greatfernman

then it's not really being in neutral state is it. it's just like what somebody else said a few posts ago, making burst an exception

Then you won't be able to yrc when the opponent is mid attack.

Idk about Shana, but the other two you listed can only be done out of blockstun so regular overdrive in neutral is actually more like that, not gcod

They're all projectiles

Also according to kedakos data on trigger it's only invul from frame 3, and invul runs out one frame before you gain back movement, so if you blitz a projectile you can presumably be meatied for a punish. This is from memory though I may be wrong

No crouching bs only counters lows and mids, standing counters highs and mids jumping counters all. Sourenga translated it incorrectly, 上 is mid ・中 is high・下 is low

Kedako's data has more frame data on blitz shield if you're interested. Can't link it right now though, but it shouldn't be too hard to find.

people are doing 6B instead of 5C, presumably it does more damage. and they do growler to make it burst safe love phantom is the song by B'z that was the background track for the original video http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19916599

My point is that the wording is probably right and I'm probably reading it wrong. And so I wanted input so I can fully understand how the recovery works.

Uhh I was specifically talking about 6ps but ok

um, i'm pretty sure every character in +R has frame one upper body or above-knees invul (except kliff, he's frame 1 above chest invul)

it's not the same as j.D recovery because the j.D recovery are all phrased differently. the only recovery notes that have the same phrasing are aerial ride the lightning and wall genyouzan (the antiair throw)

every character's 6P is frame 1 upper body or above-knee invul

the frame data says "recovery until landing and 6 frames landing recovery/ 6 frames landing recovery" whatever that means. for fast shuriken it says "16 frames total/ 3 frames landing recovery" seems to me to mean that you have no actions until landing, though clearly that isnt the case? so i have no idea how to interpret the data

the frame data still shows slow shuriken as 6 frames landing recovery, but as i posted before: how did that happen. can slow shuriken be cancelled into specials before landing? what?

they increased the amount the white cloth covers too, hopefully this is just the cover and not in-game. if it's in-game i could see ram maybe getting censored as well (maybe even i-no? god forbid). Collapsed: JP vs NA covers:

I have played xrd in arcades , but not nearly enough to pass judgement on anything. However I am fairly certain that it is really not just her j.p and her supers that make her good. You seem to be completely failing to understand the point I'm making (i'm not disagreeing that j. P and her supers are strong). You also really should get off your high horse. Just because you play the game doesn't make you an expert either. Yes you may have more insight (though even then it's not guaranteed), no that doesn't invalidate what other people say. (i'm not saying I understand the game better than you btw in case you misunderstand this as well) Anyway perhaps I'm completely wrong and her setplay and damage don't make her strong and its just her j. P and supers. Whatever I'm going to sleep

You're missing the point I'm making. If she didn't have strong setplay or high damage her getting momentum is not as much of a threat. And I wasn't invalidating what you were saying, I was saying that it's simplifying it too much to say that she's strong just because of "her j.P and her supers" (granted toranshi is stupid).

first of all, there's no need to be so antagonistic straight off the bat. second of all, when ram just came out, like a few weeks in i think (not so sure about the exact timing), ogawa had an interview where he said he thinks ramlethal is good and probably A tier but he wasn't entirely certain she was that good. or something along those lines it was a while back i don't remember his exact words, but i do recall reading this interview that's what he was referring to i assume it's not like her j.P and supers alone make her as strong as she is, she also has strong setplay and high damage and retarded corner carry as well.

iirc elphelt is an early purchase bonus. i think it was first week free, but maybe it's done via code like terumi idk edit: yeah ok according to http://www.famitsu.com/news/201409/11060880.html it's a product code

try select?

Invul change does make a difference, projectiles can pass through growler during the invul period, leaving him just standing there growlering. What dogura did there was a hard burst bait, growler wouldn't have even hit the Jin, he read the burst and growlered way in advance, and did it too far away to actually hit with growler active, which is why I said it could be done in 1.1. I understand that the growler valiant is burst safe, but I felt that it wasn't demonstrated in the video there.

that would be because growler projectile guardpoint now is frame 1 with the loss of full invul and it's startup was reduced, you could always growler mid valiant if you wanted but it wasn't as good. nowhere in that valiant did a move wallstick, which is the change he put in the parentheses

that burst bait had nothing to do with wallstick what are you talking about by the by, azrael 2D is +2 https://twitter.com/mocchi_goa/status/522013502169313280

that's leo on the ps4 cover though, between ky and elphelt. whatever that means EDIT: OOPS TOO SLOW