Tech Romancer Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwYfubrl5CU This is the latest one I have right now, but hopefully there'll be more next sunday. Or you can just search for my name on youtube Ah! I saw you trying to set up the first bubble loop you had listed in your combo thread at 0:31! I've actually been in practice mode all weekend practicing some of your oki and combo set-ups. That one in particular I have been trying to get down. The thing I don't understand is after the second hit of 6+HP lands and the opponent is launched, do you continue to hold the pike and air combo? or do you let the pike hit, stay on the ground, etc? When and where do you summon the bubble?
Nehle Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Actually, if I recall correctly, what I did there was most likely just to pin him to the ground so I could IAD with fish + air spike cover and mix it up from there. However, if the 6HS had landed (and he hadn't bursted) I would've followed that up with IAD j.H, ]S[ + 214K, such that the spik would've popped the bubble, then land and do an aircombo
Tech Romancer Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Actually, if I recall correctly, what I did there was most likely just to pin him to the ground so I could IAD with fish + air spike cover and mix it up from there. However, if the 6HS had landed (and he hadn't bursted) I would've followed that up with IAD j.H, ]S[ + 214K, such that the spik would've popped the bubble, then land and do an aircombo Opps, sorry about that - I guess I've been practicing those set-ups for so long that when the 6+HP and Pike came into play "Set-up!" immediately jumped to mind. When you notate ]S[, that means that's the pike hitting the bubble? Or does it mean you've landed and done a standing S? Glad I finally got around to asking this, as this has been somewhat confusing since Friday.
Nehle Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 ]S[ means release S, in this case to let the air spike fly
Tech Romancer Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Alrighty. Got that, going to test these set-ups on some scrubs at my college this week. Hope to order a signal distribution device along with y-splitters so I can show you all my Dizzy and hopefully receive some feedback on what I'm doing wrong, right, etc. The date hasn't been set for the casuals tourney we're having over here yet, so I should have some time.
Tech Romancer Posted September 15, 2008 Posted September 15, 2008 Just coming back to say that my set-up, okizime and bubble loop practice today at college went great. I'm very rough around the edges, but I definitely worked on improving my pressure and defense. I had a streak of about 20 today, but I'm still having a bit of timing trouble getting the first bubble loop combo of - the one involving the pike and 2+HS - I launch and IAD, then hit with j.HS, I release a bubble and the pike but by that time, they've fallen to the ground. I'm pretty sure I'm missing something here....
Stag.S Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 First set of many, since the rest still need to be encoded/are encoding as we speak Go go youtube links Causals Part 1 Causals Part 2 If links don't work give it a little while, might still be processing.. and man Youtube rapes the quality so much on this... they look better raw but that's a 2gig file =.= As it is, these file are from 45-55mbs in size, encoded in xvid, but they still don't look that bad compared to YT.
Tech Romancer Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 Wow, nice matches. I'm just a newb, but mind if I put in my two cents before Nehle or Bizzaro jump in with detailed analysis? Firstly, I think fautless defense later in the matches would have been a rudimentary way of staving of the other player's mindless rushdown. I think that standing HP would have also helped, and if blocked canceled into dp+S or dp+k would have helped control space. Throwing in a few dusts when you finally got that A.B.A. in the corner after okizime would have worked wonders. The ABA barely used her best zoning tools - standing S in Moroha mode or HP in normal, etc. I also destictly remember a real lack of her using rekkas - a 2+HP would have been garanteed for CH at times. More IAD would have been good and the setting of bubbles mid dash. Basically, you're many times better than me, but I saw you have to work on similar things I need to. Also, this is a general question, but I see you and many other dizzy's utilize 2+D a lot. I'm assuming its giving up the extra Ice spike damage for a KD (hence giving rise to oki) but I just don't like it, as I set up oki just fine after icespike or other combo KDs.
Stag.S Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 2D is pretty safe in that you can JC it into an IAD back if it fails, or use the trick to cancel into either Bubble or Fish on block. Also, I use it because my hit confirm is terrible, it guarantees me a knockdown instead of going from 2K to standard ice spike There's like 12 recordings of me against Recna and I probably won about 3-4 of those matches. Normally, it's a lot lower but my game against ABA has been improving.
Tech Romancer Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 2D is pretty safe in that you can JC it into an IAD back if it fails, or use the trick to cancel into either Bubble or Fish on block. Also, I use it because my hit confirm is terrible, it guarantees me a knockdown instead of going from 2K to standard ice spike There's like 12 recordings of me against Recna and I probably won about 3-4 of those matches. Normally, it's a lot lower but my game against ABA has been improving. Ah, I see. Still, I think the best overall option for us Dizzy players is mastering the Ice Spike FRC. This gives so many options its ridiculous. I still think the A.B.A. player had some very flawed rushdown, and was quite linear.
woki Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 Causals Part 1 Causals Part 2 I saw you summoned fish and then airdashed away from ABA. Did you try to bait FB Danzai? FB Danzai on wakeup sucks when fish (typically K fish) is out, so don't be afraid to do your oki on her. A couple things you should know about FB Danzai: 1) When ABA does FB Danzai on wake up, fish will easily eat the first hit 2) After the first hit, like when she raises her key all the way up is when her super armor disappears and she's still in CH state 3) 2nd hit will never hit you if you are standing right next to ABA Just do your Oki and when you confirm FB Danzai, just cancel into f.S (I like doing this because it feels good... and you gain tension quite a lot too) and cancel into 2HS when her super armor disappears. After 2HS CH, you know the drill. Even if you did 2HS too early and the super armor took the hit, you won't get hit by the 2nd hit of FB Danzai anyway so you're safe. You can just throw or do whatever you want afterward. PS. Do you plan to go to the Vancouver tourney in November btw? You should.
Stag.S Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 I actually never knew how FB Danzai worked, I thought it was all super armour. I'll try what you just said tomorrow, when I get more matchups against him And yes I'll be at the Vancouver tournament haha, I'm technically head of our version of the CVGA, so I have to show. I still want to improve my game though, it's still not solid enough =.= And don't tell me you switched to Eddie, woki
XAQshinor Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 random set of casuals from wednesday http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=88860F56D218B1A7
Stag.S Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I loved that Imperial Ray FRC Cross in the first vid, your Dizzy play looks really awesome
fatewalker Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 random set of casuals from wednesday http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=88860F56D218B1A7 Our Dizzy’s are complete opposites. Good shit bro! I think I can take some lessons from you. I also play I-no a lot. The only advice I have is if she uses Chemical love on a fish try to IAD CH j.HS her into a bubble loop. It works wonders.
Tech Romancer Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Our Dizzy’s are complete opposites. Good shit bro! I think I can take some lessons from you. I also play I-no a lot. The only advice I have is if she uses Chemical love on a fish try to IAD CH j.HS her into a bubble loop. It works wonders. If you guys are complete opposites, I would say I'm somewhere in the middle as far as gameplay style is concerned. Great, solid gameplay from your dizzy. One thing that stands out to me is your ability to hitconfirm your air combos easily. Getting that downpat would elevate my game.
zaeris Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 random set of casuals from wednesday http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=88860F56D218B1A7 you're vids are quite inspirings makes me want to take up dizzy again and do some serious training.
fatewalker Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 i havn't had any recent vids in almost a year..... i'll try to get some soon.
XAQshinor Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 thanks for the nice comments, ive been trying to be more patient lately but its a hard habit to get into. doesnt help that i also hate blocking x_x.
Tech Romancer Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 thanks for the nice comments, ive been trying to be more patient lately but its a hard habit to get into. doesnt help that i also hate blocking x_x. No need to block that much if you're good at reversing/escaping pressure. Best defense is a good offense as they say. BTW, how long have you been playing? I'd like to get a general idea of how long it takes for people to get good at this game.
XAQshinor Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 ive been play seriously for almost a year now i think.
Tech Romancer Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 Hmm, that's sounds reasonable. I've been playing for about a month; I guess my skill level reflects that. EDIT: Nehle, get back to me dammit, tell me which bubble loops you like to use. I must know:keke:
Kurokun Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 random set of casuals from wednesday http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=88860F56D218B1A7 Good stuff, especially with the 2H FRC usage and the aircombos. Keep it up! Also, the one match versus where you did a bubble loop for nearly all his lifebar was sick!
Stag.S Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-rdZF7b4A Nezu vs Miyako. I just wanted to ask, at 3:30, the very end of the video, is that a freeze frame unblockable? I know you can do "Unblockable" Imperial Ray with fish, but it looks like the Spear moves during the Input Freeze for Robo Ky.. not too sure if he only got him cause he was doing something in the air prior to the tension or if it's a true freeze frame unblockable. Anyone want to test it out?
zaeris Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-rdZF7b4A Nezu vs Miyako. I just wanted to ask, at 3:30, the very end of the video, is that a freeze frame unblockable? I know you can do "Unblockable" Imperial Ray with fish, but it looks like the Spear moves during the Input Freeze for Robo Ky.. not too sure if he only got him cause he was doing something in the air prior to the tension or if it's a true freeze frame unblockable. Anyone want to test it out? To answer your simple question it works with all projectiles. projectiles continue to move during input freezes. The spear is more prefer btw because it does more damage than lazer fish.
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