Rishtopher

RCs don't affect Nirvana or Ignis. Only Carl and Relius respectively.

Sweet, then we have 3 people now for a possible discussion thread :D We need more people though, anyone else interested??

It's the fact that he looks like a stronger, "easier to win with" Carl. Not that he plays like him at all. Anyone who thought Carl was cool but couldn't get used to him is going to be jumping on Carl Lite™. I don't doubt that he might have a high learning curve, but he honestly doesn't look as hard as Carl at all.

Sweet! I'd contribute too :D I kinda want there to be a Carl general discussion which isn't technical at all but I get the feeling it would only be you and I posting in either the fanart or general discussion thread T__T

Pretty much this, as much as I hate to admit it.

To be honest, I don't even really care about the changes...My main interest is discussing Carl's background/story/personality but it doesn't seem like anyone's into that here... I kinda give up on talking about the technical stuff since I don't know that much and it's not terribly interesting lol. If you want to steer the conversation to something more constructive, feel free to do so. Maybe we should have a Carl fanart thread or something? Just throwing out ideas. You don't have to be frustrated though. No offence to the Carl subforums but a lot of other characters' forums are easier going and generally have a lot more interesting things to say (my favs are the Tsubaki/Rachel discussion forums), you don't have to lurk this thread lol.

In all honesty, I think we Carl mainers just like to complain :P

So got around to watching some of those Shadow Relius vids and some things that I liked/noticed: - Ignis takes no damage to her meter from projectiles - His astral LOOKS like it's 0 frames? In the vid, Tager was able to RC but it didn't do anything. Similar to RC'ing when you hit Yukikaze's magic circle - Duo Bios > Sledge. I just like how she doesn't take meter damage during her special like Ada does, so many failed RoM's because of that >__> - Led Ley spamming. It was funny lol

You mean the part where you find it hard to combo because 2D knocks them so far back? :P JK obviously, I just want the game in my hands so I can see for myself. PSV releases in February in NA, if they want to have BBCSX as a launch title here too (with the simultaneous PS3/Xbox360 launch), we'll have to wait til then to play. I'm hoping we'll get our regular speedy release though. I don't plan on getting it for PSV.

I don't even get to play often, since I'm always doing assignments, hence me not being good at the game lol. I didn't know you were talking about it's usefulness on wakeup, I thought we were talking about using it raw in neutral game? The way I see it is this: Vivace is good for using during pressure and for mixup. Led Ley is better for baiting DPs, and reversals (with Ignis). In terms of usefulness to me, I say Led Ley is a lot better since I play way more defensively and reversals/a way to slow down pressure is preferable to going for mixup. I just don't really get what you mean when you say meaties could eat Led Ley pretty well, the same is true for Vivace. If were talking about using Vivace after getting knocked down, anyone spamming 2A will stop you, it's the same in either case actually. I think both are pretty bad on wakeup since anyone can just mash 2A/5A and stop you. That's why I thought we were talking about using it raw.

I was going with the assumption that Ignis is already summoned though lol. I think a changes thread would be good, but I don't know how many people would actually use it... I suggested the same a while back and the response was something like "we don't have that many Carl's anyway, so we're not sure how many people it would even benefit". Admittedly, I don't know enough about the game/Carl to do it myself, like I said, my interest in mainly in the story lol. I nominate you though Afro, you seem like you're on DL enough and you seem to know a lot about Carl n__n

I actually want anima to be as bullshit as possible. Seriously. Honestly, I'm just salty because I keep playing Bangs and they have so many lulzy shenanigans. His command grab does so much damage too (especially when he can RC into a combo). Like I said though, I don't care if it has a high proration or even reduced damage, I just want it it to be useful/threatening in some feasible way. I second the astral hitbox expansion. The screen edge thing is brutal. Against people who can fly, you have to keep them pressured to hit, but if you move then you screw it up (except if you have them in the corner). I agree that Arakune's is better, but it's just as boring as Carl's. When I get an astral with Carl, it's not as satisfying as if I got one with Valk/Rachel/Hakumen/Ragna/Haz, etc since it just isn't epic. That's subjective though, I guess. Still disagreeing on Led Ley being worse than Vivace. You aren't going to be throwing it out for no reason and without cover. If you use it right, you won't get CH since Ignis has got your back (literally). Plus she's faster to command than Ada, if anything, your opponent is getting CH. Vivace loses to lows and Ada is slow on cover unless you got em in hitstun. Plus it always loses to DPs. Even if you use Vivace with purpose, it still entails more risks than Led Ley does. Other than Fermata, I agree with this. I think Fermata is good enough the way it is. I only want/need Anima and his astral to be better.

Oh, I thought you meant he got better reset game in the change from CS2 to CSX. I was saying his reset game looks exactly the same to me, unless I'm still wrong about that?

lol I thought everyone had seen this already? It's been like days xD Ok, I'll keep you guys posted, I lurk DL a lot :P Hopefully we get on with the intro soon. Someone in the Relius thread told me it was really long and that Ada and Ignis clash in it :D

I agree with this. I want Anima to be a command grab. She gets SO easily poked out of the move and it's just a normal grab? That's so lame! You can barely even get a counter grab off of it since anyone's 5A will stop it. Seriously, make it good. It can prorate like crazy for all I care, just make it useful ASW >__< His astral being useful would also be awesome. No you-have-to-be-at-a-specific-part-of-the-screen-to-hit-and-oh-yeah-you-can't-move-either-and-you-might-die please. I want him to have something you can combo into and has a scene. I think him and Arakune have the most boring (and the least useful) astrals in the game /rant Also yeah, Relius was there in Phase 0 IIRC before the black beast appeared. He was eaten too. Also, I'm fairly certain he made Hazama's body like before the black beast was there (I have to check the short stories thread) while it was still called Kazama and hadn't merged with Terumi yet. Also(x2), there's ONE vid of Relius vs Carl so far, and they skipped the intro :| I honestly think the match up is in Relius' favour, but I don't think either Carl or Relius were that great in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m4b5eo9N7Y&feature=youtu.be&t=6m42s The announcer is talking throughout, so you can't hear anything >__> Autonomous R has been uploading YT vids, but only on his channel, it doesn't look like anyone's updating the thread anymore. Why do you say his reset game looks better?? It looks the same to me, but admittedly, I'm not a good Carl since I don't play him like I'm supposed to lol. I wouldn't call him S tier, but I'm thinking at the very lowest, B and the highest A. Brio's pretty fast, I think that's the only move that's better than Ignis'. Volante is good, but like, I wish it were a better/faster projectile. It has such a slow startup to actually accelerate and it takes so much meter (in CS2 I mean) =\ Honestly, the main draws of Relius to me are his dash, Ignis' speed/range and his health. Everything I wanted in Carl lol. Also Led Ley > Vivace. Led Ley being completely invincible is just so good. I don't think it's invincible to throws though, but otherwise it's pretty gdlk. Plus you can have Ignis cover you easily while you do it. DP's are nothing before Relius >:3 Disclaimer: I know I'm complaining a lot about Carl, but no, I don't think he's a bad character. I think that some things need to be tweaked so that his attacks are actually useful.

'Cept he ain't DLC no mo' :P Yeah, he was there when Shouichirou(sp?) accidentally created the black beast and was eaten by it. Also, I think he was there in Phase 0 when Terumi and Kazama hadn't merged yet, so he was there before the black beast. (I can't remember the Kazama thing clearly, I remember Relius making him, someone correct me if I'm wrong?) Playing against either Mu or Lambda is always hell for me when I play as Carl, so I'm thinking as Relius, I'm not gonna have such a fun time either lol

Thanks! I was pressing 2D way too early then it seems. Also I'm familiar with Battle Royale, it's at my school like every year lol. I just don't have time since it's always during when my major assignments are due Oh sorry I meant jC>2D>dj2C. Thanks for the help!! I looked at the video tutorial thread which was a great help :P I'll check out the combo thread too. I haven't had the turning around issue so far at least. My biggest problem is D timing, since I can do everything else no problem. I guess what I mean is that it's just hard to always get the timing right. I can do it offline when I practice but in an actual match, even vs the CPU, I can never do even my most simple combos :| I don't mean with just Rachel, I mean with pretty much every character, though with Carl it happens a bit less. Maybe since I'm used to him. I was just saying that I find Rachel to be a lot harder than Carl in general, I think it's because I'm used to pressing and holding D for specific timing but I have to press with Rachel. I have to remember that Wind=Ada lol

Oh yeah that too! How the hell did he survive that O__O I hope his story mode has answers!

Ottawa, aka, Land of NO Arcades. I heard the BB scene is pretty good in Toronto and in Montreal, but no one's ever heard of it here. I don't even think they know anything but MvC and Street Fighter. I've never even had the chance to play anything but SF in an arcade once, but I don't even remember which one it was. OH, ok, that would make sense! I'd thought it was like [w]#C for those dashes, but I didn't ask last time. Also, I'm trying to learn how to do those instant overheads with Rachel, like when you 2D>jb for example, but it's the hardest thing ever. Everyone always says Carl's the hardest character to learn, but I find Rachel's inputs really hard for some reason. Like for example in one of her challenges where you have to jC>2D>djC. I think it's the timing combined with inputs going in opposite directions =\

That doesn't look that bad I guess, kinda wish I could see some more gameplay of him though. Someone let me know if I'm wrong since I don't know any of the Japanese player's names; did a lot of Carl users switch to Relius? Like Carl footage was pretty rare already, but now I get the feeling that a lot of Carl's actually starting playing Relius to try him out. Also, I've been thinking about this and since my interest in BlazBlue is mostly story-driven, I'll main Carl as long as he remains my favourite character personality wise. Relius is cool, but I can't relate to that evilness lol. Also, Shiro is right, that hat is cool :P One more thing...I'm starting to think that Carl may not be human...Like, Relius is over 100 years old and given his personality and stuff, I feel like it would have been really weird for him to have a legitimate wife and kids. I feel like Carl might have been some kind of pet project that Relius got bored of and abandoned. Maybe like a clone or something. Ada and Ignis could've been the same(earlier prime field devices?), but perhaps they were more willing to act on their creator's wishes (to become part of the Nirvana and Fluctus Redactum: Ignis respectfully)? Sorry, I'm replaying the story mode and I'm just trying to kill time til I can play Relius' story and hopefully get some background and him and Carl. I actually think they're the most interesting characters in the game.

Thanks! I'd seen cannon written in some Valk combos too, so I wasn't sure if it was some kind of term for a move or just some kind of method of input.

So I'm replaying CS's story mode and remembered that Relius is the colonel of engineering. I wonder if we'll see more playable characters with more higher ranks in the future. I assume Saya will be playable at one point, so the imperator is certain. I kinda want to see who has the invictus rank, etc. Maybe we'll have even more NOL members in BB3. I find it odd that Relius outranks Hazama since Haz seems to be doing all of the work so far, but maybe it's because he needs to be kept on a leash? I'm also wondering why no one brings up that Relius is over 100 years old...like does no one know, or did they forget? I'm starting to wonder if he's immortal (i.e., unaging, not free of death), or just has an artificial body that he made for himself. Or maybe he's Wolverine capable of regenerating himself quickly, which would explain why he keeps taking near fatal blows and surviving. I have so many questions that I want answered @___@

lol, ok, you got me :P And thanks Tari, I'll have to think about it now since part of me is thinking that there's not much point if I can't read teh true ending Also, what does "cannon" mean with keyboard notation? I've seen it somewhere before where someone writes "____ cannon" but I never got what it meant.

I DO want to play that. It's the first VN I've ever wanted to play. Is it available in English though? I thought it wasn't. =\

loool, liking this guy so much more with every passing day. As for how involved he is with planning, I don't think he's the one planning everything or even actively scheming. Given what we know about his personality, I'd say he's in this because he's just curious. He's probably there because Saya (or someone else) sold him on something that he wanted to see/experiment on. Maybe he was promised to be able to experiment on Phantom or something?. I think I'll like Relius regardless of he does. Unless he pulls an Itachi , though I'm thinking that's pretty unlikely.