Icekin

Oh my god, how do you play this fucking character without getting 421 by accident ALL THE TIME. Every time I'm blocking low and want to do 2a or 214A/B or anything of that sort, game just goes Enjoy your 421!

Besides Hyde's 7K off something he'll never get, it's not that much more damage. You need vorpal and at least 100 meter for it. You can already get 4K on most characters for that cost, depending on starter.

Personally, I find the concept of varying health between characters somewhat unnecessary. There's some exceptions; Carmine uses up health to use moves so he has a bit more than average. Akatsuki has trouble getting in so he's a little more durable since he'll likely eat damage trying to make headway. But most of the time it feels like a completely arbitrary value just for flavor's sake. What's the justification for Eltnum having 100 less health than Hyde/Linne/Nanase/Byakuya? Why does Vatista have 100 more than those? Why does Gordeau need a thousand more than them? Orie has 9450 instead of the average 9500. This 50 less is needed because...? Yuzu needs 9800 instead of 9,500 or 10,000 because...? Damage values can be harder to fix because of unexpected combo paths and loops, but health is a pretty straightforward thing.

Reading JP twitters, I'm seeing some mentions of her being a strong character, but I don't know if that's because they buffed her but no one's giving details, or if it's first impressions from arcade players who don't know how to deal with her. So far, this loketest has been crushing disappointment for Nanase players.

I haven't seen footage of it, but I don't see how a charged j.2C will help that much. If she can immitate yuzu's j.2C charge fakeout mixup, that's something. Otherwise, as far as combos go, it's irrelevant. Unless it ties in with other changes to her? :3 I can see it now. Every single match ever post-update: 1st clause, Divide! *DIVINE THRUST* What happens if the first hit is a trade?

Ooooh, IC. I see.

A what now? IC?

Oh hey I forgot one :3 Is it the 22nd yet?

105 pages long, someone probably already said this (in fact, it might have been me), but good players who should know better intentionally doing netplay shit. Wakeup 2A, wakeup random ass special with 11 frames startup, mashing buttons when you're minus a million. Really? I mean, for a new player, fine. He doesn't know better, he's confused, whatever. But some people are clearly past that point, but hey it's two bars so let's push buttons! I guess it's my fault in the end. I could just stick to 3-4 bars and bear the wait, but sometimes I'll forget how dumb it gets below that, and give it another shot. Fool me once, etc.

And with an update to UNIEL coming soon, everyone's gonna get back into it, right? R-Right guys?

Yaaaaay :D

I beat lvl 5 once in a game he hadn't played in months and couldn't remember the inputs of.

Le thread générale pour annotation debate

so 66C > 214A What's the difference between the annotations then? I've seen both used in the same combos, which is why I was confused.

Uh...yeah, that. Totally.

Looks to be a downward spike air normal to stop people dashing in for free just because you're in the air. Air Skewer does not cover a lot of ground, and divekick has the nasty problem of putting you right next to them, which is exactly where you don't want to be. Might be pretty good.

That's great and all, but when's Xnd:-cosign-? The new chick is pretty bland, I find. But hey, balance changes? Fuck yeah, son!

Did you know that Nanase's hitboxes are garbage? Of course you did. How bad is it though? 3C: http://i.imgur.com/P8bjVcQ.jpg - What a great anti-air! 2C: http://i.imgur.com/qC956TW.jpg - Well...at least you tried. 5C: http://i.imgur.com/IGSCpgW.jpg - Her sword is taller than she is. How is it not reaching? 6A: http://i.imgur.com/qEo6X1H.jpg - Active frames, what's that? 214C: http://i.imgur.com/PndFs7W.jpg - At least his coat flapping in the wind makes sense now. 236C: http://i.imgur.com/5oSvAbG.jpg - What are his boots made out of?! 623B: http://i.imgur.com/iqGpGfQ.jpg - Look at how close this guy is. Surely he's in DP range, right? http://i.imgur.com/FDR9UVJ.jpg - "Is this bitch serious?" -Gordeau, probably j.5C: http://i.imgur.com/PEaOq62.jpg - Reminder; still wielding a sword longer than her entire body. j.236A: http://i.imgur.com/1Nc29x8.jpg - What a great projectile. Well, maybe it's just Gordeau's hurtbox. I'm sure it's the same for other characters. http://i.imgur.com/WEg6Jke.jpg Oh. http://i.imgur.com/ZMM7bj7.jpg Oh no. http://i.imgur.com/hylDlWv.jpg Ooooh....

Je peut tu me faire un deck Azrael, ou tu joue toute les cartes que tu veux en t'en calissant de ce que l'autre fais pi tu gagne anyways?

Woo matchups~ -Akatsuki- Usual problems for Akatsuki. Nanase can keep him out somewhat effectively with projectiles, and her melee outranges his. j.236B goes under his projectile, so he has to deal with it. He can't easily punish 236B-6C, and has no button to easily reach Nanase after FF j.236A at 5C range. Even if he gets in on you, he still has to watch for the DP. But so do you if you get in. Nanase's easy side switching means if he ever gets hit or even blocks something, you're out of the corner and it's back to step one. -Chaos- He has no reversal to deal with Nanase's pressure and mixup, no reliable anti-air and somehow less damage than her. On top of that, Nanase can get in front of her j.236B projectile and shield block a possible 6C, making the projectile go through and hit Chaos, so he can't even reject it safely. Not a fun match for him. Ahzi does make staying back throwing projectiles a bit of a pain, but it's not impossible to deal with. Stagger pressure is a problem, as it's very hard to shield -> DP at the right time with Ahzi and Chaos alternating hits. -Merkava- The worst range to be at against Merkava is about where the match starts; just at his 5B tip. Nothing you have will reach him there, and he can do whatever he wants. Closer than that, you're good to go. Further than that, there's not much he can do. j.236B is kind of a non-issue for him, since he will just take flight. If you do throw it out, TK it or he will 214A on reaction and hit you in landing recovery. He can't throw out random 214A's however since Nanase can punish it on block with 236C. The range at which she can depends on shield blocking or not, but it's generally very unsafe for him to do. Nanase's 214C, 623C and IW will all hit him out of the sky if he's flying, so he needs distance to be safe, and if he flies in from too far, you can 3C or DP it on reaction. He has very telegraphed and slow overheads, so his mixup is not difficult to deal with. His great height and large hurtbox also means it's extremely easy to run float triple overheads and crossups on him. He has no meterless reversal so on block you can go wild on him until he does have meter, and even then his reversal will trade with anything meaty, never in his favour. Overall, an intensely spacing heavy match. -Seth- His run speed is a problem for j.236B if you don't TK it, since he can dash under and hit you on landing. Nanase has better range, similar damage, and even a somewhat similar projectile game. He has to be careful with crossup teleports since she has a DP and 214C covers a gigantic area. He also can't stay in the air too recklessly as, again, 214C or 623C will get him. This works especially well if he tries to do air crossups in the corner, as he'll always be in range of both and whichever side he's on is irrelevant. No reversal without meter means free reign to run mixups until he does. His reversal doesn't have very good vertical reach though, so you can run 214's or j.236B to bait it. If he has CS, be especially wary of it, since he gets solid damage off of it. Seth players tend to be very antsy, I find. -Orie- Thank god Divine Thrust has a hurtbox on it. j.236B will beat it clean every time. Ories tend to try to jump over it and either air persona or assault + j.C. It's hard to challenge her when she does, but also predictable and easily dealt with with shield. jump back j.236A is also solid at stopping her air approaches. No invincible reversals without meter, but a great anti-air. Make sure to time your oki properly, and play it safer when she has meter. She can punish 236B-6C on block, but either with a risky read or low reward without spending meter, so it's not too bad to throw out, especially if she likes to 22A/B (I forgot the difference). Speaking of that, unless it's done as meaty oki on knockdown, do not block 22C when it comes out. It's way slower on startup than it looks, and you can just dash forward out or 236B out for free. She's very likely to dash forward after throwing it out, and 236B will scoop her up. Her 214 has gaps in between, but Nanase's DP won't reach her then. IW will though. Keep that in mind when you have full meter. If she doesn't have CS, the only thing to look out for is 6B. Nothing else in her arsenal is scary. When she does have CS, start expecting Diving Thrust after a blocked mixup, and start blocking high in neutral, that assault j.A is coming. She's way scarier with Vorpal, try as best you can to win that GRD war or GRD break her. -Byakuya- The good news is that Byakuya doesn't have any invincible moves, even WITH meter, aside from system mechanics. If you get him blocking in the corner, he's in huge trouble. The bad news is he likes to hang out outside of 623B range while doing mixups, so until you have meter, you're just as boned. When you get him there, abuse j.236B oki in the corner, and run safe mixups all day .Do NOT use 236A-6B unless you have CS or meter. Even then, wait until he's GRD broken so he doesn't shield it. If you lose momentum, he will reverse the situation in a flash. his j.2[C] is so large that 623B won't beat it unless you time it really well. If you have meter, 623C or Veil Off it. If not, shield block it to make it more or less neutral. Never ever try to 214C it, it won't work. You CAN 214C him when he tries to set up webs though. He should never feel safe laying down webs when you have meter. 623B won't reach him if he's above you doing web and jump attacks shenanigans, but 623C will. Overall, a pretty even matchup. -Yuzuriha- Patience: the matchup. Yuzu has no mixup to speak of, her 5A reset is obvious, her pressure is nothing impressive. She just has nothing you should fear. However, she can test your patience and keep you out all day with Battou, and if you get tagged by one, she gets huge damage off of it, which leads to a life lead, and then her lack of offense doesn't matter because you're the one who has to risk getting in. Remember that you're playing UNIEL and not Blazblue; blocking is really strong here. You're never gonna get guard crushed, chip damage is negligible, and CS is amazing. Keep (shield)blocking and slowly make your way towards her. Once she's in your range, you'll still have to deal with her counter, but it's not a scary move in general for Nanase. Unfortunately Yuzu likes to hang out outside your DP range pretty much at all times except if she assaults, so it's not something she has to worry about much either. Don't throw out 236B's in neutral, never j.236B in Battou range, and never assault to cover distance. Play it very safe. -Hilda- It's Hilda. What is there to say? Until you get in on her, the character you're playing doesn't really matter (unless it's Linne or Seth). The only option you have at range that she has to worry about is 236C, and the only time you can really hit her with it is if she tries to use the slow back spike. Don't try to 236B through her moves, a good Hilda won't let you. One thing you do have once closer to her is air control; Hilda has no moves that hit above her, and can't really do anything about you if you're over her. Float is very useful for this. j.236B is strong once you've closed the gap since she has to just block it on oki or during pressure, but it's worthless at range. Make it count if you get in, run safe mixups and meaty oki, because just one escape is all she needs to turn the match back to her personal playground. -Vatista- Another matchup where your air projectiles are useless outside of corner oki. Similar to Yuzu, dash blocking is the way to go while collecting GRD. The sky is a dangerous place to be here, in between her godlike flashkick and crystals being air unblockable. The one thing you do have going for you is that since she needs to hold down to DP, blocking high means she can't use it right afterwards, and Nanase is pretty good at chaining overheads with float. If you shield block her j.C, her mixup becomes unimpressive. Even if you don't, there's always a DPable gap when she uses 82B or 2C after j.C, and if she lands and does 2a, it's tight. Her damage is absurd though. She only needs like three good reads to end you, while Nanase has to put in more work. Not an impossible matchup, but not in your favor. -Gordeau- He's top tier for a reason, and all those reasons apply here: he outdamages and outranges you while getting bigger rewards for less risk, all the while running a scarier and safer mixup thanks to Assimilation and 22A. Thankfully he has two things to worry about. First, his pressure leaves small gaps if you shield his hits, as do both his grab and overhead without, so your DP is an issue for him (unfortunately, if he Assimilations your shield, you're done with that). Second, he has no meterless reversal, so he's forced to deal with your pressure and mixup if he gets knocked down. These are your only advantages here so make them count. Once he has meter, if he does wakeup super and you can't tell them apart fast enough, remember that Veil Off beats both EX Grim Reaper and EX Assimilation. At range, you have to be wary of Mortal Slide, and Grim Reaper makes approaching from the air or throwing out j.236A risky. Only put down a j.236B for corner oki or at fullscreen range. -Carmine- Whoever blocks first loses, and that's probably you. Carmine's normals outrange and are faster than Nanase's, so he can mash out of midscreen pressure very effectively, and for huge rewards. Thanks to his traps, his mixup and pressure is amazingly strong, and he doesn't really have to worry about your DP. Blocking correctly and shielding doesn't seem like it helps much because he just keeps going on and on and on, but he's losing life and GRD while doing so. It's little comfort when he finally tags you and deals 4.5k, but hey, it's something. j.236B and j.236A are not very useful because of his 6B and puddles, and his air melee will beat yours. Your one saving grace is that his only defense is EX command grab, so not only do you have nothing to worry about when he has no meter, but even with meter, j.236B oki will force him to block on wakeup in the corner. A matchup that can easily feel unwinnable if you never get an offense going, but it's not as bad as it looks. -Hyde- Hyde is a painful matchup to play because he feels so similar to Nanase, but better in almost every way. His moves slightly outrange yours, he has way better damage, safer pokes, stronger pressure, etc. You both fight each other almost the same way, but he needs fewer guesses to win, with odds stacked in his favor. The only thing Nanase has over him is a better mixup; Hyde will keep you blocking longer without risk, and you will explode if you push a button, but he's easy to just block and farm GRD off of. Another matchup that asks if you remember that you're indeed playing UNIEL and have the right mindset. While your mixup is stronger than his, he has an amazing DP to deal with it. His 6B is a nightmare, and he can tag you from afar with rekkas if you get predictable with FF j.236A during pressure. Not an encouraging matchup. -Eltnum- Imagine Orie with better damage and range, and a fullscreen super that kill your projectile options. You cannot use j.236B against her within a surprising range, as she'll react and catch you on landing with her whip. Once again a solid DP that puts a hamper on your pressure, and a high/low/stagger mixup just as good as yours, except safer and stronger. Since she doesn't have a projectile (sort of, her gun is more of a poke than a bullet), j.236A and j.236B (if you can get one off) are solid tools, as is 236B. While her ground C normals shit all over yours, her air normals aren't that great. One huge problem is her beam super. As soon as she has 100 meter, you just cannot use j.236B at all outside of corner oki, or she will shoot you right out of the sky and combo for depressing damage. You can always try to bait it with air assault + float block. -Linne- Just kill me now. Linne has better range than Nanase, better damage, a mixup just as strong as her, better corner carry...list goes on. She can spend meter on EX Kuuga in a similar way that you do with 214C when making unsafe moves safe, except hers is way stronger on hit or block. Her quick dash makes it so jump projectiles are risky to throw out as she'll run right past you and punish the landing. Her DP works wonders on you, and even the A version is a great anti-air that combos for solid damage. Add in her FF counter OS and it makes mixing up her a dangerous game. All of this, while pretty bad, wouldn't be an absolute nightmare if it wasn't for the entire cherry tree plantation dropped on the already oversized cake; TK Kuuga neuters every single option Nanase has in neutral and on defence. It'll beat your air projectiles, it'll stop any approach you try. It's completely safe for her to throw out and combos on counterhit. On top of that, she can just throw out an EX Kuuga right after. If you blocked it in the air, she'll guard break you. If you blocked it on the ground, she's free to close the gap and run mixups. If you got hit, she's got plenty of time to confirm into a combo. If it whiffs, it's completely safe. Once you're in the corner, she can stand outside DP range and throw out Kuugas until she's bored of winning, while you ponder over the wonderful options other characters would have in this situation. It's like the projectile version of Mortal Slide; no risk, big reward. Neutral is hell here. If 2367A was an input that was possible to do reliably, you'd have a great tool to deal with her with backwards TK j.236A. Unfortunately we are only human.

What do you guys feel are Nanase's best and worst matchups? Which character do you have trouble against, and which are easier to deal with? IMO: Best - Akatsuki, Chaos. Pretty good - Merkava, Seth, Orie, Byakuya, Yuzuriha Average - Hilda, Vatista, Gordeau, Carmine Bad - Hyde, Eltnum Worst - Linne Waldstein is an unknown for me, since no one in my area plays him. I would assume it's probably bad, in theory I see no reason why Waldstein would struggle with Nanase, but I can't say for sure. I'll write something more in-depth tomorrow.

I might go, it looks interesti- Shit event waste of time 0/10 would not attend

Fun Fact: You can use 5C 214AA as a combo ender rather than 2C 214AA. If you already ground slammed twice, 2C 214AA won't let you chain a super. there's alternatives like 236A-6A, but it won't hurt as much. with 5C 214AA, you can combo 623C before they hit the ground. You just need a slight delay after 214A. to ensure they get high enough Doing this will change side as well, so you'll have to input it backwards. This is also useful if for example you combo'd into 236B and switched sides when you didn't want to; end in 5C 214AA to return to your original position. Options! And more reason to never use FF in a combo.

I have plenty of room to host at my place, and I'd be happy to have people over if you want to play. But I'm in longueuil, so it would be even more public transport for you MTL dudes. Even with the bus that goes straight from the metro to here, that's a bit of travel.