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That's entirely headcanon or a fanfic, or you were lied to, then, lol. It's absolutely never addressed in canon.

I was replying to dancel. The belt inscriptions are never explained within canon, I've read plenty of fics about it though. Seriously though, an important thing to realize about GG story is... most things will never be explained, much less explicitly so. By now, you must have noticed they're fond of only implying things at most? While we've been going over these translations, a lot of the language used is very... how to put it... well, implicit, or subtle. You're supposed to fill things in for yourself.

So you're asking then, basically, if Ky would destroy (if he could) Dizzy or Sin if they went berserk (I mean like, totally berserk, not 5 min brainwashing)? The answer is yes. Without a doubt, in my mind.

Sol's Story In the not-too-distant future, Illyria- the land that was thought to become the capital of the world, was lined with modern-day architecture. A man who worked as a bounty hunter taking down gears- Sol Badguy- visited the city in response to an acquaintance's request during the Winter, close to New Years Eve. [..I believe he’s at the church right up there.] After finishing her explanation, the woman added, [Please help him...] (t/n: this part in japanese doesn’t specifically state help but it suggests to do SOMETHING to that person in an assisting way) and bowed her head. Her long hair that was tied together with a ribbon fell like silk off her back. [so troublesome....] Still with a sour look, Sol responded frankly. It wasn’t as if he was in ill humor. Anyone who knew him would think that this was his normal state. [...This is the kid?] Sol said while lowering his line of sight. During this whole time, Sol held interest in the little boy who stood behind his mother’s skirt as if to hide -- he was looking at Sol with fearful eyes. He looked about three to four years old. He had pale blonde hair, skin as white as porcelain, and was well-equipped facial features and a left eye that shone light green. In addition, he had on an outfit that wrapped everything together nicely. In one small hand he held tightly on the woman’s skirt, and in the other he preciously hugged a stuffed doll the size of his face. If he had not had prior knowledge that the child was a boy, Sol would have probably mistaken the child for a girl. There was something uncanny about how perfectly his features fit. In such a composition of harmonious features, there was a remarkably denoting and eye-grabbing part. It was his right eye. The right eye was covered by an eye patch as if to hide something sinister. That one feature broke the balance of the otherwise masterful harmony that was being played and was creepily real. For a moment, Sol forgot to blink and stared. Perhaps Sol’s attention got to him, but the boy, too young to even be called a lad, diverted his eyes and hid even further back into his mother’s shadow. [...Yes, He’s my-...our child. He came to this world about half an year ago.] Sol confirmed the information. The boy was already up to his mother’s waist in height; far too large for being born just half a year ago. Naturally, this was not possible considering normal human growth rate. The mother’s expression became one of sadness. Normally, this should have been the happiest time of her life, however, she could not experience all the joy that came with this time in their situation. Sol’s gait walking on the cobblestones was heavy. In the early afternoon, the crowd in the exclusive area segmented for senior bureaucrats was sparse. Perhaps they were preparing lunch---the smoke from the private houses itched his nose and his stomach growled. As he entered the alley and turned, the view soon opened up to a stone building. He opened the door and entered. The inside was a large opening that was rather dim, and the air was even drier than the outside. There was some light coming from above. It seemed to be shining through the stained glass on the walls. If you had lowered your line of sight back to the front, right below the stained glass, there was the statue of the Virgin Mary. And, at the Virgin Mary’s feet was a youth on one knee devoting his prayers. There was no one else. Lying next to the youth was his favorite sword. (e/n: This leads into the scene at the end of Ky’s story.) ‘How many years has it been since I last saw him? The last time was...’ while swimming in his thoughts, the youth noticed the footsteps and suddenly raised his head and turned. “........Sol?” In those words there was a mix of surprise and confusion. Their eyes met. In an instant, Sol took a deep breath and furrowed his brow. Standing there was a man far from the Ky Kiske he remembered. His cheeks were thin and devoid of their usual color, large bags had formed under his eyes, his lips were dry and chapped, and there was no light in his eyes. And above all else, Ky was sporting an eyepatch just like the child named Sin had over his right eye. “Heh....I see...” He spoke, allowing his state of incredulity to be apparent in his voice. Ky didn’t respond. Silence. A cold air surrounded the two of them. As a bell rang stirring the dry air and marking the time of day, Ky was the first to break the silence. [...What did you... come here for?] Perhaps his throat was dry. He spit out his words as if he were squeezing them out. [Your God asked me to come here. He said that your confession was taking too long.] [...What do you mean...?] Ky muttered, as if he was brushing off Sol’s comment. However, without even waiting for Ky to finish speaking, he closed the distance with a lunging tackle. Ky quickly twisted his body as if he was rolling sideways to evade the attack. “What are you doing!?” “Your face has gotten even more irritating than before...” “Enough, quit joking around!” Ky furiously kicked the floor and grabbed Sol. Sol didn’t bother moving from where he was and grabbed and raised the arm that stretched towards him. “What would you...what would you know about my justice!” Every sentence, as if trying to squeeze out the words, Ky screamed. It rang as if he were asking himself. “I don’t give a damn about your Justice!” Sol’s great sword swung to the side and shattered the air. Instinctively, Ky used his Thunderseal to block the attack. The two swords clashed violently, sparks flew, and the deafening clang echoed throughout the room. “Heh, I’ll play with you. Oh, and come at me with all you got.” Ky bit his lips and tightened his grip. He confined his bloodthirst, and lightning dwelled in his Thunderseal. As if bored, Sol used his brute strength to counter Ky’s lightning-fast attack. “Your confession starts now!” ----------------------------- After crossing swords multiple times, they distanced themselves. Most of Ky’s attacks were either evaded, bounced back, or even countered. Ky’s mentality and physical state had never been perfect from the start. Unable to hide his fatigue, he leaned on his blade gasping for breath. On the other hand, Sol was completely composed and showed no signs of weariness. “What’s the matter? Is this all you got?” “....*pant*...N-Not yet!” Gathering his willpower, Ky stood up once more. The sweat from his forehead dripped down. At some point, the color returned to Ky’s face. The glint in his eyes also regained their former brilliance. “Seems like your face is lookin’ a bit better, yeah?....nah, still not enough!” Sol took up his sword again. In response to his movements, Ky also put up his guard. Sol took one large step forward. Just at that moment, the blade was going to swing down--- “S-STOP!” Something that didn’t fit in this brutal scene was clinging at his feet. “...Sin!?” “What is it kid? What’s up?” Sin desperately grabbed onto Sol’s legs and would not dare let go. “I hate daddy... but ..if daddy gets hurt, mommy would cry. And I..I won’t forgive anyone who makes mommy cry!” “...I see. Kid, you’re not scared of me?” It was obvious that the kid was scared of Sol. Even now his face looked as if he was about to cry. His hand that had been holding the stuffed doll was slightly shaking. “I..I am scared. But...I-I won’t forgive!!” He was able to declare firmly to a large adult more than twice his size. Ky’s sword fell from his hand and hit the floor. A tear that had formed out of his right eye became a drop and rolled down his cheek. “Sigh...even your son is a bigger man than you are.” Sol scratched his head. ----------------------------- “Sol....I want to request something...” “...hnn?” “My son....Sin..can you take care of him for a while?” “...what did you say?” “I know it’s unreasonable but...I still want to ask...” Caught by surprise by the sudden request, Sol hesitated for once. The person in question, whether he understood the conversation or not, hesitantly looked back and forth at the two. “...Is that the answer you came up with?” Sol asks back. “...No. But, can you give me a little bit of time? At least until I can make a world where he and my wife can smile...” Ky answered without hesitation, and Sol put on a fearless smile. “Heh...you won’t have any complaints on what kind of man he becomes right?”

You're implying here that Ky isn't already stained with blood... like he says himself, he's a military man. He was a soldier, he killed thousands of Gears. I don't think he'd have a problem with killing in general; it's killing innocents that he'd have a problem with, which is an important distinction. As to a battle of humans to humans, he'd do what's necessary as a military commander for his people. And as for being put in a position of choosing on a personal level... I think he'd trust his family is strong enough to be able to take care of themselves without him having to sacrifice another life for their sake. --- Sol's story *should* be up later tonight! Finishing edits now.

It's Dizzy yeah, but saying it's 100% is still not really true considering after all that they've never just said 'oh yeah btw we couldn't name her at the time but it's Dizzy'. More like 99.9%. Then again they hate confirming anything (Faust and Baldhead, etc- notice they didn't name Faust in this story, either because of the copyright issue, though they could have used Baldhead maybe) that's blatantly obvious, which I never really understood. How the UN found out... see I find this excerpt interesting: There's just something about the way it's worded specifically to be a high pitched voice.. grinning with joy etc. I really want to know who this spy who seems to imply they know Dizzy is. A spy in the Jellyfish, maybe? I just personally found this part to stand out as interesting.

Ky's Story: Gears were created by humans as soulless mechanical weapons. Despite their despicable nature, a half-Gear with a kind soul was born. As a half-Gear born between a Gear and a human, she was born with a kind and gentle heart. However, due to the fact that she was born as a Gear, humans placed an incredibly large bounty on her head, and her life was constantly threatened. The meeting between this girl and the former commander of the anti-Gear army [seikishidan] (Sacred Order of Holy Knights), Ky Kiske, happened two years ago. For Ky, who had fought countless battles on the front lines against Gears, meeting this kind-hearted half-Gear who despised destruction and slaughter was refreshing yet mysterious. As time went by, they continued to see each other, and the half-gear's existence in Ky's heart underwent a change. He now knew he had to protect her. If you were to define the beginning of love, it would have been precisely that moment. Ky decided to put her under his protection. Despite the fact that such a decision was against the belief of justice and humanity he had been true to always. The two began to live together. As a government worker, Ky diligently pursued public service. The half-Gear, while waiting for Ky's return, protected their home and worked hard on house chores. Spending their days as such, they communicated from their heart and trusted each other -- it did not take long for them to begin wanting each other. Ky loved her from the bottom of his heart, and she deeply respected and loved him in return. Soon Ky was unable to deceive or even hide his true feelings for her. Furthermore, she wasn’t of any nationality or family register (t/n: census) and therefore, could not get married. Despite his knowledge of such, Ky proposed to her. Without the approval from society they pledged eternal love to each other. Filled with a sense of guilt.... The two spent about a year together of pure bliss. The happy times soon waned and the sense of guilt and immorality (t/n: immoral soul is the most direct translation I can get but not sure if that's the best way to put it? Maybe a feeling that he lacked morals is better) smoldered deep in Ky's heart. However, those feelings were soon brought back due to a certain event: his wife's pregnancy. As a loving young couple, the result itself was more than mysterious. When the doctor, who was one of the few who knew about their situation, told them of the pregnancy, the couple held hands and rejoiced. However, the change in the half-Gear's body due to the pregnancy was strange compared to that of a human’s. Her abdomen (nn: more like her belly area), in simply 3 weeks, grew to the size of an adult human halfway through her pregnancy -- growth that was far too fast. Ky was soon reminded that his wife was a Gear and that the baby inside who shared her blood was also a Gear. The sense of sin that was brewing deep within him was suddenly revived. As if to seal the deal, the words that came out of the doctor’s mouth gave birth to a darkness within Ky. [i cannot see the fetus. It seems like it is surrounded by a hard shell.] [….so...that...what does it mean?] Ky asked as he felt everything in front of him grow dark. [The GEAR—I'm sorry...Your wife is laying an egg.] (t/n: I'm sorry, it's supposed to be serious but I can't figure out a way to word it without making it sound hilarious) ---------------------------------- The Holy War that had spanned many years left devastating damage all over the world and many people lost their homes. Despite that, people had to survive. Only survival was the supreme proposition. People during that time avoided war damages and worked together to develop new land and reconstructed towns. Finally their efforts bore fruit. As the reconstruction of the towns progressed, the problems that were lying in the shadows surfaced. The community that was built solely on survival unintentionally became a melting pot of many strange ideals, philosophies and religions. Ironically people began to notice this abnormal situation with the reconstruction of the town. Luckily, the people knew all too well the bitterness of war and they avoided creating a large-scale conflict. Gathering towards other people with similar thoughts and religion, they naturally segregated themselves into their individual communities. In response to the many communities being formed under the situation, the executives of the United Nations realized that these communities have an enormous amount of speech and influence. With that, they were successfully able to gain control of a large range of territory from across Europe to western Eurasia. With that, the world appeared separated from the surface governing structure. It was with the efforts of the members of the United Nations as well as other states and local governments. In recent years they began national restructuring in an effort to obtain a larger grasp on control/power. They sectioned off the states and local governments they currently controlled into three different regions and appointed kings. It was a large-scale transformation of the governing structure. Currently, two kingdoms were already founded and that left only one to go. This region was where Ky lived, Illyria. If the country already named [illyria Ren Koku] → [Allied Kingdom Illyria] was to be born, it would be ranked second in the world for total land size, but it would be first in the world in terms of market size. It was undeniable that it would become the central city for reconstruction of the human race. ---------------------------------- That day, in response to an invitation, Ky was at UN headquarters. In a dim conference room, Ky was surrounded by people who claimed to be the United Nations Senate. (t/n: from this point on it starts to become more of Ky’s point of view) What did this sudden summoning mean? If it were found out that he was sheltering a gear, they wouldn’t have calmly sent out an invitation letter. Well regardless, I cannot let my guard down. Ky: [Chief of the National Police Agency, Ky Kiske present.] Delegate: [Today we summoned you for no other reason. We want your cooperation.] Ky breathed a sigh of relief. It seemed like it was unrelated to his wife. He regained his composure. (t/n: this is the best I can translate it but literal is: his soul regained calm.) [i am a public servant under the jurisdiction of the United Nations. I will obey proper orders, but are you waiting on jurisdiction to order me?] Ky was testing the waters. At the same time it included the intent to explore the actual situation of this organization of these so-called Senates. [it’s not an order, it’s cooperation. I believe I said that earlier?] [Ah, I see. And..you want me to..?] A short silence/pause. Then a man in a low voice cleared his throat and opened his mouth. [We want you to become the king of the Allied Kingdom of Illyria.] Ky was taken aback. [The Allied Kingdom of Illyria is about to be established. At the end of the year there would be a national referendum to electing a king. We would like for you to run in this election.] [You are a hero. Being a genius in both swordsmanship and magic, your young self became the head of the syndicate. Plus you’re a pretty boy (t/n: YES they actually say ‘bishounen’).] [indeed. If it were you, you would be able to get more than enough votes from the general populace.] [We will promise to back you up with all our efforts. It should be an irresistible offer for you, I believe...how about it?] Ky hesitated. In fact, not too long ago, Ky seriously considered running as a candidate to become King. By becoming King, he would have the power to greatly change the world for the better: for the people who are suffering, for his wife and for his child that will be born...he wanted to change the world------This is the best chance! But....what is their incentive? Ky decided it would be best to wait and see. [i am honored to receive your recommendation, but I am a military officer. I do not believe I can do politics.] Choosing his words carefully he cautiously withheld his emotions. He was not expecting an obvious response but... [That’s fine if you don’t do politics. You just have to keep your mouth shut and sit on the throne.] There wasn’t a response more obvious than that. They wanted a puppet...a marionette that they could control however they wanted. What’s scary was that they didn’t even bother hiding it. That must have been their self-confidence showing. They already determined that I’m a person that they can just manipulate easily. In any case, right now I want time to think.... [...It’s not something I can make a quick judgement about. I would like some time to think...] [...Yes. Well that’s fine. Then we’ll postpone this for now.] [...Thank you very much.] [...By the way your secret wife; she’s quite charming...] [....huh?!] [i feel like I’ve seen her before, your wife that is....I wonder where that was?] A high-pitched voice rang. Those words came out of a mouth grinning with joy. Ky shuddered. They...they most likely know everything. [We expect a good response...] ---------------------------------- That day, Ky Kiske headed off to a familiar church early in the morning. In front of a statue of the Virgin Mary, he put his sword next to himself, and, as if collapsed, went down on one knee. The days of anguish have eaten away at his soul and body. An answer still hadn’t come out. The path he must choose splits into many different ways. Once, he had the pride to fight and pursue the justice in which he himself believed. But...for what purpose does my justice exist? Whom will my justice help? A place where humans and Gears can co-exist....Am I really able to create such a world? Do I, who shoulders so much sin, have the qualifications to guide the world...? He repeatedly asked himself. How much time passed......he began to hear footsteps from behind. Rare for this time (for a person to visit the church).... Ky turned around, and the last man he wanted to be seen by appeared.

Well, it's been what 5-ish years and there's still been no full translations of these stories SO a native-speaker familiar with the series has undertaken the task! I'll be posting the translations for Ky, Sol, and Sin's Overture artbook stories here (maybe Izuna/Valentine/Paradigm too? idk how many she's doing). She doesn't want to make a dl/post these herself and asked me to do it. They're almost all completed, we're working on the editing for them so I'll post them up in their own posts as the editing is finished. ____ CREDITS: All translations are by Noa (deviantART | tumblr) Editing done by Nainsoo and myself. Please don't repost these without permission, and reposts must include the credits above. Translator notes are included as it goes with a (t/n:-- ) Will be crossposting each of these to my tumblr! _____ INDEX (which will be more useful when everything is posted): (x) Ky's Story (x) Sol's Story (x) Sin's Story (x) Valentine's Story (x) Izuna's Story (x) Paradigm's Story??

If we're gonna talk overproduction (or better yet, over-composition), where it really got bad is anything around 2007-onwards. But I definitely agree with the sentiment.

Ah cool, thanks

Coming for GG, looks like! Bringing roomie along possibly. Anyone bringing a converter for PS2/PS3 controller?

They've been in the same world more or less the whole time, Raven was just a background character. I don't see how him being playable would change this. If you actually played them at the same time against each other, a special intro would be cool, but I don't really see this being.. an issue...

This isn't Blazblue.

Yeah, not that I ever saw in combing news articles about it (since I was curious myself). I was hoping for a Chimaki vs Roger deathmatch

The last thing GG needs is another DS gimmick game like Dust Strikers... GG already has a weirdly named sidegame: Pro Jumper Chimaki's Hot Spring Tour Guilty Gear Tangent!? (Interesting to know about the 3DS though, I guess it's a good thing I'm planning on getting an original then.)

Scenario =/= script. Anything Mori does is the same as whatever Daisuke does for GG- a story outline, again as is par the course for video games.

He's the director and lead designer/conceptual person, but he himself isn't a writer... that's pretty par for the course with any video game creator and their series (Hideo Kojima, Satoshi Tajiri, etc). None of them actually write the scripts of their series (Kojima might write a bit, but he definitely doesn't write most or all). So both, actually. Yes, he is "responsible" and he's like GL in that he delegates his ideas out, but he's not the one putting pen to paper for the actual scripts. That's almost never the case in these development situations unless maybe you have a really small indie game/team.

Personally I don't like him either but I find him a lot more clever/bearable when you look at him as a take-that on creepy Dizzy fanboys

He's not Johnny's master, they had the *same* master. Ufomi.. something? Anyway, Crow betrayed him and caused the school to fail/possibly killed him?? (Don't quite remember the specifics) edit: just looked it up, got thrown into a dimensional prison (like Zato's or Justice's) for it, which is why Johnny doesn't like him.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. For comparison, looking at the GGX trailer (and I suppose, the XX intro movie since by the looks of it they were done by the same company?), I'm sure those alone cost them quite a bit at that time... If they can do that themselves with the technology available now, I'd hope that they would. They're really emphasizing this mix of the 3D and the 2D and we know that Daisuke himself likes the western-style real-time cinematic game look.

Ohhhh ok, I see what you mean now- that we wouldn't know until the next installment which ending would be canon, which of course left us hanging for years in many cases. With AC+ we would have already known which ending is canon for Sol Ky and Dizzy, but not for anyone else and that's where it fell apart a bit. I agree it'd be better- when the installments are this many years apart- to point out which one is true right then and there. But you suggested it should be: ...Which is the original point here. I'm not sure what else this would be saying, other than a retcon of AC... And I realized I should note my response at first (hence "this mentality") was continuation of my reaction to the general attitude that has been popping up a lot these past couple weeks of people going off about how things weren't written the way they wanted. Not just you specifically. (Here's) (some) (context) that is admittedly much worse off (because tumblr..) but the point is the same. Cinematic endings, right? That would be nice to finally get, if anything storymode has been lacking from that. I'm hoping that with Xrd this will be amended (in-engine cinematics!) because I agree the method of storytelling- basically a drama CD set to still portraits- doesn't cut it anymore. Even BB has those shifting images for their endings instead of a single still image. And on that subject: Think it's possible we might get in-engine fully animated story sequences, or would that type of thing take too long/be too work intensive to be likely?

I still totally endorse the whole 'GG1 Axl is the true Axl after he got all buffed up through time adventures' theory. GG1 Axl for Xrd plz. (Also; I actually recently noticed that the Chipp wanting to be President thing has been around since X+. I thought it was weird in AC+ too because I don't recall it popping up in XX unless my memory is just fuzzy, but since it was there as early as X it makes much more sense now.) Anyway: Important to note: We're all aware that Daisuke was basically removed from involvement, apart from probably vague story-planning notes, of writing AC, right..? That's pretty important to consider when comparing it to the writing of things he was directly involved in. Basically, they knew 'we have to connect this from XX to Overture' and that's it. Unfortunately, that means the characters prevented from appearing in Overture got a crap end of the writing stick, because they didn't have much to go on as to their futures. That said, that's a really really broad statement to make that in a cast of 25 characters so much of it was ooc or terrible to the point that it might as well be scrapped. You mean how her entire story previous to this has been about her buildup of a bloodlusting, revenge-treading path, which multiple characters point out and warn her about in XX? So then, you don't like that her story went down the revenge-fueled path... And you also don't like that it went down the path of calming down somewhat and instead of the lone bloodfilled path, choosing traveling with her one major character relationship, who has met the person she seeks and can get her closer to what she wants... Sorry but again, I'm seriously asking: what did you expect/want out of her future story? What other major motivations could have been pulled from her as a path for her character to explore in a character whose entire life is motivated by revenge? Do you want her to ...idk, suddenly decide she wants to join the JFP?? (I mean, I know she's been shown drinking with Johnny before BUT) Heck, the whole Baiken/Chipp/Venom alliance does basically just that and gives you yet another avenue she might have gone down. Characters' own endings are clearly not the end-all-be-all of their possible paths. Look, I get what you're saying about tying up the loose ends in Xrd and yeah I think that's definitely going to happen (it needs to, with how much time has passed), but I still think your original statement that AC might as well be stricken from the record etc. is a really huge oversimplification and still smacks of 'because I didn't like this it's ooc', especially with the example given.

Ohh yes you're right, my bad. Was just going through X+ stories so that was on mind. Regardless; my point about the 'they didn't do it my way so it shouldn't have been done at all' mentality stands.

I can't understand this mentality. You want to be back in 2004 when the story barely colluded at all?? AC+ had 3 different endings per character for you to choose from. If you still can't find anything in 3 different endings to satisfy you even a little, then.. Iunno man. What do you want. (What I'm saying is, there's a line between 'I don't like the official route being taken with a character' and 'This character didn't follow my exact headcanon wishes I've had since XX, therefore scrap it all'. This dude's got it. I uh, wouldn't call BB 'concise' though, lol. I agree, but I don't think it's something that will come in-game. Most of that stuff has come with the (still untranslated 5+ years later wtf) novels and short stories contained in material collections; I could also see it being done via OVA. But it's not really the kind of thing a fighting game's gameplay is adept for. I think it's still really important that we get those answers though- how exactly did Frederick get converted, what happened leading up to the Crusades, and how did they get tipped off. I've always thought an OVA would be optimal to tell this part of the story. ...That really has nothing to do with the overarching storyline, though. Just the lack of the supporting characters. He's not going to suddenly decide to make the Colony trio the main characters because that one game did poorly (which let's be real, had more to do with the gameplay itself than the story even if story/character addition played a part; plus we know the character part was a legal issue anyway and not a conscious decision).

This. He's a crossdresser, not trans. -- Also: I lied about a day or two. You asked for it.