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Yes, which is why shes a bad character, along with Tager Noel and Rachel. Why do people think I'm saying she's a good character?

Exactly. I'm well aware of her damage but she has no safe way of getting them. If you were to try to play Noel as safe as possible your average damage is around 1.2k. Thus, if you want to do damage you have to start guessing, fishing for random 5d/2d hits (and note that 2d is no longer an overhead). Good yomi and IBing helps with fishing for those hits, but at the end of the day, MOST of the time you're not 100% sure that it's gonna hit. That's guessing, that's bad. You could say the same for ever attack in the game (if you're not punishing someone) but throwing out Tsuba's little hand poke (5c I think?) ain't the same as throwing out Chain Revolver. Sure, there's overhead (1) and lows with Chain Revolver, but against DP characters it doesn't make a damn difference. If you fish for a hit with Chain Revolver and don't hit with the first attack, you CAN get reversaled. I don't know why so many people try to block Chain Revolver. You don't have to. Dacidbro knows, lol. I saw some video with him vs. a Noel player who swore Chain Revolver was some sort of good mixup tool. As soon as you block the first hit, mash dat Daifunka and it's free. Mash guard point. Mash counter. Mash DP. Hell, you can mash Chain Revolver against Chain Revolver. If 2d was still an overhead it would be a better (Read: still bad) mixup tool, but it's not. That's how it is.

I edited my post before you quoted, soz. But yes, I do think Tsubaki is better than Noel and Tager. Maybe not in every matchup but a better character over all. But no, I don't think she's a good character. Kinda like a lesser of two evils thing, except like, lesser of two shit characters.

IMO bottom tier goes Tsubaki Noel Tager Rachel. I don't think Tsubaki could possibly be worse than Rachel and two characters whose entire game is based on guessing. Don't get me wrong she IS terrible, she has terrible damage and weird dumb hitboxes but at least she isn't going through entire matches saying "Man I sure do hope this command grab/5d beats this attack."

lol I like how you labeled the topic title "Continuum Shift." For a second there I thought you were talking about Makoto x Ragna in Calamity Trigger. Anyways I'm thinking Ragna is gonna end up with the advantage because he does comparable damage with way more range. He can jump and throw out j.C with little fear and ID any "fakeout" bs if Makoto gets too greedy once she gets in. But if he whiffs a dp............. lol. lol no

Why is Tsubaki lower than Noel and Tager? lol

2d has startup frames where you're technically still on the ground. Happened in CT, too.

6a is a terrible, terrible AA. You'll only catch the sloppiest of jump-ins with 6a.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but wtf is up with Mu's DP? Is it really frame 1 invinci? Every time I try to IB >> DP I get CH for some reason, but it looks more like 6c is coming out. I know the timing for IB DP, but it seems like her DP won't come out in small 1-2 frame gaps.

In before AF starts crying about Mus corner loop

Aginor, 5d IS jump cancellable and special cancellable. Do 5d and try to backdash or do a normal. Jump and specials negate it's recovery.

What are you guys doing for airthrows? Max damage or steins? Also, why do some of the throw combos end in 2b 6a 2c j.c j.2c instead of 2b 6c 2c j.c j.2c? Seems like 6a would whiff if you're not right next to them.

I wonder, with all the discussion why does this never seem to get updated? (Same thing with the CT thread)

Eh? Almost all of her drives are + on block? Where is the data you're looking at btw? I still haven't seen it tbh. Furthermore there exists buffering in this game, such that an opponent can mash DP near the end of blockstun and it will come out on the first available frame.

Anyways XBL Mu players, if you have any GOOD matches you want recorded and uploaded to my Youtube, contact me via visitor message or pm. (Note: Must be uploaded to the leaderboards obviously.) Youtube link in sig. Noel and Mu vids only<3

I'm just gonna be lazy and buy the unlock. :p

Lilica is my destiny. Or maybe Petra to keep the gun girl theme.

Damn I thought this thread was gonna be terrible.

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Meh, I've always played pretty turtley and campy. I feel like a Noel on playing too much offense is a Noel doomed to failure. There's a CS tournament down here a few days after CS comes out, I'm gonna go all Noel and see if I can win. There's at least 2 Bangs, 2 Lambdas and one Hakumen all of which are good players (eg Fighting game players) but when we were practicing CS I was wrecking face. Though we were all pretty bad, I wonder what'll be like now that we'll all have practice. I really don't want to betray Noel (Hell, I just bought the new avatar DLC on XBL<3) but when you want to win why should you handicap yourself? Can't wait for 24 hours of training mode. :p That's the thing, Chain Revolver isn't a set block string, so there's nothing that will always work. You can't really know the timing to IB the next attack because there's like 15 different possibilities. Focusing too much on IBing can get you mixed up, etc etc What I normally did in CT was wait for the 2d and then 3c. Beats almost everything except for SR. It also made Assault Through whiff but idk who has frame advantage. Not sure how this would work against the faster drive in CS.

So where's the Dustloop/Meltybread/SRK for Arcana Heart? Taking all money matches against my Lilica in 10 months.