kro_ Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 I was thinking about why Aoniku did j.2c air combos instead of frog combos on Nu again and I think I came up with something. When you summon the pumpkin while the frog is hitting the opponent and end the combo with j.2c 214a oki, the pumpkin is not in a position where you can force her to block it if she rolls away. It's too high to wind horizontally and too far to wind diagonally. By ending the combo with a high j.2c, he can summon the pumpkin at a position where he can wind it diagonally and hit Nu whether she rolls right or left. Not comboing the frog means it is still actively hopping towards Nu, so you still maintain the frog oki to cover quick rises and neutral techs.
Zinac Posted October 5, 2009 Posted October 5, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzKKx0uqZzk&feature=PlayList&p=A156670EEBB3186A&index=13 We can special cancel j.2C it seems.
wuku Posted October 6, 2009 Posted October 6, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzKKx0uqZzk&feature=PlayList&p=A156670EEBB3186A&index=13 We can special cancel j.2C it seems. That would be sweet but i didn't see any scene Rachel did (air) special cancel j.2C on that vid.
prod1gy Posted October 11, 2009 Posted October 11, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N30fIExXs6c Question, at about 0:32 he does 6a, 5b ,sj ,jb, j2c, jc, sj, jb, jc, j2c and so forth. I was wondering if that was char specific or just a big timing thing. Because ive pulled it off twice in training mode on ara and once on rachel but cant on the rest of the cast. Im pretty sure my timing is horrible since ive only done it a couple times but im just curious.
MisterBadguy Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Ok guys, I'm tryin to get better and I'd like some critique. (Note that I whiffed some Badens due to lag, but my playstyle is pretty much intact.) Me beasting Me getting beasted Negative comments are welcome, infact appreciated. What should I improve on?
ArkiveZero Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 i'd suggest changing your CH 6A combo to 6A 5B sj.b j.a j.b j.c dj j.2C 214B imo you should work on conserving wind and not getting hit randomly by noel lol
kro_ Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Summon pumpkin and frog more when they give you space and take the opportunity to turtle and regen wind. I saw you purposely close distance a lot without pumpkin or frog support and no wind meter. Be a little more conservative with wind at the start of a match so you don't have to go long stretches of time without it. Also gotta get that 632146c to come out more consistently. I do like your liberal abuse of 6a and the crossup j.2c combos though.
zaeris Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Ok guys, I'm tryin to get better and I'd like some critique. (Note that I whiffed some Badens due to lag, but my playstyle is pretty much intact.) Me beasting Me getting beasted Negative comments are welcome, infact appreciated. What should I improve on? It really irks me you're doing 2b 5cc..... it doesn't combo even with wind.. u want 2b 5b 5cc.. watching more ... editing later. When doing 3c ender finish with pumpkin or frog summon in most cases its always best to have a pumpkin out. Its probably me but it irks me to see you fight without assist e.g. pumpkin or frogs. Winding loberia has its advantage but usually unnecessry unless they;re full screen away with frog to trap them into the frog pressure.
MisterBadguy Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 i'd suggest changing your CH 6A combo to 6A 5B sj.b j.a j.b j.c dj j.2C 214B Sadly, that's one of the basics I skipped, and I've been paying for it as of late. It really irks me you're doing 2b 5cc..... it doesn't combo even with wind.. u want 2b 5b 5cc.. Yeah... I don't usually... do that. lol:psyduck: That Noel match was just one big trainwreck of mistakes. He was just outplaying me, and I got really flustered, hence dumb stuff like j.a as air to air even though he was above me and using 2b>5cdc like it's legit or something. Thanks for the advice though guys. I'mma try to work on covering myself better (and not letting Noel get random CHs on me).
Tari Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Thanks for the advice though guys. I'mma try to work on covering myself better (and not letting Noel get random CHs on me). It's also worth pointing out that you got 2c counterhits a few times, but never followed them up with the air combo. Not sure if you were conserving wind or something, but it was definitely a missed opportunity. That said, timing the wind on the 2c counterhit online can be sorta... iffy. At least you didn't skip the mixups~. I have issues doing the crossup j.2c.
MisterBadguy Posted October 22, 2009 Posted October 22, 2009 Nope, not conserving wind. That's just another skipped basic I'm working on right now. lol. I've actually joked about that j.2c cross-up being my "signature move" as I'm the only Rachel of our group that I see do it regularly. But it can be a pain to get down consistantly. Especially online (I end up just jumping and 1d j.2c sometimes )
Lastblade Posted October 23, 2009 Posted October 23, 2009 I thought i was the only one doing j.2c cross-up shinenigans anyhow ya, as others have pointed out, conserve the wind more. Try to always have a pumpkin/frog out, expecially if they're giving you the space to do it. If they're giving you that space, they should be rewarded with the rachel pumpkin/frog shinenigans. Anyhow, ya, wind... No wind+fighting kensou/kid viper at the arcade= squish
EvilWolf Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLxdqaO-TBE&feature=related Not really any good strats but very hilarious finish by the Rachel.
BadenCalendula Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLxdqaO-TBE&feature=related Not really any good strats but very hilarious finish by the Rachel. Umbrella chair...
DarkChildOfLight Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 Hi guys I want to sub Rachel or possibly even main her. I am a novice at blazblue. My arakune is like level 17. Here is a vid of me playing against another low level fighter. Please help me in anyway you can. Misterbadguy has an awesome Rachel and I want to be able to use her too! ty Blazblue Pat_-666-_ (Bang) Vs Mr_Flowers_- (Rachel) Nov 06 2009
Tari Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 Hi guys I want to sub Rachel or possibly even main her. I am a novice at blazblue. My arakune is like level 17. Here is a vid of me playing against another low level fighter. Please help me in anyway you can. Misterbadguy has an awesome Rachel and I want to be able to use her too! ty Blazblue Pat_-666-_ (Bang) Vs Mr_Flowers_- (Rachel) Nov 06 2009 Hm... you should totally play with some of the guys here and see if they can help point stuff out in game. It's hard to comment accurately on a replay like this. Anyhow, I'm fairly new myself, so take what I say with a grain of salt. That aside, the first thing you'll want to learn is Rachel's 5cdc. It knocks your opponent to the floor, and the majority of Rachel's frog combos start from there. After that, you'll want to learn how to toss a frog out after the 5cdc hit and knock the other player into it. There isn't too much variation on how that's done, but it doesn't work on every character, so there's a little bit of memorization needed. kro's guide is a good place to start, and has lots of juicy info about how to play Rachel well.Soniti's combo guide is a little less friendly in presentation, but has more things listed, including extra combos, flashy finishers, and expected damage values from each combo. There're air combos you'll want to learn at some point, as well (mostly starting from 6a 5b or 5cdc dash 2b 5b). Once you've got those, you'll find that the other stuff (block strings, counter-hits, etc.) all lead into them. I mean, eventually, you'll probably want to figure out how to continue Rachel's frog combos and force the other player into the frog again and again, but that's not really a basic mechanic for playing Rachel. ----- As for the replay... It's nice that you pull George out fairly often (more than I did when I started, definitely), as well as use the bat seeds to keep your opponent away from you. You'll want to work on bringing the pumpkin into play, though, or utilizing the wind for aiming those seeds. Without some sort of backup plan, the other player can often just run or slide (Noel) under one of your seeds while you're firing and land a counterhit on you. Having the pumpkin out will allow you to wind it into your opponent during their approach. If the pumpkin is winded along the ground, then the other player will have to jump, block, go into an invulnerable move, or take the hit. Basically all of those options are beneficial to you, since it stops or slows down their approach. Also, try not to 2c too much. It's really tempting to do it all over the place, because it autoguards, but it's not very safe. I spam it when I freak out, and almost every time I start doing that, I get destroyed. I'm not sure if you have a solid handle on using her wind, yet. It takes time to figure out how to use it without flying all over the screen, but it's worth it. xD Good tip: don't do what I do and spam 5a all the time. It tends to give the other player free counterhits. ----- The guides here are awesome, so definitely give them a look through when you get a chance. Most of the non-combo stuff you'll pick up from watching other Rachel players or from playing a bunch of matches and seeing what works and what doesn't work. There's not actually all that much to learn, as far as the basics are concerned. Two combos (the 5cdc knockdown and the 6a 5b JC j.b j.c JC j.b j.c j.236a air combo), a decent ability to guard (which I don't have, pfft), and a willingness to experiment will get you nice 'n' far~. /...whoa, long post. What the..... //apologies if I made any mistakes, I'm pretty tired right now ///hopefully, if I did, the other players will pick them out and correct me. xD
DarkChildOfLight Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks man! I learned all those combos you mentioned but I can't get a chance to use them Especially the combos that stem off of 6a. Everyone keeps dash rushing into me with either a low hit/grab/strong attach and I don't know how to stop them. Also, how comes I still get hit when I'm blocking? Even when I'm blocking with the barrier? And how do I escape the corner? I get raped to death in the corners. Attack or defend I still lose. Rachel seems way harder than arakune who can just teleport away.
killionaire Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks man! I learned all those combos you mentioned but I can't get a chance to use them Especially the combos that stem off of 6a. Everyone keeps dash rushing into me with either a low hit/grab/strong attach and I don't know how to stop them. Also, how comes I still get hit when I'm blocking? Even when I'm blocking with the barrier? And how do I escape the corner? I get raped to death in the corners. Attack or defend I still lose. Rachel seems way harder than arakune who can just teleport away. It looks to me that you got the zoning down pretty well. Your lightning seed aim is pretty good. And you seem to use the frog more than I do. Not necessarily a bad thing. Just remember not to drop the frog from the air if you think your opponent can run in and punish you in the time it takes for you to land. Oh, and I also recommend using the pumpkin more. That is incredibly useful for reversing momentum. The problem I often have is finding an opportunity to pull it out. Any player who knows the matchup will not allow Rachel to pull out all of her tools. So yeah. Practice the rushdown. Seems to be all you need in order to get the basics. Another problem with me is that I can't seem to pull off combos at the moment without getting a black beat one. For now, I can do froggy ones and J2C3D mixups. My pad is making it difficult to perform the second part of basic air combos. Also, being fairly new, it is recommended to take my advice with a grain of salt. EDIT: Speaking of videos, I need to get a couple in at some point. Don't know how to record vs matches on the same console, or even if it's possible to do so. So yeah. Question to all of you: Is it possible to record versus matches of people playing on the same console? It might help to get input on both my playing and that of my brother.
Kuuhaku Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 If you have Dazzle, yeah, you can record it. Other than that, I dunno. Hmm... maybe I should post a link to one of my videos so you can see how badly I play. XD;
Tari Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks man! I learned all those combos you mentioned but I can't get a chance to use them Especially the combos that stem off of 6a. 6a combos take a bit of time to get working. I still ocassionally mistime the first jump cancel when I'm tired. And it takes time to figure out how to actually insert combos into your game. Playing against the computer (at hell difficulty) and messing with combos in training mode helps, but doesn't really simulate how it feels to actually play a human. Everyone keeps dash rushing into me with either a low hit/grab/strong attach and I don't know how to stop them. As for stopping rushdowns, learn to make use of Rachels' 6b. It's an amazingly annoying attack for the other player to deal with. If you land it, you'll either slow down their pressure game or get the counterhit, which puts them into a pretty long hitstun (from where you can initiate whatever you want, basically). The pumpkin is really useful for stopping rushdown as well. When you use your lightning, you can use the time they spend blocking/getting hit/waiting to pull out a pumpkin or a frog before you start firing off more bat seeds. A frog will usually make the other player think twice about rushing in, as a few succesful blocks on your part will get them hit by the frog. The pumpkin is a more active defense measure, as you can wind it into them if they try rushing you. You might want to look into 236a9d, as it fires a seed at a really nice angle for stopping ground rushdowns. Doesn't work at mid-screen if the other player is crouching, but then, crouching isn't really much of an attack that you have to worry about (unless the other character has a low slide move, ala Noel or Bang's 3c attacks). You can usually adjust for that by just not using 9d, anyway, as at that range, the normal 236a/b can hit them out of an attack, as long as they're not already sliding. In any case, frog + pumpkin + seeds = nice defense. Mix them up a bit. It'll force the other player to keep trying to find another way to attack. Also, how comes I still get hit when I'm blocking? Even when I'm blocking with the barrier? Make sure you're blocking low/high attacks correctly. Low attacks will go under a mid/high-block, while high attacks go over a low/mid-block. Block high attacks with 4 and low attacks with 1. If that's not the issue you're having, then... hm. Hopefully you're not doing the 147 thing I always do when switching from low to mid/high-blocking. If you ever hit 7 while trying to block, your guard will drop for however long it takes for your character to actually jump off the floor. This usually means you get hit. And how do I escape the corner? I get raped to death in the corners. Attack or defend I still lose. Rachel seems way harder than arakune who can just teleport away. Escaping the corner as Rachel... if they give you a chance, counterhit them with a 6a or 6b. If not, block until you can jump out or you see an opening to reverse their momentum. Against some characters (like Arakune), your best option is often just taking a specific hit and escaping or winding yourself out with a winded jump. Heck, sometimes, instead of trying to escape, you can spend an opening dropping a frog before blocking again. It'll slow down whatever pressure game they have and often reverse the momentum if they decide to ignore it. This is not a good idea against all the characters, though, as some (notably Tager and Hakumen) can deal with the frog and effectively continue pressure all in one move. Learning to insta-block is also an awesome thing for reversing pressure, as you can respond to attacks faster than they can continue their pressure. Counter assault/dead angle is also very useful. When you're barrier guarding, if you hit 6 instead of 4, your character will toss out a counterattack. It won't do any damage, but it'll free you from corner pressure. Costs 50 heat, though. In Rachel's case, her counter assault attack is 4b, so it's definitely useful. Unfortunately, it's not an option that comes to my mind very often when I'm stuck in a corner and getting squished (especially against Tager and Hakumen), but it's always there, if you have enough heat. EDIT: Speaking of videos, I need to get a couple in at some point. Don't know how to record vs matches on the same console, or even if it's possible to do so. So yeah. Question to all of you: Is it possible to record versus matches of people playing on the same console? It might help to get input on both my playing and that of my brother. If you have Dazzle, yeah, you can record it. Other than that, I dunno. Hmm... maybe I should post a link to one of my videos so you can see how badly I play. XD; Yeah, I don't know any easy way to record matches on the same console other than stuff like Dazzle. You can record replays from the PSP, but that requires custom firmware, some tinkering on your part, and a bunch of effort (since the audio often needs to be recorded seperately and synched up in a video editor). I've heard about this USB adapter thingy that's supposed to be pretty good for recording (costs, like, $5-$10 USD), but I can't remember what it's called for the life of me. Edit: USB adapter is called "Easycap USB Recorder." Sample videos: Easycap BlazBlue PSP BlazBlue Edit 2: What is with the length of these posts? :8/:
DarkChildOfLight Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks for the great tips you guys. AS for recording video I just using a normal digital camera that has a basic video recording feature. The video that I showed you was uploaded by the guy I played. He has some equipment to get it straight onto a computer but he can't play the game on HD quality on the TV at the same time. I put my camera on a stack of books. I would love to see your videos you guys so I can see this stuff in action. Thanks
Tari Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Thanks for the great tips you guys. AS for recording video I just using a normal digital camera that has a basic video recording feature. The video that I showed you was uploaded by the guy I played. He has some equipment to get it straight onto a computer but he can't play the game on HD quality on the TV at the same time. I put my camera on a stack of books. I would love to see your videos you guys so I can see this stuff in action. Thanks Behold me blatantly disregarding my own advice.
rurouni572 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Oh mah gah nice corner rape hahaha. I try to do that to my friend who plays Jin but I think I still lack confidence in my ability to keep him in the corner and he finds ways to mash out. I figure there's a way to punish his mashing 5a or 2a in the corner with pumpkin but I think I'm mistiming my wind vs. his roll or wake up. I'll try to get some recordings up too via cheap digital camera >_<.
Kuuhaku Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Lol. I wonder if I'm the only person who does 4B as an overhead when they're corner locked with George and crouching. If they're high blocking I use 2B. But... yeah, not many people remember to block switch for 4B because it's so rarely used. It's worked out well for me a few times. Also- I don't have the patience for three round matches. Every time I get the advantage in the first two rounds, I lose it in the third round and never seem to get it back. http://www.youtube.com/user/tinymon#p/a/u/0/Dtky7qw0PPI This is a recent match. Yeah, I know I can't block for beans. I always get caught by cross ups and Bang's low hits. And I fell for wake up Daifunka which is pretty embarrassing.
DarkChildOfLight Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 You guys are awesome! I managed to use Rachels Astral heat on someone who was around my level. I'll record it and upload it tomorrow.
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