Dacidbro

Dude people on both coasts were waiting for the results of me and 10star's match. Who are you, eh? :]

Good call. Right now this money match is a joke, need your help to make it hype.

99% for me? Man, where is all that confidence coming from? I didn't even see you win a match man

If you really need cash for your stick, make it quadruple. I have extra money to throw away.

Fuck, missing tushar too?? :c You doing anything Saturday man?

No it's cool shine everyone gets scared sometimes If you really meant to play it out, how about we quadruple it for EVO or next time we see each other?

Yeah people are still trying to figure out how to pick up the aerial guard break. SOME people have it down, but a lot of people are still at "what happened?" I agree fully with your comment about the primers, the characters that need them the most don't have them, and the ones that don't do. Me getting guard broken happens once every never, assuming I don't defensive burst, and if I DO defensive burst, even twice, they still have to be wizardly in their primer breakings. Bang's too mobile/too guard pointy to get stuck.

You'd think Shine saw a gang member with how fast he ducked out of his MM last week real talk

Well, no. You should see me playing BB man, it's like.. *5A* That's a kill *5A* THAT'S a kill *5A* THATS A KILL

Everything I've ever known is a lie

You know, Irrsinn, unless you've bursted twice with a 4 primer character, it's usually incredibly easy to avoid. And even if you do get crushed, their combo auto prorates 80% even if they successfully capitalize, which is also shockingly rare.

You are, as always, a hero among very, very small men. As always, I have a lot of respect for your consistently positive attitude even while using the worst character in the game.

Makes sense Fall off the map like even if you screw up your punish, Bang is sharply disadvantaged and has to either block or try to run away. Also, if he has meter, pay attention for a rapid on the fire punch, as that's another way you could get the shaft for punishing it. Oh. Yeah, I meant I don't know much about Jin, so it's hard to help, so I'll give you guys all my Bang info at the very least. PS Render you are the only person I am NEVER correct on my ragedar, concerning. Whenever I think everything's good, you're actually pissed, or when I think you're angry, you're jolly xD PSS, Friday, lets test out the 5B > 5C shit, yeah? I think I might know why we are disagreeing, 5C has 8 frames of activity (2 and a half times more than most moves), and goes from high to low over the 8. This might mean you will successfully 2A mash out if Bang is NOT close, but get raped for it if he is. Worst case scenario you get raped no matter what (lol), best case you can mash out no matter what, MOST LIKELY, it depends on distance. The reason I am inherently skeptical is not only my personal practices; 5B has 15 frames of blockstun, so when you gatling it straight to 18 frame startup 5C, that gives you only 3 frames of "do stuff", even if you hit the very first frame (which is unlikely). BUT, if you really can gimp it out by low profiling it a bit, you may get that extra few frames. But no matter what this is a SERIOUSLY tight spot, and you might only best case trade. Worth noting also, if you IB his 5B, and it's the type of Bang to always gatling to 5C or 6A, your mash out is free as hell. However, if you IB the 5B and he gatlings straight to 2B, you probably frame trapped yourself, as you only have 2 frames to do things. So be careful with that, 2B is his most high damage ground starter, and is a VERY common follower to 5B.

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Don't let Dacidbro's warnings about 2A vs Bang's 5C scare you. In just about every case, 2A does just fine against it and there's plenty of time to stick it out after Bang's 5B. Plus, if you keep poking Bang out of his 5C, he's not going to do it as often cuz he knows it's pointless. Hey dude if you can show me that works that's great, my personal experience has been 5B > 5C rapes mashing. I get jabbed out of 5A > 5C and 2A > 5C all the time, but literally almost never on 5B > 5C, barring IB. If you know more about this than me, that's great, that's why I wanted you in here. Lol. The difference is that you should be doing the 2A AFTER YOU SEE BANG'S 5C COMING OUT. DO NOT try to beat out Bang's moves with your own based on a hunch. You will lose. That applies to the entire matchup. Good advice Also, instant blocking the 3C and trying to beat out the fire punch is not worth the risk. If Bang decides NOT to do the fire punch because he saw you IB, you're screwed. Just be content with the IB, and IB the fire punch if it comes out (THEN you can punish - but the window is SUPER small). Safest route is to IB both and GTFO of there. Just clarification, it's Bang's 2C, not 3C; but I completely, fully agree. IB > punish on the fire punch is a lot simpler if Bang has no meter, as he's forced to try to fall off the map somehow. If he has meter, you might eat an ashura for trying, but honestly I wouldn't let that hinder you from at least approaching (maybe empty jump forward and control space?) Also lol at rageout 'stop' post. I said 'much', not 'at all'. I know infinitely more about Bang than most people in this thread, and that will help you.

I can't make it to this now, busy all Sunday. tears

I'd try to get there both days if you'd be there ^_^

Mashing is so strong because people in America use stupid block strings. Make a fix, readjust your offense. There are a near infinite number of frame traps to abuse, the world is your oyster. Watch how Japan shuts it down and do the same, if your opponent is auto-pilot mashing they should get destroyed, especially with a 5 frame non invincible move.

Careful with it, it doesn't really recover fast enough for your best options, IIRC

Yeah, but lets keep it out of our match up chart thread. It's a stupid place for it. This is where we should discuss the frame data, discuss meter gain, damage output, the things that are un-debatable and easily classifiable. You can make a great case for Litchi being one of the best characters when you say "Off of any random hit, it is particularly rare for Litchi to not exceed 3000 damage, gain 40+ meter and end up on corner oki with the option of super. Her damage ceiling, even without meter, is 5k-6k, and her physical spacing with disjointed hitboxes is amazing, abare amazing, mix up pretty good and often invisible"

Shinso, you haven't played a good one. Im just gonna leave it there.