antih3r0 Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 at 2:50 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03kz_5DlEWo&feature=related on noel ch 2c 2d (dash) 5b jc j. b j.[c] 2d dj. 2c j.c land (dash) 6a 632146c (insert follow up) extra wind but can set up oki midscreen...just saw it. gonna go play around with it to check it off counter hit 6a and stuff...dont see a reason why it wont work. edit:: ok at some point you have to dash to connect super. i labeled both spots...if you do the first dash you cross under...if you dash before super you do it the normal way.
Soniti Posted July 21, 2009 Author Posted July 21, 2009 at 2:50 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03kz_5DlEWo&feature=related on noel ch 2c 2d 5b jc j. b j.c 2d dj. 2c j.c land 6a 632146c (insert follow up) extra wind but can set up oki midscreen...just saw it. gonna go play around with it to check it off counter hit 6a and stuff...dont see a reason why it wont work. He crosses up the j.2dc, interesting...
DC Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Wow that was an amazing combo. And they told me 2C had no use...
Binh Mighty Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 I made a playlist on youtube on Rachel videos (mostly of her winning in the end of the sets) that I wanted to share. I just gather up the vids I could find and put them on there. I ordered the videos oldest to newest. (page 1 to page 2) http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=A0070B037D86DAA1 If anyone have good mention videos worth adding link it here please.
DC Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Thanks for the playlist... but does anyone know any top Rachel players that have their own channels and upload videos regularly?
maelgrim Posted July 27, 2009 Posted July 27, 2009 Guardcrush/corner-rape Rachel sure is becoming popular. Unfortunately most of my matches have been vs Ragna so my experience has been the complete opposite
Soniti Posted July 27, 2009 Author Posted July 27, 2009 I added the new version of Nanashi's Rachel combo video to the first post. Also added a youtube link.
Riou Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Youtube link @ http://youtube.com/?v=Z625-691tSY for those who can't watch Nico. Whoa at some of the combos in that, very pretty. Useful stuff as follows: Ragna Midscreen: 5b 5cdc 236b IAD delay j.b j.c land dash 6a 632146c ... crosses up so not 100% sure about frog (probably works), but you can definitely bound (lvl2 j.2c (sj 8d j.2c) into frog 3c actually works?!) Thanks a lot for the combo annotation for this combo, but i was wondering if this combo would work on other character such as Jin and Noel?
kro_ Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Goldenrody uploaded some new videos on youtube. And yes, this is THE shonen that plays Testament. Shonen (Litchi) vs. Tobari (Rachel) Set 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=226j7wDMx9I&feature=channel Set 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih4jS5zUav4&feature=channel Set 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0a2jTYVRU&feature=channel
Maester Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 The Litchi loop really annoys me, it shows no skill what so ever.
ant12292 Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 ^Agreed, I am motivated to block well because it bores the hell out of me if I am hit by it.
Goldenrody Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 The same Rachel vs Kogatan Jin http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7609216
metsuke Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 Some interesting misses by the Rachel player in those matches. Is Tobari a well-known player?
kro_ Posted July 28, 2009 Posted July 28, 2009 He qualified for SBO. And I think he's pretty good based on these videos. I've never seen him play before, but his zoning is so similar to mine it's creepy.
Soniti Posted July 28, 2009 Author Posted July 28, 2009 He qualified for SBO. And I think he's pretty good based on these videos. I've never seen him play before, but his zoning is so similar to mine it's creepy. I agree -- Tobari is very skilled.
metsuke Posted July 29, 2009 Posted July 29, 2009 He qualified for SBO. Good enough for me. He has odd combo choices (backdash pumpkin after super, instead of frog 3c; also 6a 22a 6a super (wasting the pole) instead of 3c super), and like N-O, passes up several perfect super opportunities despite having plenty of meter. I still don't understand why Rachel wouldn't super in those situations; it would be one thing if these players were actually using RCs or alpha counters with any frequency, but they aren't. What's the point of sitting on meter then? In some rounds against Shonen, he spends a lot of time in the air, which seems unwise given how strong Litchi's anti-air and air-to-air game are, not to mention the fact that you cripple your wind recovery that way. Sure, you're going to jump to summon pumpkins, frog, etc., but the airtime seems excessive in places. He also seems to have the habit of double-tapping c after j.2c, which screws him in a few places (lol@ j.2c land 5c). 5b 3d JC j.b is odd as a hitconfirm string, since it only works against standing opponents (except Tager/Haku). As such, it doesn't give you extra time to hitconfirm since you have to hitconfirm at 5b that the opponent is standing. Yet, everyone seems to be doing it. If you can hitconfirm at 5b, why wouldn't you use something like 6cd, or just save the wind and do straight 5dcc combo to super?
kro_ Posted July 29, 2009 Posted July 29, 2009 5b 3d JC j.b is odd as a hitconfirm string, since it only works against standing opponents (except Tager/Haku). As such, it doesn't give you extra time to hitconfirm since you have to hitconfirm at 5b that the opponent is standing. Yet, everyone seems to be doing it. If you can hitconfirm at 5b, why wouldn't you use something like 6cd, or just save the wind and do straight 5dcc combo to super? I've noticed that he only does this when he hits with the edge of 5b. Looks like he uses it to move close enough to where a 5cdc > frog is guaranteed to connect. Also, after 5b 3d jc j.b j.2c you can use the leftover momentum to do 5b jc j.b j.2c j.c. I think both of these strings combined make up for not doing 6cdc. 6cdc tends not to connect sometimes if done at max 5b range too. As for not comboing frog after super, it looks like they really just want to stack poles in the corner for a future super setup. And that distance where 236a hits them just before hitting the ground in the corner is a very good position for Rachel. Hard to counter with anything in between those gaps, can activate lightning if they jump, and they still have to worry about pumpkin into mixup. It's like an old-school ST fireball trap. Seed is the slow fireball and lightning is the fast fireball.
metsuke Posted July 29, 2009 Posted July 29, 2009 I've noticed that he only does this when he hits with the edge of 5b. Looks like he uses it to move close enough to where a 5cdc > frog is guaranteed to connect. Also, after 5b 3d jc j.b j.2c you can use the leftover momentum to do 5b jc j.b j.2c j.c. I think both of these strings combined make up for not doing 6cdc. 6cdc tends not to connect sometimes if done at max 5b range too. Good catch; so distance issue, instead of hitconfirm issue? That makes a lot more sense. Adding the extra stuff at the end just seems like unnecessary prorating though, especially j.c (P2=80). As for not comboing frog after super, it looks like they really just want to stack poles in the corner for a future super setup. And that distance where 236a hits them just before hitting the ground in the corner is a very good position for Rachel. Combo to frog seems to be a stronger setup to me, because 3c 214a at the end has them teching into a frog with a pumpkin floating right on top of them. Outside of combos, it's pretty hard to get Litchi to block a frog (or even get one out safely, frankly). And that's ignoring the extra damage, meter, and wind you get from drawing out the combo. I definitely agree about that distance though. Judgment call, I guess.
Soniti Posted July 29, 2009 Author Posted July 29, 2009 You may notice his air string a portion of the time is 5b 3d j.a j.a j.2c land 5cc.... (note no wind here). IMO it's both for moving closer and for pushing them to the corner. If you use it, it is rarely worth using super anymore due to massive proration. His choices in the corner make sense if he wants to be certain that his opponent doesn't escape from the corner. He also gets pole setups via his early combo-stop method, and if they do anything but neutral tech and block the rod they get tech punished with a HIGHLY damaging rod -> frog -> super.
DC Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Are there any other combo vids besides MSY's and the other one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z625-691tSY)? I was thinking about making my own just for fun but don't want to use stuff that's done a lot already.
metsuke Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 His choices in the corner make sense if he wants to be certain that his opponent doesn't escape from the corner. He also gets pole setups via his early combo-stop method, and if they do anything but neutral tech and block the rod they get tech punished with a HIGHLY damaging rod -> frog -> super. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=226j7wDMx9I&feature=channel Starting from 4:18. Neither the combo nor setup make any sense to me. The 6b is unnecessary, the 5b 236a should be 3c 236a, and the 6a is unnecessary. His after-super setup is just a backdash pumpkin - no frog, no pole. He could have done {5b 5dcc 214a 3c 236a dash 632146c 214a 3c 236a 214b 3c 214a} and gotten +1.2k damage, more wind regen, and a pole+pumpkin+frog oki. I can't think of a single good reason to do what he did here. If you can, please explain (not trying to be an asshole or anything, I'm genuinely curious).
Soniti Posted July 31, 2009 Author Posted July 31, 2009 I dunno what he was doing at that particular time, actually.
Spirit Juice Posted August 1, 2009 Posted August 1, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=226j7wDMx9I&feature=channel Starting from 4:18. Neither the combo nor setup make any sense to me. The 6b is unnecessary, the 5b 236a should be 3c 236a, and the 6a is unnecessary. His after-super setup is just a backdash pumpkin - no frog, no pole. He could have done {5b 5dcc 214a 3c 236a dash 632146c 214a 3c 236a 214b 3c 214a} and gotten +1.2k damage, more wind regen, and a pole+pumpkin+frog oki. I can't think of a single good reason to do what he did here. If you can, please explain (not trying to be an asshole or anything, I'm genuinely curious). Probably had a brain fart. Also, using 6A into super makes it easier to set up pole+frog+pumpkin okizeme, but like I said, he probably had a brain fart.
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