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9/1/12 Nishi Nippori Nosuke (PT) vs Supinoza Seji (TA) vs Supinoza Zekuso (VK) vs Dan (TS) Dan (TS) vs Mutou (HZ) Supinoza vs Mutou (HZ)

Frame data for Elizabeth is up.

Forgive me if I don't seem that talkative. The game isn't out here, and it makes it very difficult to keep up with you guys. On a side note try to keep the MU discussion here to a bare minimum please and thank you.

Alright thanks Outlaw. Elochai I think that would prove to be very beneficial, especially for the beginners.

Added Outlaw Vinegar's information re: IK to the wiki.

Zio? Thanks for this.

I also feel that you did pretty well. Keep at it.

Doesn't surprise me that ChrisG changed. At 1:30 Mitsuru used her r-action annd you blocked it, but you backdashed instead of punishing it (She only had 41 SP so she couldn't super cancel either). That was your opportunity to land at least 5k. Be careful with 5C(2) > stuff against Mitsuru. She can coup through them for free breaking Thanatos and scoring a CH on you. Then again, you should be careful with using 5C in this MU because Mitsuru can coup Thanatos for free. Last round - Man I feel for you ;/ Unlucky you actually nearly had him.

I can't comment. Zio seemed to be working a lot for you in match 2/3, but you didn't use it so much in match 3/3. I think you could've used it a little more, but as you said you've played him before so you're a better judge as to whether it'll be a good idea or not. Nice to see you play.

Yea nima is doing it too late. Check the 1st combo in the basic combo video by yunyun for a visual reference.

Moved posts to Gameplay Discussion thread.

Yea that's the trick TD mentioned a while back, but it's nice to have visual aid. Cool.

Ok. Thank you.

I read a post by Synthesis that the combo is suboptimal. Is the combo hard? How much damage does the B.Bufu x2 > j.C ender deal? I left the air combo there to give an easy route for beginners, or for those who find the alternative combos hard.

If you post anything I could publish it to the wiki so yea that'll be greatly appreciated. Of course anything I write there may not be fully valid, just yet.

Yea thanks for that Toan. Would someone like to volunteer to do the offense section and beef up the defense? You'd make me a very happy dawg.

See I didn't know that but I figured there was a difference. Thanks.

...it's in the first post....

It is since you can only followup throws with sweep in the corner. I assume the direction of the Garu depends on which character you are playing against.

Can't say I didn't see that coming.

I believe you are mixing up cheap with annoying, though you seem to also be suggesting that he is brain dead. Arakune has the chance to turn the tide with curse and his death combos. Even if he doesn't kill, he has combos which can put you back in curse again. You have to block during curse mode which increases his chances of winning because of the kind of mixup he posesses. Valkenhayn has amazing (understatement) corner carry and can attain at least 4K of most of his normals in the corner. His 6C is + on block and leads into 5k meterlessly, and he has very good pressure and mixup. Wolf mixup/pressure is also quite obnoxious. Ragna has more bad MUs than Valkenhayn. Ragna has bad MUs against: Litchi, Mu, Lambda, Jin, Rachel, Relius. Those are just a few and you're forgetting that Ragna does particularly worse against these type of characters with more range because it's difficult to get in. Ragna isn't so brain dead that I could pick him up and win in a tournament. It's more than that, and I hope you can realise this because this is getting redundant.

It's no problem. That combo sounds crazy dude!

It's like, Ragna is cheap, but then there's Valk and Arakune. Doesn't make sense to me, end of. He's cheap because he's stale? Come off that. I haven't played much P4.

Nah 2B isn't jump cancellable unfortunately. The jump afterwards was not immediate.

.... Refraining from insulting. This thread I swear....