[CPEX] Makoto Nanaya General Discussion Thread - Ｎｏｗ ｉｎ ｆｕｌｌｗｉｄｔｈ

[milesw]

Hmmmm I've got a question for anyone who can test or answer this.

 

Does j.2C autocorrect if you cross up with it? In other words, if you do a crossup j.2C will j.C still hit afterwards? I haven't seen this done in any videos.

sorry forgot to respond. No she doesnt autocorrect. with the j.C bounce. She just punches the floor lol

[milesw]

Not time for a combo thread yet?

[MoneyD90]

Just watched the BBCP2 11/8/2014 Central Hachiouji - Yoshiki (V-13) VS Goro (Makoto) in the video section..

Makoto 214b change is super sexy now. Just saying.

[Dark Ranger88]

Woah now I'm really looking forward to getting the frame data on 214D.

 

In this video, Goro does 2A > 214D > 2B (using 214D to fake the overhead and then go into the low). This would only be reasonably possible if 214D has pretty fast recovery. Man now I really want to see how this works after other normals like 5CC since 214D is a special. Hell you might even be able to use it like Tsubaki's charge cancels and straight up reset pressure if you opponent is slow to react.

 

Another weird thing about that video is that 214D doesn't look like it even hits Amane. I thought the move was a strike now. Shouldn't it have caused Amane to show some type of blockstun?

[milesw]

That was a 2a>5a whiff>2b.

If i remember correctly the recovery hasn't changed or if anything has become a bit longer. Also I don't think you can cancel into it on block either. Sorry, I too got excited for a moment lol

[Yazumatto]

Here I thought people were being lazy and not letting me know of any new Mak videos. 30 minutes of checking videos later and I'm reminded that no one plays this character.

Anyway, since I've done this in the past: http://sp.bbcp.ac/ranking_view.php?mode=exe&type=psr_rank

It hadn't occurred to me that the arcade rankings were reset. That being said, Goro is ranked #3 overall, being one of two 17th dan players. Wrap your minds around this for a moment: the top 3 characters on arcade rankings at this exact moment are:

1) Jin

2) Litchi

3) Makoto

While dan rankings aren't the best indicator of player skill, this is still hilarious. Goro might be mortal but he's kicking enough ass with "Bottom-Mid Makoto" (that's right, she's no longer bottom 1) to put her in third.

Meanwhile, either Matsu is dead, quit, playing someone else or has changed his arcade tag to something I don't recognize. That doesn't matter though because this is the highest a squirrel has been on the rankings.

#makotodabes

#yourcharacteristrash

[MoneyD90]

She is a lot stronger this time with changes that actually matter in a good way. So I could see goro being that high. Also, seems like she has some room for growth too with d(2) cancels and 2c back to its former glory.

[Yazumatto]

Random ranking update because I'm a little bored while watching American Dad and I'm on my phone.

No one is playing BB. GGXrd a.k.a God's Gift has taken away all the anime players. #praisebe

However, sometimes all the GG cabinets are being occupied so a few reluctantly play BBCP. That being said, any time is a good time for Makoto to ascend to greatness: http://sp.bbcp.ac/ranking_view.php?mode=exe&type=psr_rank&couse=&charactor=mk&pref=0

At this moment, Goro is once again, ranked #3 overall on the arcade rankings. However, he is, at this moment, one of three players ranked at 18th dan. The top three characters on the ranking being Jin, Nu, and Makoto in that order. CT Nu next to CP Makoto on the arcade rankings. Who Nu?

Oh and I found Matsu. He's #3 in the link of top Squirrel players at 15th dan.

So while you enjoy playing God's Gift with your Sols and Kys and the greatness that is the Valentine Sisters, Ramlethal and Elphelt, don't forget about the original God's Gift: Makoto.

#neverforget

#praisebe

[Ragnarok_F4]

Actually, Makoto is doing pretty good in this iteration. I suppose the struggle for 3 continuous iterations is over :p

[Ried]

So, uhh, what exactly happened here anyway?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4gFFXDk4ws#t=2722

 

Cause how I'm interpreting it now is that Bang recovers way before Makoto from parry restand(basically the instant he touches the ground), mashes out 5B with the quickness, which gets guard-pointed by the last few frames of the catch animation, then, as soon as Makoto finally recovers, he does dash 2A to counter-hit the auto-guarded 5B, which is...a really weird exchange.

 

I kept playing it back a bunch of times at normal speed and it kept looking like he was getting the block effect during his dash 2A as if it were lingering or something, but after looking at it again in super slo-mo(way to go new YT features), it just seems like the difference in recovery from parry is heavily skewed towards them? At least at that height, no idea how vertical the catch range is, maybe if you can get them from even higher it'd be less of a difference? I dunno. The way he dashed into it while he was stuck up there on the wall seemed like he was gonna get as good an advantage as he could from it, but that ended up being the result.

[Yazumatto]

Attention: Makoto is top 2.

#startedatthetopnowwerekindofbackatthetop

[Goldchampion200]

Attention: Makoto is top 2.

#startedatthetopnowwerekindofbackatthetop

I leave for a couple of months and the whole world is turned upside down.

#itotallydidntforgetaboutDLatall

[Yazumatto]

It is currently April 2nd on the East Coast. Today is a historic day as this is the first time in a very long time that Makoto spends her birthday free of the burdens of being bottom 1. Even though Mori and the rest of the marketing department for BB continue to act like our wonderful squirrel girl doesn't exist, we will never forget her.

(...at least in our hearts because this thread is D E A D.)

Happy Birthday Makoto!

EDIT: a gif from the new CPEX intro

Time it takes Makoto to get in that ass = 0.8 seconds

[swordsman09]

Aw man. I missed my chance to say happy birthday. Oh well.

 

 HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAKOTO!  

 

Oh and notice how she almost let a nipple slip there. Of course, only a dirty mind like mine would notice that. 

[MoneyD90]

Damn. Tsubaki got hit with that one hitter quitter. Nice gif and happy belated birthday Makoto. It's been a painful road but can't wait to finally play a version of makoto that doesn't suck again.

[Dark Ranger88]

Some people think the clip from the new CPEX intro is 214A~C~A.

 

But we Makoto players know it's really 3[C] > 6A > 6B.

[milesw]

Could also be a 3C > TK DP>ender lol

[swordsman09]

Anybody see this yet?

 

[Yazumatto]

Status check: http://sp.bbcp.ac/ranking_view.php?mode=exe&type=psr_rank

Goro is #8 at 17th dan and goes by the name "Bridegroom"

Famitsu interviewed him recently: http://s.famitsu.com/news/201504/14076215.html

Hiago and Eshi translated a couple things from his interview. Interesting tidbits include the fact that he does not use training mode much as finding new combos or using setplay doesn't fit him and plays whenever he feels like it. He says that Tager and Hakumen are free because they are so slow which allows him to plan his approach. Tsubaki on the other hand gives him a hard time. His tier list is included as well: Makoto is solid mid-tier to him.

Could he destroy Blazblue if he actually put in effort? I'd like to think so.

[Dark Ranger88]

Hmm I've got a question. Does anyone know the total startup/active/recovery time of the new parry? Like could it be used against projectiles now  to give less blockstun than blocking the projectile normally would give? (Hopefully against Rachel becuase fuck her like srsly).  And I also wonder how the guardpoint frames differ from the 6 "catch" frames we have now.

 

It LOOKS to have a pretty quick recovery (which allows that restand oki), but that would be a big fat guess based on some match videos I've watched and nothing concrete at all.

[Yazumatto]

Thanks to Errol for translating the Goro interview. Pretty nice read.
 

Goro.
 
■光の戦士さんインタビュー

 

――現在のメインキャラと段位を教えてください（取材：2015年3月）

 

光の戦士さん（以下、光の戦士）　メインキャラクターはマコトで16段です。サブキャラクターは使わずにマコト一筋です！
 
Please tell us your main character and ranking.
 
Goro: My Main is Makoto (16 dan). I don't use any sub character and am devoted to Makoto!

 

――ホームゲーセンや主戦場はどちらですか？

 

光の戦士　 ゲーセンは金曜日に行けるので、金曜の“立川オスロー”には欠かさずに行くようにしています。ほかには、“八王子セントラル”で土曜日に大会があるときは 絶対に行くようにしていますし、月曜日には“HWB”（※）というガチ対戦のイベントもあるので時間があれば駆けつけてます。主戦場は西東京がメインにな りますね。
※ゲームプラザセントラル八王子で定期的に行われている録画対戦会。ルールは5試合先取方式。参加費：1組あたり700円（ひとり350円）
 
Where is your home arcade/battleground?
Goro: I can go to the arcade on Fridays, and I go to tachikawa on Fridays without fail.  Besides that, I also go to central hachiouji on Saturdays when ther are tournaments. On Mondays, I also attend HWB if I have the time. My battleground would be West Tokyo.

――ゲームセンターへ通う頻度はどれぐらいでしょうか？

 

光の戦士　いまは週1ぐらいですね……。できるときにやっているというのが現状です。
 
How often do you go to the arcade?
Goro: Currently, about once a week. I go when I can.

 

――稼動からある程度時間の経過した本作ですが、対戦内容の感触はいかがでしょうか？

 

光の戦士　 本バージョンのマコトでは、相手キャラに触れられないということがなくなったのでそれだけで楽しいですね（笑）自分も攻撃のターンがもらえるという部分だ けでも本当に楽しめています。攻撃ターンをもらったうえで負けちゃったなら、それは「自分の殴り合いが弱かったんだな」と思えますし。得意なキャラとして は、テイガーとハクメンは勝率がかなりよくて自信があります。じっくりキャラの立ち位置を見れたり、自分のやりたいことをゆっくり考える時間があったりと か、スローペースな試合が得意です。テイガーやハクメンはその部分を早い展開にしようと思ってもできないキャラなので、落ち着いてプレイできます。
 
It has been some time since this version came out in the arcade.  How does the game feel to you?
 
Goro: With this version's Makoto, it's no longer the case that you can't be touched by your opponent, so that alone makes it fun (laughs). The fact that I too will get a turn on offense makes it really fun. If I get a turn on offense and still lose in spite of that, I can think 'I didn't play well'. Against Tager and Hakumen, who I am particularly good against, my win rate is very storng and I am confident. I can take my time to look at my opponents position, and have plenty of time to think about what I want to do. I favor these kinds of slow space matches. Even if Tager and Hakumen want to speed up the match, they can't, so I can play calmly.

 

――逆に苦手なキャラクターはいますか？

 

光の戦士　ツバキ戦の勝率がかなり悪いですね。まず、ツバキは動きが素早いのでスローペースな試合にはなりにくいです。あと、技の空振りを見てるんですが、ツバキは通常攻撃に追加攻撃があるので、よくその追加部分に突っ込んでカウンターをもらってしまいます（笑）。
 
On the other hand, are there any characters you are weak against?
 
Goro: My win rate is particularly bad against Tsubaki.  Tsubaki is quick, so it's hard to have a slow-paced match. Also, I often get counter hit by her followups that are available on whiff (laugh).

 

――トレーニングモードなど、個人練習はどのようなことをしていますか？

 

光の戦士　プレイの期間を開けないという意味でひとり用をテキトーにやっているぐらいですね。新しいコンボを見つけるとか、セットプレイを考えるとかは自分には向いていないので、そういったトレーニングモードの活用は控えています。
 
What kind of things do you do to practice? ( training mode etc)
 
Goro: Excluding when I am actually playing, little. Finding new combos or thinking about setplay is something I am not suited to, so that use of training mode is something I avoid.

――本作で注目しているプレイヤーはいますか？

 

光の戦士　しーの君（ノエル）、まぶかぷさん（レリウス）、naoさん（ヴァルケン）は本作をがんばっているので応援しています。対戦を欠かさずやるという意味では、まぶかぷさんがとくにがんばっていると思うので、活躍して欲しいですね。
 
Are there any players you are noticing in this version?
Goro: shiino (noel), mabukabu (relius), nao (valk) are working hard in this version so I am rooting for them. In terms of matches, I think mabukabu is particularly working hard so I would like for him to perform well.

 

――ズバリ、『BBCP』がうまくなるコツは何でしょう？

 

光の戦士　 いちばん大切なのは、対戦で勝てなくても我慢してお金を入れることです（笑）。対戦相手は、自分と同じレベルの人、少し上のレベルの人、かなり上のレベル の人、の3種類を設定するといい目安になります。「今日はこのレベルの人にお金を入れる」といった課題を持って対戦すれば、メリハリが付いていいのかなと 思います。
 
What's the trick to becoming good at BBCP?
 
Goro: The most important thing is that even if you cannot win, you tolerate it and put more money in the machine (laughs). Taking opponents of the same level, slightly above level, and significantly above level and saying 'Today I'll spend money on people of this level', as your way of practicing, should provide a nice variety and work well.

 

――2015年4月には家庭用の発売が予定されていますが、オンライン対戦へは参戦しますか？

 

光の戦士　すみません、オンライン対戦には参戦予定はありません。アーケードが一番ですし、今は家で格闘ゲームをやるっていうのが不思議でしょうがない感じなのでゲーセンでプレイしますね。
 
In april, the console version will be released. Will you play online?
 
Goro: Sorry, I have no plans in playing online. The arcade is the best, and right now playing fighting games at home feels very strange so I will continue playing in the arcade.

 

――今後、もし全国規模の大型大会があれば参戦しますか？

 

光の戦士　形式によります。3on3がいちばんうれしいのですが、それ以外の形式だったら参戦は見合わせる可能性が高いですね。3on3なら組んでみたいメンバーが居るので、そのチームで参戦してみたいです。
 
Here on out, if there is a large scale national tournament, will you participate?
 
Goro: It depends on the form.  I would be the most happy about 3 on 3, and with any other format there's a high chance I'd think twice. with 3 on 3, there's particular people I'd like to play with, so I'd like to participate with that team.

 

――読者に自由にひと言コメントお願いします！

 

光の戦士　『BBCP』 はゲームなので、楽しくやれればいいなと思います。自分でその“楽しさ”をどこに設定するのかは難しいところなんですが、僕の場合はやっぱり勝ち負けがあ る以上は勝ちたいんですよね。最近は対戦内容に納得できなければ勝ってもうれしくないということが増えていて、そういう「どういうふうに勝つ」とか「勝つ べくして勝ったのか」というのを模索するのもよいと思います。とにかく、自分なりの楽しむ方法を見つけてプレイしてほしいですね！
 
A comment for the readers, please!
 
Goro: BB is a game, and I think it's best to have fun while playing it. For me, that 'fun' is hard to identify, but, given that there is winning and lose, I want to win. Recently, I'm more often having matches that I win, but I'm not satisfied with the contents of the matches and am thus not happy. That kind of 'how do I want to win, or did I win how I should have?' experience is good too. At any rate, please find your way to have fun playing!

 

■光の戦士さんの考えるキャラクターランクはこれだ！

S　ジン　ニュー
A　ヴァルケンハイン　ハザマ　ココノエ　レリウス　ライチ　テイガー　タオカカ　
B　アズラエル　ラグナ　ツバキ　マコト　バング　イザヨイ　カルル　ノエル　カグラ　
C　レイチェル　プラチナ　バレット　セリカ　ミュー　ラムダ　
D　アマネ　テルミ　ハクメン　アラクネ
AランクとDランクには差があるが、A～Cランクまではそこまで差はないとのこと。世間的に評判の高いラグナはBランクと評価されているが、これについては以下のように語っている。
「ラグナはどこまでいってもラグナです。“空中ダッシュめくりDインフェルノディバイダー”は強力な崩し手段ですが、それ以外のガード崩し行動は、大きい 大会で勝ち上がってくるような相手には通用しないものです。そう考えると、差し合いをしなければいけないので、いろいろなキャラがキツくなってくるんじゃ ないかと思います。」
 
While there is a difference between A rank and D rank, from A to C rank the difference is not that large. As for the generally considered to be high tier Rags, I have the following reasons.
No matter how far you go with Ragna, Ragna is still Ragna. IAD DID is a strong mixup, but his other means of breaking defense do not work against the people who win in large tournaments. With that in mind, you need to get hits from neutral, which should make a number of characters become difficult, I believe.

[tdsholo]

Hello! Could someone tell me if the combo section is updated with BBCP 2.0 info? or if it will be updated soon, thanks!

[Sadeyo]

The game is out and I thought this side of the boards would be active, guess it needs a little bit of time to warm-up. I played a pocket Makoto back in the earlier installments of CP1.1 and now she's feeling better then ever. I can't make up my mind whether to sub her officially or make her a main, this will require some more lab work.

 

loving how counter is now a reverse fireball instead of a 46 motion, really irritating when you time it right but your character walk backwards instead, that issue forever eliminated.

[OmniSScythe]

Did anyone crack the 10k damage in challenge mode? I'm too distracted making cute combos to work on it.

 

Hello! Could someone tell me if the combo section is updated with BBCP 2.0 info? or if it will be updated soon, thanks!

 

I'll be making one soon enough.

[Sadeyo]

Does this character have a Skype group? There's some theory fighting I want to you guys to make clear for me, it will immensely help instead of doing the character limit through Twitter. She was more of a pocket character in CP1.1 but now she's between the border of main or sub since BBCPEX release because the amount of potential she now holds.