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With the insane damage Axl can do, I don't think he's "mid tier" anymore. (More like high-med again like GGXX) I mean, now he can actually do some decent damage on mid screen with his 5P(2) > 2S(2) > HJC > juggle. (Before, it was just his 4~6S FRC combo in mid screen) And his new bomber loop in corner is just sick. Mix it up with low moves and TK overhead special, and you can easily do like 70~80% HP combo with no tension.

Oh, they made 2D chainable to specials again? (Cause they took that out in Slash, 2D is just 2D and no follow-up) And yeah, Dizzy's fish can attack twice with different inputs inbetween.

lol. Check out Slayer's relaunch combo. Everybody's have a loop in this game.

I think they weren't taking that match seriously. (The Robo Ky vs Robo Ky) But very cool to look at though.

Yeah, I agree that this is probably the best version of May ever. (Horray for May players I guess. I mean, she was always low-tier, low-tier, low-tier, with differcult combos.) Her Vertical Dolphin doing that vaccum really does gives her easy insane damage. And lol for Robo-Ky!

I wonder who will be kaqn's main this time. Both Jam AND HOS are broken tier in this game soo...

Yeah, I also agree that now with all these new vids. Jam is definately top tier. (Back in couple pages back, I said, "I think Jam is more High Med tier") Okay, I'll try to look at more ABA and Pot vids. ---- i heard she doesn't lose her charge unless the kick connects too ---- Yeah, as silly it is, she can cancel her kick (while charged) with the same kick and only the 2nd one will have the charged kick effect, really whack. (e.g. Jam have Ryujin, 236K charged. Jam performs 236K,236K, only the 2nd hit is the charged kick, going for that wall pin for combo starter.)

Hmm, I'm still not seeing what makes ABA Top tier and Potemkin high med tier. (According to G Blood) ABA mostly seems like the same with the exception of her new Forced Back being abusive. And Potemkin... never seen ANYBODY combo his new Pot Buster FRC, never seen them use the "Air Pot Buster" he suppose to have, etc. It's just the same old Pot. The new things I do see is that Heat Knuckle (without Heat Extend) puts the foe KO right in front of him, which is good. And his Slide Head can be comboed into c.K, c.S, Heat Knuckle. (Which is kinda really silly)

I think Arc System is testing this theory of "The game is balanced when everybody is broken" thing. (When you look at Hokuto no Ken and now GGXXAC) Well, in HnK, if you take out Toki, it's "somewhat" balanced cause everyone's broken.

Wow, the more I watch these videos, the more I think this game is broken. Heck, EVERYBODY is broken, it just that some chars are more broken then others. >_> I mean, Baiken does a 65%~75% damage off of a corner Dust Launcher combo with NO tension use?! And the new Axl corner combo does more damage then the previous Axl Bomboer loop back in #R. (There's something WRONG when you see a 50% HP damage off of a GRAB combo in corner with no tension use...) Yeah, they made the Air Axl Bomber a FB, but the new replacement is even more insanely powerful when placed in corner. Anyway, IMO, no move should have ground bounce property when you hit an air-born foe that's not a CH...(Jam's 214K, Axl's new Air Move, Venom's 6H, etc.) They seriously need to fix the damage scaling in the next update... But despite all these things, I personally like it since it feels like a fresh new game with all these changes and additions. (Too bad no new chars or storyline development...)

Gwyrgyn Blood Default Old 01-04-2007, 01:02 PM #1947 YUMMYCAKESRAOHCOMBO Posts: 2,590 Gwyrgyn Blood's Avatar I did a quick average of all of those and it looks like this: S HOS, Eddie, ABA, Jam A Baiken, Testament, Potemkin, RoboKy B Ky, Venom, May, Dizzy, Faust B- Axl, Sol, Millia, Zappa, Slayer, Johnny C I-No, Bridget, Anji, Chipp -------------- I haven't seen enough, but I don't think that's all too accurate, but meh, this is a new game so it's ever changing of the tier list. (For all honestly, I haven't seen a "good" Pot/ABA/RoboKy yet, and no, I don't download EVERYTHING on the post forum.) IMO, Johnny and I-No needs to be a bit higher, Ky should be "slightly" lower, and is Jam THAT good? (Yes, I've seen her stuff. And her FB 236S version is scary along with her Charged 236K, the command jumping fake-out and the H>6H loop, etc. etc.) IMO, Jam is high med, not top. Similar question with Baiken being high med.

Venom's 6HS should NOT ground bounce on regular hit air-born chars... it's too abusive for combos... (I won't mind a CH that ground bounce) And geesh, they figured out Gravedigger loop once again for Testament. Going for "1-hit Gravedigger" (kinda reminds me of 1-Hit Ensenga back in GGXX) and gravedigger rebounce looping. (My gosh, a Grab>6K_6HS>Gravedigger x3~5!?!?) Millia's juggle looks funny with the j.D, Airdash, j.D, Airdash, j.D thing.

I think all of these crazy stuff is mainly cause of the new Forced Back system. They're not used to it and thus they didn't fix the overall damage scaling and create brokeness. I'm not saying get rid of it. Just saying it needs more work.

Man, that's ALOT of Chipp... Anyway, I wonder if any of us USA players be that good with Chipp. (I haven't seen one in that level in my area) I guess players like Shin Kensou can be that good given a couple weeks of practice. (But I never met him)

I think it's more like you can choose which stage to fight now rather then some of these characters moving into another area. (I mean, didn't they added more stages, along with re-doing the old ones?)

Venom gets StingerAim/CarcassRaid Cancel WHAT?! How does HE cancels his Stinger Aim/CarcassRaid?!

Yeah, OTG and sliding are differnt things. So there's two kinds of knockdown now. The regular knockdown, and sliding knockdown. The Sliding one can be comboed to if you pick them up quickly enough. Yeah, I'm calling it the new OTG or something since it's like a 2nd variation of knockdown.

Actually, if I'm correct, the new OTG system is the sliding. Johnny's coin loop is because Johnny's Mid LV 2 mist finer (236K) does sliding. So if it's on corner, he can "pick them up" with the coin and then do H,236K for the loop. Similar thing with May's Jackhound to pick up the foe from the ground. This is just from watching. I might be wrong.

Boo at the Pot vids in maturundesu.web.fc2.com. The player DID do Pot Buster FRC, but didn't follow it up. Overall, not seeing how "insanely powerful" Potemkin really is that I keep hearing about.

http://maturundesu.web.fc2.com/movie.htm Umm, I'm getting a page not found... and I wanted to see this Pot Buster FRC too. (To confirm if it's broken or not damage wise)

So now you can VT loop without being on corner or RC. Yay. And I wanna see more abusive ways for 6HS loop. (Not the way the fid did it. It started with 2K and used Sacred Edge. That killed the overall damage of the 6HS loop) I don't know, something like close.S, Sweep, Forced Back projectile, 6HS loop?

I agree with you Titanium Beast. From what I've seen, HOS is at least High-Med tier. Reminds me of Mist Cancels back in GGX and GGXX of Johnny. (Before it got toned down)

HOS seems to have gotten nothing BUT improvement. His manual Charge is actually USEFUL (i.e. charge cancel) faster charge and recovery, better far.S and j.S. (Good range, thank god) better Ground Grab. (The wall pin thing have better juggle set-ups) better Gunblaze. (HUGE fireball!) Man, I like his overall improvement so far. But still, not in "top-tier" or "broken" level IMO.

I like Ky having HS Stun Edge FRC point. And is Ky's new Force Back even good. (The ground version) IMO, his CSE FRC seems way better.

Sliding isn't too bad. It IS comboable and can be a potential launcher. (Of course, you gotta be running) It seems ABA's 3x Messhou can be a launcher but not sure about other chars Sliding moves. And I'm glad that her 623H of Slash turned into a Forced Back. That move was WAY too abusive in Slash. Now it cost 25% tension, so less abuse, somewhat.