MaximusMurkimus

This thread has "rules" because people were a little too vocal about their frustration on CF now having a dub. And over a year later, I feel that's still a valid one. CTB having a dub is nice but really all that benefits from is the UNIB characters. Everyone else we already know what they're like in-battle so the only new thing will be character interactions and story mode. Hopefully this is a sign of them dubbing a future version of CF, because that's now the odd one out.

Seriously. I'm glad that CTB got a dub but it's a small comfort when CF's the one people really wanted it for.

Grr, why did they randomly push back the Material Collection date? And yeah, I have no idea how Mai got that much cover real estate and Izanami is nowhere to be seen.

Welp, this game went from a day one buy to PlayStation Store flash sale status with this recent news. No dub either, fricking figures. No amount of effort in recreating some sprites can justify the copious amounts of DLC from a game that still isn’t coming out for about half a year. Worst of all is that they’re apparently withholding the DLC character info until EVO. Right, because that totally rejuvenated Central Fiction. Hope dataminers crack that wide open and force them to say sooner. This didn’t work years ago with SF x T and idk why ASW thinks a little recent success means they can take risks like this. Hopefully they’re just putting all this out there to see if anyone will bite, because at the current point in time I have no idea who this game is supposed to appeal to. Mori said a “Western audience”, guess that translates to loads of DLC and eSports appeal, ugh. I’m glad I got a co-sign from one of my favorite voice actors ever the other day (Mark Hamill), because this news would’ve probably killed my vibe. On the bright side, Dissidia Final Fantasy NT is weeks away...

Did any of you rippers happen to run across a higher resolution image of these full body artworks of Izanami? I got the first one from the promotional trailer for act 2 and was wondering if they used it anywhere in the game where it could be ripped.

I remember seeing this full-body shot of Izanami in a Famitsu scan back before the game came out. I was curious if any of the rip genies here spotted a higher quality version of this anywhere in the game?

Ah, you're a gentleman and a scholar. I'll be here finishing up Persona 4 Golden in the meantime, looking forward to it.

Excellent stuff, good Sir. But I have a request, because I'm on a Mac and my options are likely limited for color swaps. If there's any way you can get Izanami's default palette for her sprites then I'll treat it as a late Christmas present. Not sure how long it might take, but I hope you can see what you can do, thanks.

Well, over a month later and the verdict is in. The story mode just isn't as compelling without a dub. No one is really feeling like talking about it because there's not much to discuss. Hope they already are making plans for an Extend version with a full English track, because it's been quite an underwhelming experience without it.

The only issue with localization is if they censor things 4Kids style. When BlazBlue kept in Rachel calling Ragna a pedophile in CS, I knew this series wasn't trying to go down that route. Arguing localization as a reason against a dub is dumb because those references will make it in whether or not they're voiced. Try listening to a Japanese song with English lyrics. Some things are obviously gonna be changed to fit the timing and pacing, but that doesn't mean that the song itself is utterly misinterpreted as a result; that's a borderline fearmongering tactic. It also doesn't mean that people who want a dub hate the Japanese voice performances, I like quite a few actually. But like listening to Japanese music, I can only take it at face value if I can't understand what is fully being said. Even if I was fluent, it would still be no substitute for the English voices, and that is the important takeaway that anti-dub people need to understand. It's not hating the inclusion of one thing; it's hating the lack of the other.

Ugh, this is what I hate about getting news from people; they interpret it the way they want it to happen, not necessarily the way it actually went down. Hopefully the fake will get separated from the real after people go through the English translation. I'm on #nodubnobuy so I wouldn't be able to do it myself, even if I wanted to. What were some of the other fake spoilers that were said?

XBlaze had a few mistranslations but at least those were fixed quickly, and the dub often corrected the written dialogue in areas where it was wrong, and even vice versa. I think the strategy for the dub if it were to happen is to see how many people buy it up front, then offer the dub as paid DLC down the road to squeeze some money out of the #nodubnobuy people. Only problem here is that by that point it might be too late. Hell, even now it feels like the game is already dead, and considering that it was released early to try and circumvent that, it makes the situation even more frustrating.

My thing is, Noel is unapologetically nice, so it makes sense to consider that she's Saya's "good" half. This would normally lead to the conclusion that Izanami is Saya's "dark side", at least the part that interacts with Ragna/Jin. But is there anything indicating that it's a mutual relationship like Hazama/Terumi, or is Izzy just acting on all those negative emotions from Saya? I feel there are reasons to suspect one or the other, namely because while Izzy makes it clear at times that her own motivations are separate from Saya, there are some times where it sounds like its Saya talking directly, namely at the end of CP when she questions if Ragna is trying to kill them because he hates her. Either way, the payoff for this was incredible, even though I don't like the idea of Noel having an identity crisis again. Does she respond to either name after the merge?

Yeah, that scene was pretty hard to watch; even though she was totally asking for it and Saya would be okay, Izzy was freaking out in a fairly human way; reminds me of how much Voldemort was all DIE DIE DIE; then he got a taste and suddenly it wasn't so much fun anymore. I'm just glad Ragna was also able to save her some in some form as a result, and also managed to to give her a much more stable body through Noel. One thing I am wondering however, is whether or not Saya's soul was actually was in any cooperation with Izanami the entire time, like how Hazama and Terumi are in a mutual agreement. Saying things about how she won't be able to saved by Ragna and if he really hates her, how she looks down on Noel and the Murakumos or her own contempt towards Jin all sound a bit more personal than how she normally goes about doing things throughout the series, and makes me think that there really was a part of Saya that thought what Izzy was doing was right.

Good point, I remember being so confused when Izanami was said to be Amaterasu's drive; especially when she has a gameplay drive of her own. Jeez, guess naming isn't Mori's strong suit.

A quick side question about Jubei, since even Nine calls him that at this point. How did the name stick? The 6 Heroes knew him at Mitsuyoshi, but Ragna goes "you're more of a Jubei" when he's sent back in time and he decides that he rather be called that to honor Bloodedge? If Ragna's presence is gone from the world, would he even still go by that if it relies on Ragna's input?

Sorry, but I can't get behind these convictions. After discovering how the HK version and the US/UK version are basically identical aside from time of release, I'm even more appalled at the lack of effort put into this as a whole. I'm not quite getting all this concern about future localizations when this is the one that matters the most in the series at the moment. For the time being the series has concluded for Ragna's story; this is the grand finale unless otherwise stated, and even then a new title might be a few years from now. I'm not gonna play hostage to a game company; if they want to localize something here then that's their call. They can speak with their wallets just as I can do so with mine. XBlaze did fairly well considering it's the niche of the niche. I'm sure they'll be willing to take another risk. A year from now even, no one is gonna care that we got the game early. We're only gonna remember what could've been with the dub, and that's a future that I'd like to change before it happens. I'm not concerned for any future games at the moment because even so, they're not gonna be CF. CF is the game I want a dub for. The petition has hit almost 5K signatures. They're aware it exists. Any sort of positive PR about a dub would get me to buy it. A simple "dub is coming, please buy in the meantime" would be the ticket. But since ASW wants to be hardheaded, I have no choice but to do so as well. Also, in terms of sales it's still not doing too great. Combined between the PS3 and PS4 the game hasn't hit 50K in Japan. Digital sales excluded of course, but I can't imagine too many people buying the game digitally for the demo to make up for the sales. #nodubnobuy is making it worse for the localized versions, especially with a bunch of people who don't curr either way and buying the HK version early.. I've been waiting for many things in this game for quite some time. But to pay even more than what I paid for a game that did have a dub in the past titles and very little incentive to experience the story first-hand as a result is simply an appalling concept to me. My Limited Edition is on a paid off preorder. If ASW still wants to continue to act like this is a non-issue, it's gonna go right to a more deserving game.

Plus, if Trinity took the Susanno armor at the end of the story, there wouldn't be anyone to claim it in the current world.

I'm sure Bloodedge Experience 3 will show us what happened to Saya T, probably with Naoto "consuming" her.I'm almost positive Relius saw her and used her as a basis for Izanami, since he claimed to be fascinated with the way it happened, which meant he was probably there to see it.

That could be reassuring to know that he still exists in some form. If Es could be brought back from the Boundary, maybe the same could be done for Ragna?

That could be reassuring to know that he still exists in some form. If Es could be brought back from the Boundary, maybe the same could be done for Ragna?

Here's one thing that I need to know; does Rachel really not remember Ragna anymore too? According to translations she said she doesn't know whose grave this is (probably lying to Tsubakumen) and then says something about finding who it belongs to. Kinda crushing that no one else will remember him; I think everyone would be better for knowing about his sacrifice.

From what I understand, the order of Sayas go like this: Saya Terumi (5th PFD modeled after her, Relius uses her as a basis for Sayanami to ensure higher compatability for her magic levels) 5th PFD (Ragna/Jin/Saya's "parent") Sayaterasu/The Origin (girl inside the Master Unit, the one that Ragna mentions in the end) Sayanami (Ragna/Jin's sister, Izanami's vessel, contains half of Saya's memories) Noel/Mu-12 (Contains other half of Saya's memories) Nu and Lambda don't count despite being clones, Nu has become her own individual so Noel can't absorb her, whereas Lambda is a blank slate who is busy being seithr goo late in the story. Oh Lambda. The ending was the best thing that happened to you. In the end, Noel fuses with Sayanami and Mu-12 and part of The Origin to reform Ragna/Jin's sister. Think she just goes by Noel because that's what her friends know her as. Not quite sure how there is still part of The Origin Saya left for Ragna to talk to, though, hope someone will clarify anything I got wrong there.

By "our" world, does that mean BEE is indeed connected to BlazBlue, as opposed to an alternate reality? I feel like getting a specific time period would help piece things together.

Ooh, Alucard Sisters Dating Simulator. Does that mean Raquel makes an appearance as well?