FRC on Pad

[Grey]

So right now, I'm FRCing (or at least trying to) by pressing square, X and circle simultaneously, but this is such a pain because I got to shift my hand a little bit (to perform FRC and to return to its normal stance) and my thumb sometimes touches triangle as well so even if I hit the FRC I just end up doing Slash which defeats the purpose of FRCing in the first place. So is there any easier way to FRC or is it just practice practice practice?

[Abominable K]

You can map "PKS" to one of the shoulder buttons. It might put you in IK Mode accidentally if you try to FRC a HS attack though.

[Digital Watches]

Also note that the PKS macro: -Will have a slight delay -Cannot FRC Johnny's KJ transport or DB transport -May be banned in some tournaments. I've heard numerous solutions to FRCing on pad, including: -Just learn to thumb three buttons consistently. Practice makes... well, not perfect, you're still trying to jam your thumb over 3 buttons, which will inevitably always be hard unless you have weirdly shaped and unusually large thumbs, but better, certainly. -Map FD (PK) instead and FRC with 1 button plus FD macro (Probably still has a delay, but solves the IK problem and the JO problem) -Map your HS or some other button to a shoulder button, so you only have to hit two buttons with your thumb. -Play with dust and maybe respect mapped to L triggers rather than R, and play on the pad stick-style (IE with one hand flipped over and hitting buttons with your fingers. My solution? Get a stick. I used to play on pad, and actually adamantly defended it, but I'll admit that I was a complete idiot for doing so. Seriously, while it takes a bit to get used to a stick, it's just better in every conceivable way (Well, except ease of transportation).

[VR-Raiden]

Easiest way for me is press X+Circle+Triangle. Your thumb is already in a somewhat vertical position so I think it's easier than trying to use Square+X+Circle. Once you get it down, it's not hard to hit three buttons with your thumb. Though I will admit, it is much harder to FRC moves with very early FRC points (like Sol's air BR) than it should be.

[RNRR]

The only attack I can't FRC with just my thumb is the HS FRC with Robo-ky Uhh.... Yeah. Thumb-FRC is actually easier to time with (girlfriend, baiken's j.D, rensengeki, s. carcass, kokonut, the list goes on!)

[DarkWarrior]

Easiest way to FRC with a pad: Slash/HS/Dust (Triangle, Circle, L1)

[Digital Watches]

Easiest way to FRC with a pad: Slash/HS/Dust (Triangle, Circle, L1)

Um. This does not work. You can't frc with dust.

[Grey]

Easiest way for me is press X+Circle+Triangle. Your thumb is already in a somewhat vertical position so I think it's easier than trying to use Square+X+Circle.

Once you get it down, it's not hard to hit three buttons with your thumb.

Though I will admit, it is much harder to FRC moves with very early FRC points (like Sol's air BR) than it should be.

Thanks for the replies. I'll likely try ^ this because I don't want to rely on button mapping because of tournaments and I'm too cheap to get a stick... yet!

[rtl42]

button mapping is never banned, but button "macros" might be. big difference.

[tolore]

circle, X, triangle is what I do.

[qwerty]

i do it with triangle + square + x. but seriously, get a stick dude. playing on pad (especially dualshocks, which have pressure sensitive face buttons) is just an unnecessary pain in the ass. i'm saving up for a multi-console stick mod, so hopefully i'll be able to ditch pad playing altogether soon.

[VR-Raiden]

but seriously, get a stick dude. playing on pad (especially dualshocks, which have pressure sensitive face buttons) is just an unnecessary pain in the ass.

Maybe it's a pain for you, but I'm just fine using pad (dualshock, specifically).

I understand stick is apparently so much better, but I wouldn't know how much cause I have yet to learn it. Maybe I will someday, when I feel like buying one.

I'll just state one advantage, in my experience, for the sake of the pad. I have consistently seen sticks end up with unresponsive buttons one time or another (in the middle of a match). Could be that I just play with and see people with bad sticks...but that's not likely. Maybe it's worth the maintenance, but I'll just say I have never had this problem using a pad.

[TheSlyMoogle]

When I played on pad I would just press my thumb over all 4 buttons very quickly and I would say 1 out of every 100 RC or FRCs would cause me to go into IK mode. I basically only switched from pad to stick because we started traveling to the arcade in TN with AC and BB all day on stick. So had to make the change to stick for the awesome that is arcade competition and shit.

[qwerty]

Maybe it's a pain for you, but I'm just fine using pad (dualshock, specifically).

I understand stick is apparently so much better, but I wouldn't know how much cause I have yet to learn it. Maybe I will someday, when I feel like buying one.

i don't doubt that some people can play just fine on pad, but the fact remains that guilty gear (and all arcade fighters, at that) are designed to be played on a stick.

i can manage to do 1 frame FRC's on pad and such, but that still doesn't make the fact that i play on pad any more justifiable. that being said though, sega saturn pads kick ass for any fighter and is the best alternative to a stick (if you seriously just can't learn it for whatever reason [though not to insinuate that that is the case]).

I'll just state one advantage, in my experience, for the sake of the pad. I have consistently seen sticks end up with unresponsive buttons one time or another (in the middle of a match). Could be that I just play with and see people with bad sticks...but that's not likely. Maybe it's worth the maintenance, but I'll just say I have never had this problem using a pad.

you should take into account that there's tons of different button types out there. not even speaking in terms of happ/sanwa/seimitsu, but even buttons made by the same manufacturer are not created equal. off the top of my head, i can tell you that sanwa osbf-30rg's will last considerably longer than standard osbf-30's, even though they are identical in terms of feel and response.

but also, people are usually far more rough on sticks than they are on pads. the amount of distance your thumb travels pressing a button on a pad is considerably less than the distance your fingers travel to press buttons on a stick, so you usually don't push your thumb down as quickly (or as hard) on pad buttons as stick players are to their buttons.

still, if pad works for you, power to you. but even as a pad player, i will easily concede that sticks >>>> pads for fighters.

[Mooshi-Q]

button mapping is never banned, but button "macros" might be. big difference.

Now I'm confused. I thought they were the same thing. Someone enlighten me.

[qwerty]

Now I'm confused. I thought they were the same thing. Someone enlighten me.

button mapping = changing the control scheme. so if you want triangle to be heavy slash and circle to be kick, you can do that.

macros = one button mapped to more than one input, ie: setting L2 to P+K+S. that effectively makes L2 an FRC button.

[Kyle]

we called this "Man it up". playing default Pad config. lol. good memories. I did this for about 6 months before I started really playing on stick. =P

[MetaKnight0]

I've always done P+K+HS with HS mapped to R1 and D mapped to R2. I've never had input related trouble with any FRC in the game. I would say mapping at least one of the face buttons to the shoulders is invaluable for pad players. Stick is a step above pad, but IMO it's not necessary unless you play a character that demands a high level of execution, like I-No.

[RNRR]

I use my forehead.

I karate-chop for EX Focus on SF4... I think we're a little special-ed.

edit: does anyone have any experience trying to play with the claw setup on pad? I know that's the only way I played Tekken and VF, but it's not working out for me on GG :S

[excelence]

no, the claw setup works because on Tekken/VF is 4 button fighting game, but on GG, u'll lose grip

[its iaijutsu]

I play pad and I used to have L1 as an frc button..recently I've just been using my thumb to hit PKHS because that's the only way to do dbt frc with jo who is my main. I've also noticed that since doing this my frc's come out a lot better and I have been hitting ones that I was having more trouble with more consistently. I remember playing stick at the arcades when I was younger but I've never really been good with sticks. I feel a lot more comfortable with a pad so I know how some people feel. It might take some getting used to but this method works very well. I even play against people that play stick and as far as I can tell it hasn't hindered my play at all. But that's another story all together...haha

[Jet Set Dizzy]

Day 1 of playing stick I was already playing better, shaking stuns way faster, and getting inputs way more reliable.

[thegame4ever]

Switched to stick, everything in my play got better. Buy yourself a stick and learn. Else how'll you play in SBO someday?

[TittyFOFO]

Shut the fuck up already. This isn't the "should I buy a stick" thread, so if you don't have anything constructive to add to the subject at hand then keep it to yourself. At any rate, I use the triangle+circle+X method that was previously mentioned. Your right thumb is already kinda aligned to the outside 3 face buttons, so that's the easiest way to do it without getting accidental IK activations IMO.

[Ikagi-chan]

I play Guilty Gear on a Sega Saturn gamepad, so I've got a somewhat wonky layout for playing the game. The Saturn pad's face button layout is X Y Z A B C and I have my Guilty Gear controls set so that it resembles the arcade layout. K S HS P -- D I have really small girl sized hands, so trying to hit three buttons with my thumb is nigh impossible for Roman Cancels, let alone Force Roman Cancels. As such, I do what Digital Watches suggested earlier in this thread and I set the right shoulder button on my Sega Saturn pad to macro P+K and I press it alone for Faultless Defense or press P or D along with it for Roman Cancels and Bursts respectively. And from what I've noticed, there's no delay. I can FRC Gunflame all day with that method of FRCing. When I play on a DualShock 2 though, I use yet another wonky control setup which is reminiscent of the default control scheme in Guilty Gear X: Advance Edition. L1 = Punch X = Kick Circle = Slash R1 = Heavy Slash R2 = Dust I simply press X+Circle+R1 to RC my attacks just like I do when playing GGXAE on the road. Ah, good times.