[CT] Carl Clover Tactical Discussion/Questions/Help

[Quomple]

Carl Clover is totally Irish. Or Mexican depending on who you ask.

[Zeero]

All these Carls qualified yet DIO isnt. Whats up with that?

[Zoogstin]

Dio probably hangs around really tough competition. No disrespect to the other Carl players. They're more than likely just as good as Dio if not better.

[Kyle]

Well we have another Carl player qualify for SBO. His name is Kyaku.

Fuck Yeah!

I'd say Dio just get's more vids released b/c of the places he hangs out. I doubt he is THE ONE AND ONLY. Hence there are other amazing players we have yet to see. =P

GAWD i need to work on positioning the damn doll; I do, Summon, 3C, IAD, J.2C< Alle~can, 2C, and that bitch is all WAY to close to me.

[Zeero]

Dio probably hangs around really tough competition. No disrespect to the other Carl players. They're more than likely just as good as Dio if not better.

except that it is DIO that gets mentioned everywhere, including japan

But my guess is that DIO is mentioned because he stuck with Carl through the "Carl is absolute low tier and a piece of shit" era lol. Him and Mecha-sue? (forgot his name). All the new Carl players i've been seeing i've never seen during early BB times, so i pay my respects for DIO.

Kyle: What do you mean Nirvana is too close to you? Thats a good thing if you want to pull the throw loop lol. If shes behind you thats another story (it means you summoned too late).

[Kyle]

Too close = 2C Hits, 8D misses. =( Gotta walk that girl backwards some.

[Zeero]

oh that is pretty close lol. You moving her that close? I think an earlier summon puts her further away than a late summon.

[Kyle]

Against Tager: If you predict a buster, Carl can dash at Tager. Mega laughs. Carl is technically aeriel during this dash, can't be thrown... = free CounterHit of choice. =D

[Zoogstin]

wait can carl attack during his dash? What if tager holds his throw first? Doesn't carl have recovery at the end of his dash?

[Zeero]

wait can carl attack during his dash? What if tager holds his throw first? Doesn't carl have recovery at the end of his dash?

Carl can only cancel into specials during his dash.

Holding A for 360A makes the throw happen later, holding B makes active frames longer.

And theres recovery after Carl's dash.

So in summary.

You're dead

Hard to pull off in a real match of course, in theory yes.

But then again, why are you even near Tager? And if you are, why isn't he in the air getting throw and clapped to death? Eat that tager! 70% life 720 doesnt save you from 100% combos!

[PhaethonH]

Too close = 2C Hits, 8D misses. =( Gotta walk that girl backwards some.

22D, 3C, 766, j.2[C]14... Sets back Carl a bit more to keep the Nirvana distance. Done right, Nirvana pops up on the ground behind Carl right before the AD for that greater distance, while still being low enough to the ground for the Allecan.

[Zeero]

I think it all depends on distance. At farther distances when 3c hits (2a 2b 3c), 766 won't do the crossup required for the loop. If you do 3c right in front of them, it'll probably work. I don't know, i always just do 96 and it always works as long as i time the summon right.

[Kyle]

Dashing against Tager works guys. Especially after a sledge set-up.

[Zeero]

We're not saying it doesnt work. Just that is it worth the risk of losing 40% health...

[Braver]

How come when I try: AirThrow, 22D, land, 2C, 236A, 2C, 8D loop The 2nd 2C will whiff a lot. Why is that? Is the combo character specific? Or does the 1st 2C have to be done late? Any tips?

[PhaethonH]

How come when I try:

AirThrow, 22D, land, 2C, 236A, 2C, 8D loop

The 2nd 2C will whiff a lot. Why is that? Is the combo character specific? Or does the 1st 2C have to be done late? Any tips?

First 2C kinda late (best to be as close to OTG as possible), second 2C rather early. Doesn't seem to work on AR for me. :shrug:

[Zoogstin]

Zeero I like your Gameplay overview with Carl. Its harsh but good regardless.

I'm almost glad he's not gonna be played that much. Well I assume.

[Zeero]

Zeero I like your Gameplay overview with Carl. Its harsh but good regardless.

I'm almost glad he's not gonna be played that much. Well I assume.

Thanks

Its harsh because I played Carl since BB came out and those were some harsh times Left scars in me so I thought I'd share my (full of bitterness) experience, as you can see in the earlier days of this thread the frustration i had lol.

Of course, frequent FG players can probably just pick up Carl, learn the clap combo, and become quite dangerous, their gameplay can be all wrong but if they've got godlike execution at pulling off the loop, they still stand a chance.

[Alternate275]

Well we have another Carl player qualify for SBO. His name is Kyaku.

[fragile]

I've hard Carl is really hard technically, I would like to know how hard are is combos? clap-trap and the summoning alle~cancel combo aswell. What are the difficult parts of these combos?

[Zeero]

How good are you at controlling your fingers? if your finger for the D button is completely dislocated from your other fingers and you can play as if thats another hand, i think you're on the right track. not to mention you need to slip in commands on the stick midcombo. Pretty much just a lot of technical executions and timings with the D button being held down or released. I think thats hard. I think the hardest part about the clap trap is timing it, since its character specific. And when i say timing being charater specific, i mean timing the jump (some float more so u jump late, some drop faster so u jump early), timing when to release the 8d (else it doesnt loop), timing the airdash (sometimes only), timing the relaunch (need to learn when to use 2c/6a/5b), timing the reset.

[Kyle]

BB cabinet is being rented and actually in Kentucky this weekend. 24-7! So, Carl training mode, here I come. =) Anything particular I should test?

[fragile]

How good are you at controlling your fingers?

if your finger for the D button is completely dislocated from your other fingers and you can play as if thats another hand, i think you're on the right track. not to mention you need to slip in commands on the stick midcombo.

Pretty much just a lot of technical executions and timings with the D button being held down or released. I think thats hard.

I think the hardest part about the clap trap is timing it, since its character specific. And when i say timing being charater specific, i mean timing the jump (some float more so u jump late, some drop faster so u jump early), timing when to release the 8d (else it doesnt loop), timing the airdash (sometimes only), timing the relaunch (need to learn when to use 2c/6a/5b), timing the reset.

Oh just as I thought, thanks!

D holding with my finger and releasing doesn't that difficult, the jumping timing and 8D timing i have no idea, I'll find out in a week

[Kyle]

Carl Clover:101 is complete and NOT locked. yes, we'd prefer it to stay clean, but If their are questions or people need further clarification please ask. =) This is the arcade impression and I'm positive we will get even more important details as the console hits out hands. Kyle & Zeero

[Zenes]

finally was able to create a account ^^. I been looking at these forums since page like 10 i check daily too. I can't wait to play Carl as well, i like underrated chars