordination I think you will be able to get down through continued play

[heavymetalmixer]

I know what ou mean with the sitck problem, so in my case I prefer the D-Pad. And like with everything else, FGs are about a LOT of practice: I've played Melty Blood for one and a half year and I'm not good on it yet. Another important thing: play calmed, if you get stressed you'll start messing up a lot of things.

[Stellarcircle5]

I'm a pad player who uses analog stick on a default Dualshock and execution isn't a problem for me, and I play Valkenhayn for god sakes! What im getting at is that you should just find what feels right for you. You should note that, at least to my knowledge, analog users are the minority among pad players. Try out digital, and if you really feel that isn't gonna work, you could try to track down a stick (you said sticks are rare in Peru so I don't know how viable of an option it is). Regardless, if you are new, the best option would be to just mess around with the game, you'll get used to it over time!

[D.R.F.]

I'm a pad player who uses analog stick on a default Dualshock and execution isn't a problem for me, and I play Valkenhayn for god sakes! What im getting at is that you should just find what feels right for you. You should note that, at least to my knowledge, analog users are the minority among pad players. Try out digital, and if you really feel that isn't gonna work, you could try to track down a stick (you said sticks are rare in Peru so I don't know how viable of an option it is). Regardless, if you are new, the best option would be to just mess around with the game, you'll get used to it over time!

Holy shit man I didnt know you could do that lol

[excelence]

Turn on the input record function on at practice mode, and try to get the input down as precise as possible. Or try different analog pad, i got few PS2 pad that has analog sensitivity issue,... if it's not Pad issue, just grind your input precission.

[StylisH]

I'm a pad player who uses analog stick on a default Dualshock and execution isn't a problem for me, and I play Valkenhayn for god sakes! What im getting at is that you should just find what feels right for you. You should note that, at least to my knowledge, analog users are the minority among pad players. Try out digital, and if you really feel that isn't gonna work, you could try to track down a stick (you said sticks are rare in Peru so I don't know how viable of an option it is). Regardless, if you are new, the best option would be to just mess around with the game, you'll get used to it over time!

I knew I wasn't alone ^_^ I use d-pad though

[easymodenoob]

Thanks for all the comments. I guess the problem lies in me being bad after all.

Thus far, I have found Ragna, Tsubaki and Azrael to be the easiest for a noob like me to control. I still drop combos like an idiot because I'm not yet used to the DS3 stick, but as per your suggestions, I will just have to endure the frustration and improve through practice and willpower I guess.

Tell me something else, are the challenge modes too advanced for newbies like me or can I try those to get a feel for combos and execution?

[Antaiseito]

I heard that the DS4-Dpad is reeally good for fighters.

Can't judge personally, but if the Vita Dpad is anyhing to go by that thing is supergreat for all kinds of inputs. Can't personally hit the corners reliably on DS3-Dpad.

 

Just wanted to leave this here because learning DS3 stick (to me) sounds like the most horrible execution learning experience possible ;D

[StylisH]

Challenge mode combos aren't usually practical IMO. They mostly serve as an introduction to what a character is capable of. And trust me, as long as you keep it up in training mode, execution will not be a problem.

[Airk]

Some challenge mode combos are absolutely practical.  And almost all of them are worth doing just to see if you can;  They'll introduce a bunch of "concepts" and things that are important to being able to play their respective characters.  Absolutely DO get in there and mess around with them.  No time like the present.

[easymodenoob]

The only real qualm I have about using Dpad is that for moves like Ragna's 3C, I don't have a real way to input that because fomr some reason pressing both 6 and 2 in the Dpad will either give me 6 OR 2, and not combine them get 3... if that makes any sense. I have had a bit more luck getting 3C right off the bat with the stick.

It could also mean my DS3 is defective from use.

[mAc Chaos]

the ps3 dpad in general is terrible at diagonals because it doesnt have buttons for them

[heavymetalmixer]

Thanks for all the comments. I guess the problem lies in me being bad after all.

Thus far, I have found Ragna, Tsubaki and Azrael to be the easiest for a noob like me to control. I still drop combos like an idiot because I'm not yet used to the DS3 stick, but as per your suggestions, I will just have to endure the frustration and improve through practice and willpower I guess.

Tell me something else, are the challenge modes too advanced for newbies like me or can I try those to get a feel for combos and execution?

 

I also recomend Terumi for you, he's the character with the easiest combos in the game.

[StylisH]

I also recomend Terumi for you, he's the character with the easiest combos in the game.

*cough*Tager*cough*

[mAc Chaos]

you mean ragna

[easymodenoob]

I mentioned before I have no trouble chaining attacks and specials as either Ragna, Tsubaki or Azrael. I figure that once I get these 3 learned for the most part, I could move onto other things. I personally would love to play Nu-13, but I never seem to get the timings right at all on most of her attacks. Specially Sword Summoner air chains and the multi-hits with her "wings." In due time, I guess.

Another character I'd love to use would be Relius. Now, if only I could stop killing Ignis everytime she's out...

[Grimsley-San]

*cough*Tager*cough*

Science never fails

[easymodenoob]

One last thing that I can't seem to figure out on my own: performing corner combos pushes me away from the enemy by quite a large gap. In all the streams I've seen, the players don't get pushed as much as I do and I haven't seen them utilize any dash cancels either (at least not in any of the Ragna's matches, his dash is quite noticeable.) What is the magic behind this?

[heavymetalmixer]

One last thing that I can't seem to figure out on my own: performing corner combos pushes me away from the enemy by quite a large gap. In all the streams I've seen, the players don't get pushed as much as I do and I haven't seen them utilize any dash cancels either (at least not in any of the Ragna's matches, his dash is quite noticeable.) What is the magic behind this?

 

It depends on the character, combo, starter and even distance. You just cannot try to make a lot of hits in a combo, you have to experiment and see how far they leave from your oponent and if you have to modify your combo to work. Same goes for other things in a combo: Damage, Heat gain and the way you finish it. That's why there are Combo threads in Dustloop (though some times they don't tell you if there are distance restrictions).

[StylisH]

Science never fails

Not in netplay it doesn't