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yea it has happened to me as well. on the other hand, you can use 421B to autoguard the entire ice wave super. I don't think you even take any tick damage, lol. I've started using 421B to block the last hit of noel's air super to block the missle hit and get some nice meter build I see we have a "matchup" forum now. do you think you could move the current matchup discussion threads there?

you shouldn't assume that all Jin players are idiots -_-

more like jump A spam > Tager's backdash and everything else

I think this is the wrong character for that

what pisses me off about 2A is that even if it air CHs them the 5C followup misses half the time because of height. it makes me ARGH and jin's jB certainly hits below him, see my comments about it being instant overhead

except that A doesn't combo to 2B unless it's crouch hit iirc. sometimes I do 5C 236A236A RC > 5C 623C blah

Osuna: no idea, feel free to make a topic for it. Church: throws CANCEL to specials. do the special way before you think it will let you

Ragna is jumping at me spamming jA like a whore and it beats backdash/my air moves (unless I'm out of range and do jD or something)/5C/5D etc help

you can cancel the grab to 623C or 236B regardless of front or back throw into the same combo(s)

then why don't you post in the tager vs hakumen thread?

well I'm using ragna as a secondary since last night actually but yeah I dunno I just found tager the most appealing

a smart Jin player isn't going to be doing ice car much against Tager also...after testing again...jin jB IS an instant overhead but he cannot forward jump into it normally. he must jump straight up or do a dash jump into jB at the correct range to instant overhead tager with his jB

oh...didn't realize that meant press A and B at same time. if it was jA+B I wouldn't have gotten confused

I can't get the jC to come out after the jB. if I do that I get 5C because I've landed (though it combos). I have no idea how you'd do two jBs in the same combo

apparently the shortcut works for the 720. you can get it like this (looking at the inputs on training mode) 6321478 (first "360") then 632148 (yeah I skipped the 7, though you can replace the 4 with a 7 here) will get you a 720 you probably only need 6 inputs per "360" provided they cover the ones necessary

Mike Z: the j2C2B connects but the 2C still misses against carl, hakumen etc (unless I'm failing miserably which is always possible)

I've been DPed out of the electric super quite a few times by Ragna. Obviously blocking it is better though.

I tested the basic air throw combo(s) on all the characters and edited into the post. and yeah I dunno. Tager gets like 2 or 3 times as much damage off his normal throw as off his air throw for some reason. if you try it you'll see it does terrible damage even if you burn all your super meter on an air throw combo decided to look into air throw combos since I started using it yesterday as "anti-air" of sorts. obviously I'm pretty desperate . 5D is actually an ok anti air if you've got them magnetized

Sorry if this was posted but I didn't see an air throw combo posted yet. Apparently the air throw has terrible damage scaling so I'd advise not burning your shot or supers comboing from it. air throw > land 2B2C 623C > walk 6C5D (confirmed vs jin/ragna/v13/arakune/noel/tager/litchi) vs taokaka the 5D ender misses. do 2D or walk 6C 623C if you feel pr0 vs haku the 2C misses. you can do 2B5B shot if you want or just 2B shot... vs Carl/Bang/Rachel you can't even do 2B5B much less 2B2C. you can do 2B shot if you are desperate on him but he'll be so high up that you can't connect anything other than a jump attack or a super (which will do miserable damage)

jD may be helpful because of the range

not according to the wiki!! http://dustloop.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Tager I certainly had nothing to do with this

it's the two slowest characters in the game, what do you expect? lol

supposedly this is tager's best matchup at about 5-5 (depending who you ask)

I landed 720 today off a blocked 5C. pro which reminds me, it seems like only A and B moves can cancel into his command grabs. is this really the case?

DBL POAST because I think this match is good for reference mikeZ tager vs goryus v13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Dwd9n7-fU notice mikeZ will sometimes go for a superjump C after landing 623C in order to keep close to v13 rather than going for the standard 6C followup. seems like a smart idea (and he even lands a sweet 720 cause of it)