FRC on Pad

[feri]

I've always had it macro'd. So is FRC'ing really banned sometimes and where? That would amuse me if it was. I kinda reckon (using the event announcements as a reference) that a macro for frc would most likely be banned by someone who wasn't involved in the community/played the game.

[FleetingPenguin]

Can someone explain the deal with delay and mapping to shoulder buttons? I have an FRC macro mapped to L1. If there is delay, is it random or consistent? If it's consistent, there should really be no problem, right, because the timing will always be the same?

[Darcius]

Do you have a "macro" or is it "Keybound"?

[FleetingPenguin]

On the controls screen, P+K+S is set to L1.

[excelence]

IIRC macroing the P+K+S will give a slight consistent delay (yes, the timming will always be the same) than trying to FRC using manual pressing, so the timing will be slightly different between manual and macro input

[solidshake]

wow, i never knew there was a delay on the macro. anyone know why that is exactly (hardware or software limitation)? i just started using stick for GG this week (after 8 years of using pad ) and all of my FRC timing is totally off now, so this is good to know

[Kyoku]

I've been playing on pad since X2 came out on the PS2. For the longest time I used R2 as a macro until I started going to more tournaments, most of which at the time wouldn't allow FRC macros. During #R I began using the thumb on square, X, and O. For me, I tend to have my thumb rest on square/X (kick/punch.) A lot of people encourage stick play over pad play at times, but I don't necessarily agree. The only slight issue with pad is the difficulty of shaking dizzy. This can possibly solved by turning on the analogue stick and using that when dizzied. Or you could just not get dizzied :O Eddie and May can get you easy, but its not like you really have time to shake that anyways. I think if someone is comfortable playing on pad, they should stick to it. Hell, I can use a stick, but I still prefer playing on pad.

[Shining Aquas]

Wait, do they currently allow FRC macros in tournies? I was under the impression that it was always banned

[Osuna]

Wait, do they currently allow FRC macros in tournies? I was under the impression that it was always banned

The only tournament I've attended that didn't allow it was staffed and played primarily by people who had never played the game before at the time.

So at least in my experience, it is allowed.

[qwerty]

when i played on pad i never used a macro, and my pad had three broken buttons (right on the dpad, triangle and r1!)

[bucklemyshoe]

Playing on pad can hinder your performance and eventually you'll notice it. (IE when you get a throw break and both go for an immediate 2k but you lose out simply cause you had to slide your thumb but they only had to press a button.) However it all comes to preference. There are some things that are just not possible on pad. For instance I can't FRC I-No's Throw into a P-Dive on pad because the FRC negative edges the 236 into a S-Dive instead. 5K HCL AIRDASH is 1 step away from impossible on pad. However despite being able to play I-No on stick, 5K HCL and all, I still prefer pad and can hit my FRC's about 90% of the time.

[Digital Watches]

Cool story bro.

[10stars]

Being a pad johnny player hasn't held me back at all, Buckle. I'm sure A3religion would agree with me, as he's another excellent pad JO.

[ril213]

former pad player here but went to stick, despite this though. if u can manage on pad nd hav a solid gameplay style. then its no problem.

[DonPatch]

only reason I could ever really see me switching to stick is to play in SBO or something. pad just feels so much more comfortable to me. while I agree the buttons are better on a stick, I have no issues FRCing when I want to (though I may just have weird thumbs). I even took the time one day and got where I can nail i-no's HCL FRC airdash most of the time, and didn't feel as though pad hindered my ability to do that much, if any. also, movement on stick has always felt really awkward and clumsy to me since it's a larger wrist motion as opposed to a simple slide of the thumb a few centimeters. after working with it more it felt a little easier gradually, but the pad just has a nice natural feel for movement and inputs to me. one additional note, I've noticed that when mashing staggers, sticks are insanely loud, so while I may not be able to mash out as well on a pad, your stick is literally telling me whether I should go for another hit while you're staggered or wait till you mash out and throw for a new combo. I'm sure trying this in a noisy arcade would be an entirely different story, but I love doing that to people when I go play at residences and such.

[henfrerield]

I tried once with 40 grit and it did not remove the stuff any faster than with 60. There is a good video on how to do this on Youtube. One trick: If the rubber it too soft and wants to crumble rather than shave off, try freezing the pad first.

[Izanagi SOL777]

Only Guilty Gear game I can play currently is on the PSP , so the controls are a bit buttery but I managed I guess.

[Shining Aquas]

So I've been informed that PKS Macro has a slight delay on it. I don't notice too much since I was doing it before I even knew it was there. About how long is said delay (frame wise)?

[Digital Watches]

I don't know if there's exact data on it, but from having tried it before I switched to stick, I'd say it's about 2-4 frames.

[Nakkiel]

It's nothing you can't adjust to easily, really.

[Oiboi]

So I've been informed that PKS Macro has a slight delay on it. I don't notice too much since I was doing it before I even knew it was there.

About how long is said delay (frame wise)?

Yeah shining, the macro is no good.

You all are making this out to be way harder than it really is. Or maybe my thumb is just big, whatever. I do X+Circle+Triangle and I've been playing GG for years.

Whether to play pad or stick comes down to how you want to play, and also which character. Many Zappa players prefer pad because having the dog on a trigger is easier, and most of his FRC's aren't ridiculously hard or fast timing (except for ghost and sword FRCs, which can be tricky depending on situation). So Pad FRC'ing is totally fine for him.

But I can get any FRC in GG, if I know it/practice it. A stick isn't necessary and it isn't going to necessarily make it easier to play or FRC, but for most people it is. Try out both and decide for yourself.