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Ok with Tager, I realized you need two things in this match-up. 1. Her rods and 2. 6b With 6b nerfed Tager can B sledge all day without worrying about getting countered easily. Not really. Rachel can use her rods as traps to prevent Tager from getting to her. At the start of the match, pay attention to what Tager does. If he... 1. Sledges, use 6b>236A to lay your first rod. 2. Does nothing and starts walking back and forth(probably waiting for you to do something) do either of the following A) Start giving pressure. If he blocks, end your blockstring with 236A. If it hits do her standard BnB or B) Back away and start zoning Here is when your 6b and your lighting rods come in handy. If you start zoning Tager will use B sledge eventually. If you have rods placed between you and Tager, use 6b. If placed right, he should stop right next to one of your rods and on reaction do sword iris and it will hit. Once it hits do her standard air combo. Once he recovers in the air, land and lay down another rod, use 236A, if he uses j.2b, you'll recover in time and just IB the attack and punish. Once he lands start placing rods between you and Tager again. If he tries to B sledge again, repeat what you did from above, if you have meter, use BBL or TD(must be lvl.3 or lvl.4 for it to be worth it). Tager should not sledge at you if there are rods surrounding him or between you and him. Once the Tager player realized this strategy, he will stop B sledging. Tager will either do the following.... 1. Jump at you. If he does, your 6a and j.C will beat his j.a, j.b, j.2b, j.c. 6a will sometimes trade with his j.d though. 2. Waits for you to do a move. If this happens, go ahead and give pressure or align your lightning rods. Hopefully with this strategy it will make Rachel vs Tager match-up a little easier for you. Good luck. I will update if there is more to this strategy.

Well let's see. 6b can be canceled to, 236a, lighting when near a pole, BBL when near a pole (about 2.4k with one pole) adding 6c with wind will make it probably 3k, a starter if Rachel is close enough due to Tager's large hitbox, or Tempest Delilah, but it has to be lvl.3 or 4 to make it worth it(about 2.5k with a lvl.4 TD don't know about lvl.3) adding 6c with wind will make it around 3k.

Rachel vs Tager match-up in my opinion is 5.5-4.5 Tagers favor.

Do you guys think that Makoto is Rachel's only good match-up in this game.....or is it just me?

Since there is no match-up forum for these characters, I'll ask here. What can Jin do against Mu-12 and Makoto.

When cursed, all you need to do is watch Arakune. None of his bugs are overheads, so you can pretty much block in any direction. Just barrier block the D bug when its going upward.

What can Jin do against Hazama. There's no match-up forum for Hazama so I'm gonna ask here.

I believe Rachel can zone Makoto pretty easily. Her projectile can't reach Rachel at full screen. (Someone has to test this out though, because I don't have Makoto).

What is the best move to punish random sledges.

Anyone know some good combos off a 5cc fatal counter?

What can you guys say about Rachel vs Arakune and Hazama?

If your frustrated by losing, my advice is to... 1. Stop playing 2. Take a break, go outside and get some fresh air. 3. Take a nap. 4. Listen to music that you like. I recommend classical music or jazz music. It can ease your nerves and calm you down. Try Chuck Mangione, Cyndi Lauper(recommend True Colors) or others.

Wow nice angel beats stick. I like the Kanade art.

Hate to break it to you, but that video is old. It came out at like, I don't know, around mid January. Most people one the Rachel forums know about this already. __________________ Sticking with all the way in CS

Weird, on another teir list I read a couple weeks ago that Rachel had another even match-up with another character(forgot which one). I also heard her match-up against Hazama was 5.5-4.5 her favor, but then again, I never played CS so I don't know anything. __________________ Sticking with all the way in CS.

I think I'm a little late on this, but can someone post info on Hazama frame data. __________________ BB main: Sub:

Guys I think 6B still has some uses, well, if your near a poll. Since 6B can cancel into specials, you can use 214C if 6B is a counter hit and your opponent is near a poll. Sword Iris should be fast enough to hit the opponent so I believe it should work(I think ). I can think of a one combo if it works. I don't know if this of these will work since I never played the game. 6B(CH)>214C>5B>JC>j.B>j.A>j.B>j.C>JC>j.C>j.236A It works for Baden Baden Lily as well. 6B(CH)>632146C>5B>JC>j.B>j.A>j.B>j.C>JC>j.236A If this works guys, we finally have a use for 6B. Its still crappy, but hey its better than nothing. If it does work, try other combos as well for those people that have CS near them.

Just to get this out of the way, can't she use specials after 6B. Because after a 6B counter, she can do 214B. You can do 6B(CH)>214B>5D>5B>5cdc if it works. For those who have an arcade with CS just try it anyway. I know both were nerfed, but its still possible. I'm doing what I can do to help Rachel players, not to mention I'm a Rachel player myself. __________________ BB main: Subs:

I'm not giving up on her just yet. Its only been 12 days since CS came out, so we'll figure out something sooner or later. If there was a local arcade where I live, I would try ANYTHING and see if Rachel still has some gimmicks. Heck I'll even wait for the console release. If nobody can find anything even after console release or if Ark System Works doesn't change anything, I'll consider her unplayable. __________________ BB mains: Subs: *expected to change in CS*

Just how much damage TD does exactly Tari?

If it was me playing, I wouldn't mind using it even if I couldn't get the 4 wind kind. I'll take whatever damage it does. I can think this combo also works: 2C(CH)>2D>5cc>632146B. Since 5cc causes a wallbounce when it hits in the air, hopefully it should work.

One more thing, can you try the following combo 5B>5cdc>632146B(I think thats her new DD). It worked for CT when you use Baden Baden Lily(excuse my spelling if its spelled wrong). __________________ BB main: Subs:

Ok screw what I said in the last post. Now this is just a theory I made up so I might be wrong. If you can cancel into specials on the ground after j.2C, she can have a possible mix-up. You guys might think I'm crazy but just keep reading. If their is a rod placed right next to your opponent and you use 5B>j.2C, she can cancel it to 214C if it hits or the opponent blocks. If it hits, Rachel can combo into her air combo. If your opponent blocks, Rachel can do a mix-up. AGAIN, I'm not sure if this works and I may be wrong since I never played CS, but if Rachel can cancel into specials after j.2C on the ground like you guys said, it is possible.