Bad Match ups? Your thoughts.

[Mjskillz]

I was just wonderin' what everyone on the fourms opinon is on this subject matter? Let's say do some people just have problems playing against certain characters in this game? Veiws, thoughts on this topic.. * For me it was ALWAYS Potemkin. I don't know why, but they made him a monster in GGXXAC. And I would be using Sol.. Yes I know Po's high low game was evil. Than you would be juggled into hell afterwards. Also, GGXXAC+ changed that so I'm not that wary of him anymore.

[Teyah]

My view is that it depends on which character you're playing, which character they're playing, your skill level, your opponent's relative skill level, as well as the experience of both players in that particular matchup. There are matchup subforums in most character forums, which is where people discuss these things as that's definitely the best place to do so. GGXXAC+ should be exactly the same game as GGXXAC in terms of gameplay / character move properties, so you shouldn't be experiencing any differences there.

[excelence]

pick counter character match up *evil grin ... nah, i'll still do the match till the opponent i'd go against think DivCh is 7:3 on Di adv lol

[AleXander]

Beating a bad matchup would much prove that you are a superior player. However if youre in a tourny and your main goal is winning, with no care as to proving anything, then heo yea counter pick.

[RNRR]

As long as you're not Pot fighting Bridget in #Reload... you can just learn some strats and hope for the best.

[Iron_Maiden_Z]

I dont have problem with Pot players, in fact i enjoy playing against them. Even though in AC he's a monster. Probably the worst match up i can have is against a very good Sol player. I Hate those sidewinder loops.

[xJakartax]

I wouldn't pick a counter character. From what I've experienced, if you have the skill you can win. It may take a lot more effort and practice, but it is possible. Look at any Johnny player. He's usually considered the worst character in the game, yet it is still possible. And when you do win, it looks damn good.

[MacArthur Blunts]

What is a bad matchup?

[qwerty]

What is a bad matchup?

5-5

because then you can't make any excuses.

[xJakartax]

What is a bad matchup?

Good one Mac, the person who plays Slayer. Lol.

[Mjskillz]

And, I haven't ran into any players of GG I know that there here in CT but its kinda hard getting in touch with 'em that and I believe I am not at there skill level. Its kinda like you bring a button mashing player verus someone with experinced or is a VET player. Guess who get's called the scrub.

And my meaning of bad match ups. Like you ever have a slight Problem with that character doesn't matter if its the AI or a person playing it. Just you come to have some diffculites using that character against him / her.

For example. Take Tekken 5. Use Roger jr. Vs. Bryan fury.

Just Potemkin always gave me problems.

[Hatred Edge]

By that definition.... Slayer, Eddie, Potemkin vs Order-Sol? Ha. I want to break fingers when I face those guys. Thing is it's not that they outzone O.Sol, it's just how strong they are. It's like whatever you do they can beat it and better 100 times over. When I look at these guys the last thing that comes to mind is "balanced". I've said a couple of times but playing Sol/O.Sol vs Eddie/Potemkin/Slayer feels like facing an SNK boss. Potemkin is something else. I have no idea what to do against that guy at all. There is no gameplan. Fight up close and hi's strong pokes win and Pot Buster beats all but ONE normal and you can't fight mid/long range because he wins at that. Plus he has strong AAs. He's slow sure and Sol and O.Sol are faster than him but it feels like he outclasses them in every way. Same with Slayer. I have no gameplan vs that guy either. I just back the hell away and hope for the best. Simply put being outclassed in every way is the worse. That is the ultimate bad matchup. I don't play GG anymore but if I did again and I faced those guys, I'll simply put my mind on blank and zone out. I won't even fight to win. I'll do what they say about GG: It's balanced enough for every to compete and that's what I'll do. Compete. But hell if I enter that fight thinking I'll win. It's kinda my own fault as well. I didn't face a diverse group of players so that did bite me in the ass.

[TITANIUM BEAST!!!]

shrug the matchups are not really that bad in general, mostly it's just that the top characters will make you feel really helpless sometimes. Hatred Edge: Massive exaggerations all around. The only matchup out of those that really frustrates me is vs. Eddie, and that's because I don't have a good Eddie player in my area, so I dunno the matchup. Pot is NOT that bad. Slayer is not in your favor, but it's no worse than 6-4 in his favor if you ask me. By definition, everyone being able to "compete" means that everyone has a reasonable chance at winning.

[reaVer]

Eddie is not that hard once you make him stop mashing(yes, it's actually a plausible tactic for him to just mash your strings and the moment you guard he goes into mawaru loop). This is also one of the reasons why KZO was spamming SVs like mad against Ogawa back then in the first round.

[Hatred Edge]

Hatred Edge: Massive exaggerations all around. The only matchup out of those that really frustrates me is vs. Eddie, and that's because I don't have a good Eddie player in my area, so I dunno the matchup. Pot is NOT that bad. Slayer is not in your favor, but it's no worse than 6-4 in his favor if you ask me.

It's not that I'm exaggerating. It's that that's how it feels to me. A major weakness of mine has always been grapplers. Gief, Clark, Daimon, Potemkin. Everyone knows Potemkin is a pure monster in AC. A mid or low mid or a low tier grappler gives me major problems so a high one like SFIV Gief or AC Pot would be a serious issue.

It's a personal thing. No matter the game if I face a grappler, that's my bad matchup.

However I'm not lying when I say Pot has strong normals. Close and mid. He has strong AAs.

Slayer is a beast in AC. Nuff said. You fought a good Slayer before.

I'll admit Slayer isn't as bad as Eddie. But those 3? It's like walking on 1 cm thick ice. To you it may not seem that bad. But I know you are aware some people are just about to rip their flesh over some matchups. Some people believe Eddie is nothing but broken in every form. People out there think O.Sol is bullshit and that he needs to be nerfed. I have on one end an Eddie player and on the other a Pot player complaining about how much damage O.Sol does and asking me why I'm complaining.

You think the matchups aren't that bad in general. I'm not pointing out Test/Venom/Jo/Buri/ABA/Axl. I pointed out Eddie/Pot/Slayer. To me these are my worst fights. Especially Eddie and Potemkin. Just like I hate fighting Potemkin, I'm 100% sure there's a Potemkin player that curses every match that he has to face O.Sol.

[excelence]

It's not that I'm exaggerating. It's that that's how it feels to me. A major weakness of mine has always been grapplers. Gief, Clark, Daimon, Potemkin. Everyone knows Potemkin is a pure monster in AC. A mid or low mid or a low tier grappler gives me major problems so a high one like SFIV Gief or AC Pot would be a serious issue.

It's a personal thing. No matter the game if I face a grappler, that's my bad matchup.

However I'm not lying when I say Pot has strong normals. Close and mid. He has strong AAs.

Slayer is a beast in AC. Nuff said. You fought a good Slayer before.

I'll admit Slayer isn't as bad as Eddie. But those 3? It's like walking on 1 cm thick ice. To you it may not seem that bad. But I know you are aware some people are just about to rip their flesh over some matchups. Some people believe Eddie is nothing but broken in every form. People out there think O.Sol is bullshit and that he needs to be nerfed. I have on one end an Eddie player and on the other a Pot player complaining about how much damage O.Sol does and asking me why I'm complaining.

You think the matchups aren't that bad in general. I'm not pointing out Test/Venom/Jo/Buri/ABA/Axl. I pointed out Eddie/Pot/Slayer. To me these are my worst fights. Especially Eddie and Potemkin. Just like I hate fighting Potemkin, I'm 100% sure there's a Potemkin player that curses every match that he has to face O.Sol.

1st probably you're thinking to far a head what real capability your opponent can do against you lol .

caught one in my area ... thought it feels like it's 6:4 on OS adv, i hate the flow of the matchup , if u want to win... u're forced to play a different style that OS was originally designed for ... turtling... wtf!!!? :8/:

[Oiboi]

The question of balance, and to a larger extent, matchups, is a tricky one. "Balance" Is subjective: People who play characters who have certain tricks, techniques, moves, etc. will feel that the game is balanced because they have those tricks and from their view, it's not so bad (I know many eddie and slayer players exhibit this behavior). However, at the same time, people who play characters who lack these tricks feel like they've been shortchanged, cheated, etc. and feel that resulting defeats are unfair, regardless of how un-scrubby you may think of yourself. Let's face it, everyone will get mad at losing to some extent. It's admirable for players to take it in stride and try to learn, but when there seems to be absolutely no hope no matter what you attempt, not only does it make the player feel helpless it also places in fears of imbalance and questionable views on how the game works. As Hatred said, Slayer's and Eddie's will complain about HOS's damage, but he complains about the characters superior pokes, damage, and general strength in the matchup. Is he just complaining because he's a sore loser? The answer is no. To him, this is how he feels; It's not a question of whether they are indeed broke, it's a question of "How can I possibly defeat that?" When it comes down to it, fighting a character who displays a superiority in some way to your character, be it better mixup, stronger okizeme, huge damage, insane combos... The result is the same, everyone thinks: How can I Win? I think when it comes to the point where many players attempt to play the perceived stronger characters, is when the question of balance should be considered. However, determining imbalance can't be a simple estimation based on how you feel; it has to be scientifically analyzed, if you will. You'll need to compare how that character fares against every character in the game, examine which situations they excel in, which ones they do poorly in, what moves allow them to do certain things such as stuffing attacks or making huge combos, etc. To do this, you'll have to examine every character this way, from top to bottom, clarifying and discussing with other players who play those characters very well what the characters can do on a realistic and unbiased way. This is difficult because many people can't help but be biased; But we can still try to determine imbalance, and if we're going to try, this would be the way. In the end, the developers don't always know what's right. Arcsys made some questionable decisions with AC, but they also made some good ones, though this also can come down to opinion. The real problem that surfaces is that many fighting games continue to grow over the years, and Guilty Gear is still young, especially AC. Players will determine new tricks, new tactics, new methods to win, and ways to defeat those who are so-called superior. This makes the game what it is, so determining imbalance is very difficult; in fact, the decision of imbalance and tiers can never really be final, as it can change as players learn new things. tl;dr Imbalance is questionable, but it may be worth the time to examine why characters are good in certain situations anyways.

[Mjskillz]

I've said a couple of times but playing Sol/O.Sol vs Eddie/Potemkin/Slayer feels like facing an SNK boss.

I lol'd. Slayer and Eddie don't give me such of a problem. Potemkin just mind rapes me and leaves me on the street corner curlled up in a ball shuddering.

You grand viper'd into something Eddie summoned didn't you?

[Blade]

When in doubt: Dragon Install. :3

[woki]

In this year's 23 on 23 @ G3, Ky<Zappa<Dizzy<Ky<Zappa<Dizzy<Ky<Zappa<Dizzy<Ky<Zappa<Dizzy<Ky......

[Hi-C]

I personally hate Potemkin. Just absolutely hate him. Me and some friends have fun killing each other, but sometimes I swear that his grapples are just too damn annoying to deal with. Eddie, his combos are annoying, but get in his face and then what can he do? Slayer is pretty all-around with combos and dmg. Meaning, he pretty much rapes when hitting you. Either that or its a Ky scrub who simply spams fireballs. Easy to beat, but annoying as hell. Sol sidewinder loops suck too.

[Senkei]

The only thing I really hate is not knowing the match-up(thats on me), besides that all of the characters are fun to play. Some are more boring than others but all around you should just man/woman-up and play the match-up right.

[xJakartax]

The only thing I really hate is not knowing the match-up(thats on me), besides that all of the characters are fun to play.

Some are more boring than others but all around you should just man/woman-up and play the match-up right.

Agreed.

If you put the time and effort into learning the match-ups, you will be at a much greater advantage than someone who doesn't. Even at a disadvantage character wise, knowing the match-up and being an overall better player will put you ahead in the end. It will just be much harder. However, I love hard match-ups. Faust vs. Baiken pains me as a Faust player, but it has forced me into situations that I normally wouldn't be in. It has forced me to adapt, try new tactics, learn new combos, and really improve my overall game play.

[Mjskillz]

Last night I saw that when I was playing as Dizzy vs. Eddie. He just ate me. I quickly have to adapt when playing a different character. So, in these posts I've noticed a lot of people HATE mr. Pot man. And in other thoughts, any other video games -- matches anyone else HATED having that character that made you litterally insane? Me it was the OLD school, SNES days of playing ST2! Not before it was super or turbo. And I stay away from the Capcom vs. Marvel, SNK series even thought I own both games for the PS1 and PS2.

[JinSaotome]

hate. hatehatehatehatehate HATE Testament. not only is he really good, its just closing in on him is so fucking frustFJKLFJWEAKGFJKEW May sucks too. Counterhits everywhere. :'( My favorite matchups are probably Eddie (lolwut), Slayer, and Venom.