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Sorry guys, just following orders. Yeah I get that you guys are bummed, but don't you think you're being a little over-dramatic? Even a little bit? Is it REALLY that big a deal that you can't talk casually in this forum anymore? There's always skype, twitter, groups, BB general. Hell there are so many social-networks out there that this really doesn't have to be the end of your BB world. If you guys really want to keep talking about whatever just send me a pm of your skype name and I'll start making a Hazama skype group, so we can stay connected. Otherwise, what's done, is done and this will be the end of this discussion. From here on out, anything non-hazama related will result in an infraction. What do you mean spend 100 heat to get about 4k damage? lol Do you mean off of normal command grab? If so then pretty much. I couldn't tell you exact damage values, but it's not really worth it. If you notice, Hazama players don't just opt to go for houtenjin anymore off of any good hit if they can have a way to combo meterless. Hazama's meterless damage is actually good this game and he doesn't really get his meter back now after using houtenjin. Plus he has more ways to use meter; rapid cancel, new distortion, even using his counter-assault is good now because you don't need houtenjin for damage.

Really? Because it really sounds like that's what you're trying to say. Haku-men has 12k health because he needs it(no wait he doesn't), you can afford to get tagged by a few command grabs. Tao? 9.5k, Valk and Lambda 10k. Sure they're mobile so it's harder for them to get hit by those, but when they do, good bye health. Idk, I just feel like you shouldn't defend your character when he's just so perfect in all aspects. Just because you can't use your counters as much, you still have other reversals to blow up command grabs and you still have 12k health. =V

lol No I'm saying command grabs don't body haku-men free. It's an option that every character has to deal with and you have the luxury of having more defensive options than everyone else. Sure one of your MANY reversals doesn't work as well against command grabs, you have more options than other characters though, so just stop mashing your counters and you'll be good.

lol... That's totally not risky at all, but anyway. I was just talking in general about characters without reversals, but I stopped there cuz I didn't want to list every character.

Okay, so what does a character like Hazama have against a command grab? Or Valk? Or Tao? Amane? Lambda? I mean anyone without a real reversal. If Haku-mens would just stop mashing counters then they could deal with command grabs just like every other character has to deal with command grabs. Just because your character is so well rounded doesn't mean that because one tool isn't as useful in a match-up it makes the match-up hard. Cuz I mean unlike those characters you have a TK reversal, which is an option that a ton of other characters don't have. Besides, it's not like counters become useless in those match-ups. Counters are still mad obnoxious and make people afraid to hit buttons, but just like any reversal you should use them sparingly so you don't get blown up for it. I mean if you're seriously going to continue to say that having more options makes a match-up harder for your character because you just can't stop abusing them, okay. Sure, maybe Bang has an easier time because of that than other characters, but to say it's a counter-pick soley because the character has a command grab? lolnope

Dat implies that you don't have the necessary tools to rock someone mashing command grab. (You do.)

It's not borderline useless when it's an unburstable 2 ~ 3k. It's mostly for closing out rounds. It's just hard to hit with is all. You can burst the combo off of normal command grab, and also I don't think you can get that kind of damage anymore. The P1 is actually now 100 but the combo rating is S. So if you use houtenjin right off the bat you kill so many of your frames waiting for them to fall that you won't really have too many more frames to actually do a damaging combo. In any case, I wouldn't call it useless, but it does have niche uses. Either way, it's another tool for Hazama, so I can't complain.

ALAN I LOVE YOU COME HOME!

Shazam, the reason this thread can't be a 'general' discussion anymore is because it's cluttering the forum. Now, how would a 'social' thread help in that regard? lol I will be making a group for any Hazama players who want to join in the near future. Hazama's new super is a command grab that can only be used in stance. It's not used that often because it's a kind of hard mix-up tool to use. You have to make the guy respect you enough that you stance dash in his face and keep him blocking. I've seen Hazama's do stance dash forward Zaneiga, or dash forward, dash back Rasenga as meaties before, so doing that over and over can definitely condition the opponent to block on wake-up. Plus you have to worry about wake-up options, so eh you don't see it used too much. It definitely is good for surprising the opponent and closing out the round though. In any case, would you guys rather a skype group, or a DL group?

Sorry guys, apparently we're causing too much clutter and this thread can only be used from this point on for game-play discussion.

I came in third tho. =x And surprise it wasn't with Litchi.

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I don't think anyone in this sub-forum will be Terumi mod. Just saying---- Not that I would know better...

Would SKD like to have a word with you. lol I don't actually think Izayoi is bad myself. I don't think she's top, though but she has a lot of stuff. No one is really with it, but when you see a good Izayoi, which is rare they can really rape some face.

I hope you don't mean Haku-Men behind those characters. lol Haku-men is top 2 at least. In general those are the best characters though. More so Haku-men, Hazama, Litchi, Tao, and Jin. Valk and Azreal are probably higher than the rest of the cast, but not as strong as those five.

It looks like he'll have a run. If you notice in the pictures given of him already it looks like he's actually doing a running attack, or an attack that moves him forward. So that's interesting. Either way, I'm actually just going to stick with Hazama, and continue to patiently wait for Kokonoe.

That'd be really boring. The fact that Hazama is in the game twice is cool, but he better have one hell of a completely different playstyle, and I'm sure he will. I'm really looking forward to the game, but we still have to wait half a year for it to come out still so.... shit.

Surprise, I'll be playing both. Haha =p Also, sorry guys, shit out of luck on that Terumi mod spot.

@Crt: No, that shit just whiffed, and Hazama punished it. Double post. Deal with it.

I might actually being going to cali for a week or two near the end of the summer. We'll see, though.

Could have added those in the video thread. lol Alright, though once I start/finish the wiki, I'll get around to updating the video thread.

Went to actually play netplay, and the first room I join I get kicked by some netplay Ragna named Verji. =[ Sad life.

Hazama's jp voice actor sounds more angry, and less playful in the new one. =O !!! I wanna get into dat story mode pretty bad right about now...

I can't add Udon until there are actual videos of him. I am going to add aru, though when I get around to it.