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Something in the corner I got bored and decided to try: 2B(m) > 4B(m) > 6B(m) > Itsuu~C > j.B > JC > j.B > j.C > j.5D > j.C > Staff 2 |> Kanchan > 6D(1) > Tsubame > 6C(1) > Thirteen Orphans. Does about 4k. It just looks really cool.

I really feel like Marvin/Darell don't tell me anything because they don't want me there. xD

You guys are coming to Tucson? What's the occasion?

Is the current Orochi invulnerable on startup? If so, that sounds like a reversal proof mixup option, whereas 5C/6C RC can be DPd. Seems like a fair trade.

omg, I-No's face.

This still seems in your favor, I don't know why it's a problem. Even if you lost corner, you gain the opportunity to pressure, which is hilarious given 6B. Sounds fine.

Are you punishable if they neutral tech? And can you still force them to block a meaty if they roll? Or are you still negative on rolls?

Her 50/50 isn't ambiguous. This new option looks much more ambiguous.

While we're talking about shitty games, definitely gonna play Dangeki Bunko now: Basketball Loli is so hype. Dunking niggas fo' real now.

So loose. But yeah, you should be happy that you have a true 50/50 with as high as damage as that for only 50 meter on a character who builds that in half a combo.

I think the setup would require more testing, then. Think we should wait?

Have you tested these setups against the cast? I've noticed variable timings for the 22B > 3C routes, and I fear that might be the same with these.

I wanna go so badly. D=

Considering that it's Terumi, the idea that he has an ambiguous mixup that gives him anything other than guaranteed damage upon landing it (can't be bursted) is absurd. He already has extremely high damage off proper confirms and builds meter like nobody's business when he lands a hit that requiring 50 meter to have an ambiguous mixup, and then requiring another 50 meter to make it safe if it's properly guessed isn't an issue. If it hits and you don't get damage or oki off it without another 50 meter? That sounds like what they intend, given the character. You SHOULD spend 100 meter to land that mixup and to get additional damage. Think of his character design and how he's meant to play. If he got free damage and oki off 50 meter, or if he could pressure freely afterward, that's how we get characters like CS1 Litchi. You should be glad that it isn't unsafe, rather that it's just - on block. Any other character, I'd say the super is trash because no one builds 50 meter by the time they do their first basic bnb. EDIT: Consider it like Super > RC on block > j.2D/2B/command throw mixups. Damage is damage. Sounds like May 5D/5[D].

Sounds like too much work, considering her damage is going down now. The chances of having 50 meter in the corner with an optimal hit when the opponent doesn't have a burst OR doesn't have 50 meter AND is a character that can super out of it isn't worth it to me. I'd rather go for infinite blockstring since that might be unchanged, and then go into either 2B/6B from 5A > 5A during the string, or put in a surprise CT. I'd say blackhole setups in the corner can be optimized instead for blockstrings after a confirmed block. Something along the lines of: 22B > 214A > 5A > 5A > 2B > 5C > 2C > blackhole With this at least, I can confirm if they've been hit by anything prior and I can save my meter for CA/Super Ball/CT/6B rapid mixups, because god knows we don't have mixups now. Nice setups, but I wonder if the effort is worth the payout/situational properties of the setup. The throw one is nice, and so it's good to learn that one. =P

Now you guys are completely negating the mechanics of the character and comparing them to everyone else. =P

You guys won't have to worry about it anymore. She got neutered harder than my cat.

She'll be delegated to a Neutral character, then, as her zoning will probably lose to the other zoners hands down. The only way I was able to get in on Nu/Mu was (outside of just running at their face) using 6D/9D 236D (watch for hit or CH) 22C in. Her zoning tools aren't exactly the best, but they are indeed good when augmented by her normals. That being said, her combo rate dropping 10% actually hurts her overall damage across the board by 12.5%. Considering a lot of my hitconfirms outside of strong starters were already in the 1700-2100, new damage will be about 1500-1900. Now that we've lost mixups, her max damage plummets and she'll have to rely on landing strong normals at neutral (lol at that idea), landing a 22B at neutral (still mediocre damage), or landing a stagger during a string. She'll probably end up mid tier, but I'm just upset they didn't just tone down her damage + remove black hole, as everything else was fine (IOH was 19f startup, same as Jin and also required meter/setup to combo from/6B being 26f startup; mash it/DP it) Or if they wanted a zoning character, keep her damage the same, keep graviton hitbox on activate, and just remove her mixups. Hitting everything at once might make her Terumi tier.

Seriously, though. Although Azrael "has a hard time getting in" I find this is a silly argument. Why go in when you can Growler and be 100% safe full screen if you absorb a projectile? Against zoners, considering Growler is considered a DP, you can use it on reaction to full screen projectiles. Then just laugh as you punish them with Phalanx Cannon. They want to approach? You have ridiculous normals and it's a bad idea. Mid range? Gustav, which is plus on block. Why is it so hard to get in if he has a dash (that tracks) that is + on block? Not to mention his really good defensive options, his high damage, and his great normals. Do you know who has a hard time getting in? Makoto, Terumi, etc... but you don't see them with such good frame advantage, damage, pressure, mixups, defensive options, or a full screen reversal that absorbs projectiles, 100% safely. He obviously needed buffs. :v

Oh, I do play Makoto. :v Those seem pretty okay, but we'll have to see the extent of the changes to j.2C first. I think my biggest issue is none of these are "safe"; the entire reason I played her in the first place. Having a character that forces respect is extremely nice in this game, considering how much mashing people do. She still is even now vulnerable to DPs while doing mixups, but those new mixups suggested are even more unsafe is the problem. While now her mixups lose to DPs, it seems they'll lose to pokes in the patch now as well.

It works even now, the problem with that is it opens her up to DPs and anti-airs, because they're amazing in this game. Lightning isn't as good as Chie 2D, unfortunately. =/

Can you think of anything outside of raw 6B with lightning oki?

What I'm guessing is that we have 0 mixups at all, so our setups aren't scary. We lose some oki and pressure midscreen, and even some pressure in the corner. We lost damage (not much). And zoning matchups will be hard as hell without graviton activate. I'm guessing she'll be a struggle.

I saw LK tweeted that it's +24. Not sure if this is accurate, though.

I want to go to SCR, but money. D= I have a free place to stay there, but I just don't have money to go there. xD