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Wait what?! Anything after Mars! You sure its not a CH?

Try: 214ACA > RC > 5CC > 6BC > 214ACB > 2A 5B 2D LVL1 > 5CC > Air

Mars Chopper > Red ! Mark > How much can you get in Midscreen from this?

Yeap, the problem is not in the starter. Its in the fact that Stargazer is slower now so that it only hits crouching opponents; giving a boost to Makoto overhead reward in midscreen: from 1800 ----> 2750 and to her crouching confirms too.

Exactly what I am missing, Speaking of it I read this on JBBS, 6C > 214ACD better be a level 2 on Carl&Hakumen Makoto punches only, she doesn't slap :d But its true, Makoto is down the list. not bad or crippled, just the worse. (Personally I do agree on facts and stuff, but I h8 QQ on them) 2D oki is working even in CS2, but nothing is tight and safe like LA oki.

Is it a good idea to start the Combo thread despite the lack of knowledge in some stuff?

He was like that in CS2, but people didn't notice him untill CSEX. And thats why CSEX Makoto is awesome. Am kinda sad on losing Tsujikawa's Makoto Watching him playing Makoto was so fun too.

Makoto is not bad in EX, but oh god getting a single win with her on netplay is gonna be a mission. I'll call winning with her on netplay as the true definition of outplaying your opponent.

My god the hype, first time I get this hyped over a video (watch it on nico for better FPS) Come on Goro won Tachikawa using the weakest character in the game, where is the hype Thats it am gonna make my Makoto cheering group. Also yeah, if Akira falls to that Combo > Purple Throw > PF then its legit. Edit: Ragna 2B Oki is unbeatable even with PF wavedash.

EX Combos are better, and hopefully we will make it even more fun with some lab work. The fact that this is a new game and we get to do new things makes it better by default lol Makoto is more fun? I haven't tried it yet. But I'd say yes before I even try it because, when you parry your friends CA and then RC to bait his burst then punish him with 2A > ... for just only 2000 and he gives you "fu and your broken 2A into 6K" you realize that CS2 Makoto is not fun anymore -_- Edit: LunaKage I want more Makoto Sketches

Quick and cool matches for MGN's Makoto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMZbaOVHphU&t=3m6s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjT4sCsyEJI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERMOswJjoyg&t=6m46s Loved it<3

Nooooooo, you can nerf everything except the boobies:gonk:... and the tail. Hehe, you can say Makoto combos sucked in CS2 and EX too. So in Combos EX is better since it's much shorter. I mean look, even tho a juggle combo may look cool in CS2, but its just not worth watching a Makoto 15 Sec Combo that only deal 2500! But we lost a lot of interesting stuff: j.D 2366AD, 214AD 446A2D, Dive whiffs, 66214B/C j.C, j.2C, the Vast amount of set ups you can have after a combo like 44 2A 214AB, Aegis Reflector style oki xD, 46 2A 46 2A 46 2A 46, PF burst OS, 5B CH 5/2A confirm, the awesome intial Dash speed (probably one of the most things I will miss) Dash kara cancel dash kara cancel etc... I played 7K Match with CS2 Makoto, and am still up for more. In EX its too early to say this but, I dont think I can play half of this without dying from the boredom Its a stupid Paradox, EX is fun but at the same time CS2 Makoto is more fun too argghh. Oh and Welcome to Makoto Forums Kage <3

Comet have now more recovery so maybe its 5+ on block now instead of 10+, and with the lose of Lightning Arrow knockdown Makoto Oki will never be the same. People with EX Copy, 5B have now more Recovery? come on I really need to know this

In the end. The real winner is the one with the highest swag points.

Didn't notice the gatling. Thx a lot *kiss* But I swear every 6B IB against my friend's haku was a free counter. He is really good so I didn't thought he will miss this

Force crouch maybe because 5CC 6B is no more. But 5CC 6B link is good like this.

Already looked at it, I don't think the way they did it will be suitable for new players. The whole forum should aiming to help the new ppl right? Please ppl help me find a good layout for the thread Hmmm... I've been thinking about it, I dont like the way the match up threads is taking. Instead of forcing a way to play in the match up, lets try just to gather all the vital informations, eg: Mu 6B go over your 2A, IB Hakumen's 6B opens your way to a free punish with 665A etc... and make it open for free discussion. ================================= The rest of this post is gonna be a stupid talk about tiers you have been warned. What the latest japanese tier list say: S: Ragna, Valkenhayn, Hakumen A: Hazama, Taokaka, Bang, Carl, Arakune B+: Relius, Mu, Platinum, Lambda B: Noel, Rachel, Litchi, Jin, Tager C: Tsubaki, Makoto What the jbbs Players say: She have no good match ups, only decent at her best match ups with Tsubaki, Litchi, Noel, Jin. And have a real disadvantage with a big bunch of characters: Mu, Lambda, Ragna, Valkenhayn, Carl, Tager, Hazama, Hakumen, Taokaka. the rest counts as a bad match up for her but nothing to be scared from. Makoto is not hopeless, but she is just outclassed. Why Ragna is bad for her? Simply, he is just a better version of Makoto. Why Platnium isn't good for Makoto? The buff of Platinum's j.C and 5B was just what Platinum needed to beat Makoto. What about Relius? He looks kinda bad for Makoto, but with 5A fuzzy and Relius specific Combos it will be hopefully a fair match up. What do I say?: I dont have the game yet ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) With that said you must remember - that you need to play at a Japanese level for the list to work, I know 99% of Makoto players here doesn't use the Orb oki, PF Combos, neither exploting her Good mix ups, they shouldin't be afraid of anything then xD, unless they are used to faceroll every blockstring into 2C into easy 5K combo or eclipse turn as the only mix up she have... they better pack their bags from now. - while the nerfs might looks a lot, Makoto still retain a lot of things, she was never running like a mad landing 2A easily and confirm it into 4K, her juggles didn't dish out 4K too, it was a mere 2500, 2C and 236AD were leading to 4~5K and they still do in EX. if you did good in CS2, you will still do good in EX don't worry - If you are leaving Makoto in CSEX then you are a tier whore, If you have just started playing Makoto in CSEX then you are a low tier whore. which is okay to be, I just don't want to see everybody leaving his beloved character for a mere tier.

☆Combos☆ = A Starter Combos = [Midscreen] -2A > 5B (6A > 5B) > 5CC > [5D / 214ACCCCC] Basic BnB on standing opponent. -2A > 5B (6A > 5B) > 5C6C > 214AC[A/D] Alternative version of the standing opponent BnB. -2A > 5B > 5CC > [5D LVL2 RC > 3C / 214ACCCCC RC ] 2D > 2C 214ACB > [5CC/5B6A] > j.B > jc j.D 50 Heat Combo -2A > 5B > 5CC > 6B© > 214ACB > 2A [5B6A/5CC] > jc j.B > jc j.D Combo against a crouching opponent midscreen. [Corner] -2A > 5B > 5CC > 5D > 2D > 2C 236AD > 5CC > j.B j.D > [2C > 214AD / 5CC TK DP/ 5CC > jc j.B > jc j.B DP / PF] Stable corner BnB works on everyone. Everybody liking it like this? If so then I will make the combo thread based on this layout, of course after Omni agreement. One more thing... -6BC > 214ACB > 2A > 5CC> 2D3 (as fast as possible LVL3) > 2C > 214AA > Aerial Milesw, Bibiquadium please try this combo. if it doesn' work then try: 5CC > 214ACB starter. if it still doesn't work then try: 2A 5B 6A > instead of 2A > 5CC.

O_O Come on, why no one wants no main her? she always get subbed.

Attention ladies and gentlemen. I want you to vote for Goro to be in GodsGarden Via this link http://godsgarden.jp/gg5/search.php The left button for Approval and the right one for Disapproval, Goro is the 3rd Player. Hurry up guys Goro needs us. Oh and Disapprove all the Carl players on your way please :3 Bonus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAzUyrzdJmQ Rachel vs Makoto 5th Match for Makoto in 2012 and its a lose ~.~

If the Proration Scale is really bad then 2B 6A wont work I guess. -Bunch of Videos- VS Platinum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaJgtdm2f4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZVrmZcIdQ Furry battle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6hjAQi1nVQ&t=8m25s VS Tager http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaJgtdm2f4&t=8m9s Makoto Welcomes the New Year with 4 looses in a raw like a boss, wish you a new salty year Makoto fellas. -Our objective in 2012- -EX Makoto Full Guide (Planing on something like Manta Tager Guide <3) -EX Makoto Combo thread (We can work on it with the Combos we have from kuresu) -EX Makoto Video thread (Already done, will just update it now with any good match I find) -EX Makoto Beginner Help Thread (Optional) -EX Makoto Tutorial Video (Optional) -EX Makoto Gallery and Fan Arts (Optional) -EX Makoto Discussion Thread (Our Chat) I will try to list and sort the Combos for the Combo Thread soon. EDIT: Also we must not forget the Match up threads.

2B untechable time is crappy, put 5B as a bridge between em so you get something like this j.D 2B 5B 6A j.B DP

hmmm... If you can't pick up Jin with 5CC or 5B6A to DP Oki, just 2D him.

I have a lot of intresting stuffs GoroMakoto www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpqlQ_kKPM Best Makoto player of all time, Actually one of the top 10 greatest BB players. Anzu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VILGx_mnIuE Frame Data 2B P1: 80 --> 75 (totally stupid nerf) Particle Flare second punch P2: 100 --> 90 Big Bang Smash Projectile P2: 5 --> 92 j.2C P1: 80 --> 70 (seriously? whats wrong with all these j.2C nerfs? totally unnecessary) Parry Proration still the same? Mars Chopper P1: 75 --> 100 P2: 84 --> 89 (seems legit for the 50 heat waste) Stargazer P1: 75 --> 80 P2: 92 --> 89 Lightning Arrow P1 still the same for both B and C versions, but the P2 for the C version got buffed P2: 60/72/64 --> 89/89/92 (YES, though we need CH to combo) Lunatic Upper P1: 75 --> 80 the P2: still 89 which is great because we will otg with this move from now on, thats why they nerfed Stargazer P2 a little. Community Isa = Platinum Keita = Ragna (He is doing better with Ragna than CS2 Makoto lol) Satoshi = Ragna Tsujikawa = Taokaka Goro = Still Makoto like a boss Yasuda = Planing on switching to Ragna Combos (WORKS ONLY ON: Litchi, Ragna, Noel, Valkenhayn) (WORKS ONLY ON: Ragna, Noel, Valkenhayn, Relius, Lambda, Hazama, Platinum, Litchi, Tager) And once I get my BBEX copy I will try to list everything.

???? http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16452639 BBS causes 3300? also wallbounces midscreen? blasphemy! Ohhhh, they say this happend because the Big Fist hit occured before Makoto Fist causing this weird effect. anyone care to test this out? Also they say 5B have now more recovery, can you guys tell me if its true? if its I will cry.