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Yes you mash drive, learn how to mixup without mashing overhead every blockstring, that only works online, stop pink grabbing. Learn the combos in training mode.

LOL If Chance doesn't 360 my 5b on reaction then he instant blocks it and 360's it. And I've played against the best Jin's on XBL, Jin clearly has an advantage, but like I said, to say that Noel/Jin is the same as Noel/Kune is a joke. Noel's BnB doesn't even work on Arakune, (except from an airthrow or the closest 3c possible)

Can't agree, 5b surprisingly unsafe. Noel kindly gets AA'd by his 2a and 2c more than any other character because she has no vertical air attacks. (not counting j.D, lol) Mashing 5b midscreen will get you 360'd from half screen. He can grab the edge the attack and it will warp you into his hand lol. 5b is not a bad attack but it's a mediocre poke. Noel was given a new 5c in CS because she is essentially a character with NO POKES. Anyways if you 5b and he sledges, you win. If you 2c and he sledges you lose. He cuts safe her buttons in half and mashes easily out of combos but can also get rushed down pretty hard if you guess right. A lot of guess but all in all he has the ability to output 10k faster than Noel can output 12k (he's 12k right?) But he's still Tager. 50/50 Personally this is an easy matchup for me because no Tager knows how to play it right. lol Not only was I not talking about Bang/Noel (I was talking about Bang/Kune) but you didn't even respond to what I said. I didn't say anything about D attacks. The above only works at extreme close range and CA is one combo. Nu has no problem keeping Noel out like the rest of the cast and has an even easier time backdashing from Noel's fake blockstrings. lol If you think Noel/Jin is on par with Noel/Ara then you have no right to tell people not to post their personal thoughts. btw no disrespect

lol Jin can't be her worst matchup when Rachel/Ara/Nu exist. But he keeps it real. 360a > 5b, don't try to simplify the matchup lol. Sledge beats all of her C and D attacks btw. Bang has two air dashes. Sounds simple, yet a game changer.

WTF Skye is black? Bro we should start a black club.

I'd say Ragna/Noel is closer to even due to his low health. Maybe 5.5/4.5 Ragna. Dunno about Litchi but getting past that stick is hard. BUT Noel does have a nice 5k off an airthrow on her. :3 Tager/Noel is even, maybe even in Tager's. Soz I've argued this too many times. Dunno much about Carl too, probably because every Carl sucks. lol vs. Nu is probably her worst matchup, she has no real blockstrings, everything can be backdashed out of. Jin/Noel is bad but nobody will every agree (especially Jin players, lmao) so I just say 5.5 Jin.

Sweet I love personal matchup bullshit Noel vs ragna 5-5 vs jin 4.5-5.5 vs tager 5-5 vs rachel 4-6 vs nu 4-6 vs carl 6-4 vs arakune 4-6 vs bang 6-4 vs taokaka 5.5-4.5 vs haku-men 5-5 vs litchi ???

CH and RCs not included. If it were a lot more stuff could be added but unfortunately we can't simply get CH whenever we want to. (Unless you're punishing something but we have better combos for that :p)

Noel rule #1 Standing opponent and 3c can never exist in the same sentence

HFA I really really wanted to come but all of my friends bailed. I LOVE YOU TUSHARRRRRRRRRRRR

Please don't misinterpret me, I simply thought it would be a better way to respond to your longer post.

I'll respond to parts directly. Surely you're not talking about hit confirming a single 5a? I'm going to assume you're talking about doing a single 5a and then hitconfirming the following hits. Are you suggesting throwing on 3c in this matchup to predict a jab? Sorry, I can't agree with this. Can't agree, if you're attempting any 5a dash 5a shenanigans I'd say prepare to get 360'd. True, but Tager and Hakumen fall differently than other characters and the distance is shorter. Bang also falls differently but this is to Noel's advantage because his fall is VERY horizontal. I was exaggerating a bit, nobody caught that. <_< This must be hitconfirmed. One 5a 6a 6c is possible but hitconfirming 6a 6c (bc) is impossible (because you need to cancel the 6c with bc quickly). Note that if you 6c (bc) without hitconfirming you can get 360'd. Pitiful damage for 50 meter. Respectable option with knockdown though. His j.2c is the literal anti-anti-air for 6c. Actually you can 22c 6c 22c 66c j.C for more than 4k. Again, I can't agree that things like 5a 6a 6c or 6c are confirmable. You can choose to 6c (bc) regardless of hitconfirm because many players don't know this is punishable but, it is. Still can't agree. Oki's good but committing to attacks on his wakeup is very much asking to get 360'd or backdash 360'd. The distance that Noel must be to attack him his undeniably the closest in the game. All in all I think he has the ability to punish you for DOING attacks rather than punishing you after blocking your attacks, and with this can output way more damage than Noel can. I'd say they are both pretty equally unsafe, but Tager has the health and the damage output to make up for mashing unsafe things. Such that if we get a successful 2b CH, we get a nice 2.2k with 50 meter, whereas if he gets a 2c 2b sledge etc ch he will easily break 3.5-5k meter or not. I have no trouble with Tager players, this is a very easy personal matchup for me. Note that my spacebar is broken so I apologize if my post is a bit lacking indepth explanations.

Bro I used to run a really big forum on phpBB. My god I hated upgrading shit, it NEVER goes smoothly. Good luck! Also I hope the BB style comes back, or at least another dark black/blue style.

We're talking about CT yes, of course. I was not talking about ch 5b 3c, though.

For someone not in the mood to continue discussion you sure do keep coming back to this thread. I'd advise you to stay on topic, thanks.

lol So you don't care about specific conditions when coming up with your argument? I'm glad to see that you think the same thing happens the same way every single time. I would also like to thank you for confirming that your arguments are baseless, seeing as how you don't "play or care" about CT. EDIT: And I apologize, but yes I can be quite hostile to people who don't know what they're talking about. Sorry.

I'm so sad. See you guys at EVO 2k11.

First combo is 2k and air combo leaves you at a disadvantageous position. Second combo only works after one 5a, good luck hit confirming. I like how you're trying to tell me combos for my own character. I also like how a lot of people don't know any specifics of the match up, such as the fact that Tager falls differently after 22c then every other character in the game, so if your 3c isnt' RIGHT NEXT TO HIM then the 66c will not connect.

Man I wish this would get a NA release. I loved the original SnR.

You say that as if Noel's damage output without C and D is any higher than 1.5k.

Nope, don't believe so. I also have no problem with Tager players. Reasoning in the Noel thread.

It's looking more and more unlikely that I won't be able to go. All of my friends from Florida have bailed on me and like hell I'm going to Vegas alone. <_< sigh

Match up is not in Noel's favor in CT, sorry.